Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[EMH]

You think 2.2/3.2 (68.75%) to 4/5 (80%) of the air from the Jurassic period is now trapped in ice?

Well, there is the air in the atmosphere now, and there is air trapped in the ice now, and Jurassic went to 3-5 times today's SAP, so, your estimates aren't something I have a problem with, no. That's the data as we have it now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, there is the air in the atmosphere now, and there is air trapped in the ice now, and Jurassic went to 3-5 times today's SAP, so, your estimates aren't something I have a problem with, no. That's the data as we have it now.

All you need to do is calculate the mass of air trapped in the ice and compare it to the mass of the atmosphere.

 

[ding]

Post 271

Incorrect.

The equation for calculating atmospheric pressure at a given altitude is typically represented as P = P₀ * e^(-Mgh/RT), where P is the pressure at a given altitude, P₀ is the pressure at sea level, M is the molar mass of air, g is the acceleration due to gravity, h is the altitude, R is the ideal gas constant, and T is the temperature at that altitude; this is often called the "barometric formula" or "hydrostatic equation" for atmospheric pressure.

 

[EMH]

All you need to do is calculate the mass of air trapped in the ice and compare it to the mass of the atmosphere.

You make it sound so easy...

How do you measure the mass of the air if it is no longer "air...?"

• Ice layers
  Ice from 400–900 meters deep contains many compressed air bubbles, but the bubbles disappear completely by 1100 meters. This is likely due to gas molecules diffusing into the ice lattice

This is not even one mile down. Antarctic ice goes 2.5 miles down , so how much "air" is "diffused" in the ice 1-2.5 miles down??

Answer = when it all melts and all that gas is released back into atmosphere, the planet warms, in part because it has a bigger thicker atmosphere and much less or no ice, and that combined with the increase in gas produces 3-5 times current SAP.

How that breaks down...
How much gas is that...
What is the mass of the ice minus the gas...
Where is the SAP data from southern hemisphere...

 

[EMH]

The equation for calculating atmospheric pressure at a given altitude is typically represented as P = P₀ * e^(-Mgh/RT), where P is the pressure at a given altitude, P₀ is the pressure at sea level, M is the molar mass of air, g is the acceleration due to gravity, h is the altitude, R is the ideal gas constant, and T is the temperature at that altitude; this is often called the "barometric formula" or "hydrostatic equation" for atmospheric pressure

where P is the pressure at height h, P₀ is the pressure at sea level, M is the molar mass of the air, g is the acceleration due to gravity, R is the universal gas constant, and T is the temperature. In this formula, the exponential term e^(-Mgh/RT) represents the decrease in pressure with increasing altitude or height.



OK, but we are much more interested in P-zero, the pressure at sea level, and how to calculate that...

That's what 271 tries to get at...


What is the calculation for P-zero?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You make it sound so easy...

How do you measure the mass of the air if it is no longer "air...?"




This is not even one mile down. Antarctic ice goes 2.5 miles down , so how much "air" is "diffused" in the ice 1-2.5 miles down??

Answer = when it all melts and all that gas is released back into atmosphere, the planet warms, in part because it has a bigger thicker atmosphere and much less or no ice, and that combined with the increase in gas produces 3-5 times current SAP.

How that breaks down...
How much gas is that...
What is the mass of the ice minus the gas...
Where is the SAP data from southern hemisphere...

You make it sound so easy...

You make a huge claim that I've never heard anywhere else, but you shouldn't have
to provide the evidence, because it's difficult to find?

How do you measure the mass of the air if it is no longer "air...?"

You said it's 10%, how can you know that and then say you're unable to measure its mass?

Answer = when it all melts and all that gas is released back into atmosphere, the planet warms, in part because it has a bigger thicker atmosphere

A bigger mass that is "diluted a bit by a 20-30F temp increase"

What is the formula to calculate "mass dilution by increasing temperature"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

where P is the pressure at height h, P₀ is the pressure at sea level, M is the molar mass of the air, g is the acceleration due to gravity, R is the universal gas constant, and T is the temperature. In this formula, the exponential term e^(-Mgh/RT) represents the decrease in pressure with increasing altitude or height.



OK, but we are much more interested in P-zero, the pressure at sea level, and how to calculate that...

That's what 271 tries to get at...


What is the calculation for P-zero?

and T is the temperature

Interesting. When you increase T, what happens to P₀

 

[ding]

where P is the pressure at height h, P₀ is the pressure at sea level, M is the molar mass of the air, g is the acceleration due to gravity, R is the universal gas constant, and T is the temperature. In this formula, the exponential term e^(-Mgh/RT) represents the decrease in pressure with increasing altitude or height.



OK, but we are much more interested in P-zero, the pressure at sea level, and how to calculate that...

That's what 271 tries to get at...


What is the calculation for P-zero?

Pmsl= average atmospheric pressure gradient in psi/ft times the atmospheric column height in ft.

 

[EMH]

then say you're unable to measure its mass?

IT never was about that. It was about explaining Jurassic.

What is the formula to calculate "mass dilution by increasing temperature"?

