Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[EMH]

Let's summarize one more time...

The argument is about surface air pressure SAP. We know that in a rigid container temperature is correlated with pressure. A planet's atmosphere is different. It is rigid on one side and force (gravity) constrained on the other.

The "official definition" of SAP is

Surface air pressure is the force that air exerts on the Earth's surface due to gravity


with no mention of temperature at all. EMH challenged that. EMH postulated that SAP is correlated with temperature.


Ding and Toddster responded....

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In the Northern Hemisphere, surface air pressure is generally higher in the winter than in the summer... by about 1%


So EMH was "wrong." Well, not so fast...

There is another explanation of why Earth SAP is higher during northern hemisphere winter...

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In the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is closer to the Sun during winter (perihelion) than in summer (aphelion), meaning the distance between Earth and the Sun is smaller in winter than in summer

The Sun is about 95 million miles away in summer, but just 92 million in winter and this is because Earth's orbit is elliptical, with Earth following the closer part of its path during the northern winter.




So maybe Surface Air Pressure has something to do with distance from Sun = temperature


What about Mars? Mars has a much more elliptical orbit than Earth...

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and there you have it. Yes, indeed, SAP is correlated with distance from Sun = temperature.


The stated definition of SAP is wrong. EMH is right. Mars proves it.



And then what about Earth. If SAP and temperature are correlated, and higher temperature means more ice is melting, releasing more gas into atmosphere, then surely Earth SAP is going up, because Co2 FRAUD claims Earth is warming and experiencing a net ice melt...


But that is not the case...

Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.​

Earth SAP is on a 70 year slight down trend.

Surface Air Pressure proves Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

 

[ding]

Let's summarize one more time...

The argument is about surface air pressure SAP. We know that in a rigid container temperature is correlated with pressure. A planet's atmosphere is different. It is rigid on one since and force (gravity) constrained on the other.

The "official definition" of SAP is

Surface air pressure is the force that air exerts on the Earth's surface due to gravity


with no mention of temperature at all. EMH challenged that. EMH postulated that SAP is correlated with temperature.


Ding and Toddster responded....

Google Search

www.google.com

In the Northern Hemisphere, surface air pressure is generally higher in the winter than in the summer... by about 1%


So EMH was "wrong." Well, not so fast...

There is another explanation of why Earth SAP is higher during northern hemisphere winter...

Google Search

www.google.com

In the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is closer to the Sun during winter (perihelion) than in summer (aphelion), meaning the distance between Earth and the Sun is smaller in winter than in summer

The Sun is about 95 million miles away in summer, but just 92 million in winter and this is because Earth's orbit is elliptical, with Earth following the closer part of its path during the northern winter.




So maybe Surface Air Pressure has something to do with distance from Sun = temperature


What about Mars? Mars has a much more elliptical orbit than Earth...

mars surface air pressure - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

and there you have it. Yes, indeed, SAP is correlated with distance from Sun = temperature.


The stated definition of SAP is wrong. EMH is right. Mars proves it.



And then what about Earth. If SAP and temperature are correlated, and higher temperature means more ice is melting, releasing more gas into atmosphere, then surely Earth SAP is going up, because Co2 FRAUD claims Earth is warming and experiencing a net ice melt...


But that is not the case...

Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.​

Earth SAP is on a 70 year slight down trend.

Surface Air Pressure proves Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

Summarizing looks like this, dummy....

Atmospheric pressure is a function of gas density. Gas density is a function of gas composition and temperature. The warmer and wetter the air the lower the atmospheric pressure. The colder and drier the air the higher the atmospheric pressure.

 

[EMH]

Summarizing looks like this, dummy....

Atmospheric pressure is a function of gas density. Gas density is a function of gas composition and temperature. The warmer and wetter the air the lower the atmospheric pressure. The colder and drier the air the higher the atmospheric pressure.

Mars completely refutes that. Mars documents higher temperature = higher SAP.

Pluto and Jurassic also refute it.

SAP on Earth is higher during winter in northern hemisphere because Earth is closer to Sun.

 

[ding]

Mars completely refutes that.

No. It doesn't. That you believe it does shows how dumb you are.

 

[ding]

Pluto and Jurassic also refute it.

Nope. Quit sniffing glue. It's destroying your brain cells.

 

[EMH]

No. It doesn't. That you believe it does shows how dumb you are.

Explain the Mars surface air pressure, which closely correlates with Mars distance to Sun...

Mars SAP tracks Mars temperature which is dictated by distance to Sun.

Co2 FRAUD BUSTED

 

[ding]

Surface Air Pressure proves Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

That's even dumber than your statue of liberty logic.

 

[ding]

Explain the Mars surface air pressure, which closely correlates with Mars distance to Sun...

Mars SAP tracks Mars temperature which is dictated by distance to Sun.

Co2 FRAUD BUSTED

Show me the equation for calculating atmospheric pressure. There's no "distance to the sun" variable in it at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

3 pages of this crap...

The data from the northern hemisphere, cited by you and Ding over and over, is that there is roughly a 1% increase in surface air pressure in winter relative to summer.

EMH responded by noticing that during winter in northern hemisphere, Earth is close to 3 million miles closer to Sun than summer....


and now you want that repeated over and over, since you cannot answer WHY Earth SAP would not rise when closer to Sun while Mars and Pluto SAP do...

The data from the northern hemisphere, cited by you and Ding over and over, is that there is roughly a 1% increase in surface air pressure in winter relative to summer.

Of course, the entire Earth doesn't have winter at the same time.

EMH should find evidence that supports his claim, so that I stop mocking his failures.

Keep trying. Keep failing. I'll keep laughing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's summarize one more time...

The argument is about surface air pressure SAP. We know that in a rigid container temperature is correlated with pressure. A planet's atmosphere is different. It is rigid on one side and force (gravity) constrained on the other.

The "official definition" of SAP is

Surface air pressure is the force that air exerts on the Earth's surface due to gravity


with no mention of temperature at all. EMH challenged that. EMH postulated that SAP is correlated with temperature.


Ding and Toddster responded....

Google Search

www.google.com

In the Northern Hemisphere, surface air pressure is generally higher in the winter than in the summer... by about 1%


So EMH was "wrong." Well, not so fast...

There is another explanation of why Earth SAP is higher during northern hemisphere winter...

Google Search

www.google.com

In the Northern Hemisphere, Earth is closer to the Sun during winter (perihelion) than in summer (aphelion), meaning the distance between Earth and the Sun is smaller in winter than in summer

The Sun is about 95 million miles away in summer, but just 92 million in winter and this is because Earth's orbit is elliptical, with Earth following the closer part of its path during the northern winter.




So maybe Surface Air Pressure has something to do with distance from Sun = temperature


What about Mars? Mars has a much more elliptical orbit than Earth...

mars surface air pressure - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

and there you have it. Yes, indeed, SAP is correlated with distance from Sun = temperature.


The stated definition of SAP is wrong. EMH is right. Mars proves