Rather, explaining 3-5 times SAP. Massive increase in gas plus a temp increase. Remember, Mars proves SAP is correlated with temperature...

LOL!!!

 

[EMH]

and T is the temperature

Interesting. When you increase T, what happens to P₀

According to Mars, Pluto, and Jurassic, Pzero is correlated with temperature.

 

[ding]

According to Mars, Pluto, and Jurassic, Pzero is correlated with temperature.

For a given composition. Composition and gravitational acceleration are the main drivers in calculating atmospheric pressure. Temperature is an adjustment.

 

[EMH]

For a given composition. Composition and gravitational acceleration are the main drivers in calculating atmospheric pressure. Temperature is an adjustment.

But SAP is correlated with temperature, and the skateboard on Mars proves it.

And that's all we need.

Co2 FRAUD claims warming and net ongoing ice melt. Both of those should push SAP higher. But SAP on Earth has been going down for the past 70 years....


and that's a BUST.

Earth is NOT WARMING
Earth is NOT EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

There is NO REASON to curtail Co2. Everyone who says otherwise is a treasonous liar....

 

[ding]

But SAP is correlated with temperature, and the skateboard on Mars proves it.

And that's all we need.

Co2 FRAUD claims warming and net ongoing ice melt. Both of those should push SAP higher. But SAP on Earth has been going down for the past 70 years....


and that's a BUST.

Earth is NOT WARMING
Earth is NOT EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

There is NO REASON to curtail Co2. Everyone who says otherwise is a treasonous liar....

Composition and gravitational acceleration are the main factors in calculating atmospheric pressure. Temperature is an adjustment.

And your logic is flawed. The oceans and the atmosphere are warming and it is quite natural and unrelated to increased atmospheric CO2.

 

[EMH]

The oceans and the atmosphere are warming

FUDGED FRAUD and outed a million times here for being so.

it is quite natural

Ding's entire climate philosophy is

WATER causes ICE



Which is absurd because water is not cold enough to do so....

Ding is a "faux skeptic" and you the American taxpayer pay her to post that crap all day every day to obscure the truth she cannot refute...

 

[ding]

FUDGED FRAUD and outed a million times here for being so.






Ding's entire climate philosophy is

WATER causes ICE



Which is absurd because water is not cold enough to do so....

Ding is a "faux skeptic" and you the American taxpayer pay her to post that crap all day every day to obscure the truth she cannot refute...

Hard data, dummy.

 

[EMH]

Hard data, dummy.

Liar, you are, a taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD liar.... who has been shown the truth over and over, that the atmospheric temp readings, the ACTUAL HARD DATA, showed NO WARMING IN THE ATMOSPHERE, and then your side FUDGED it in 2005 with laughable bullshit you have had 50 chances to dispute and always CHICKENED OUT FROM DOING SO....

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling



Theory - increasing atmospheric Co2 warms atmosphere

DATA - nope

THEORY REJECTED

except if you are a Zionist Fascist homo taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD "faux skeptic" because you lose your job if the truth comes out, and hopefully a lot more than just your "job..."

 

[ding]

Liar, you are, a taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD liar.... who has been shown the truth over and over, that the atmospheric temp readings, the ACTUAL HARD DATA, showed NO WARMING IN THE ATMOSPHERE, and then your side FUDGED it in 2005 with laughable bullshit you have had 50 chances to dispute and always CHICKENED OUT FROM DOING SO....

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling



Theory - increasing atmospheric Co2 warms atmosphere

DATA - nope

THEORY REJECTED

except if you are a Zionist Fascist homo taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD "faux skeptic" because you lose your job if the truth comes out, and hopefully a lot more than just your "job..."

 

[EMH]

Above is what happens when we allow taxpayer funded liars to claim Oxygen isotopes from one ice core in Antarctica = "Earth temperature"


They can never explain those spikes downward. They are when the tectonically active Antarctic Peninsula has a big eruption, which alters the O isotope ratio, and the Co2 FRAUD reads that UP SIDE DOWN.... ooops....

 

[ding]

Above is what happens when we allow taxpayer funded liars to claim Oxygen isotopes from one ice core in Antarctica = "Earth temperature"


They can never explain those spikes downward. They are when the tectonically active Antarctic Peninsula has a big eruption, which alters the O isotope ratio, and the Co2 FRAUD reads that UP SIDE DOWN.... ooops....

No one dispute the temperature record of the planet but you. You're a loon.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

IT never was about that. It was about explaining Jurassic.






Rather, explaining 3-5 times SAP. Massive increase in gas plus a temp increase. Remember, Mars proves SAP is correlated with temperature...

LOL!!!

IT never was about that. It was about explaining Jurassic.

You claim there is 2-4 times as much air in the ice as in the current atmosphere.
You claim ice is 10% air.

Use that second claim, with some actual measurements, to support your first.

Rather, explaining 3-5 times SAP. Massive increase in gas plus a temp increase.

If that's the case, why did you say "diluted a bit" instead of magnified or multiplied?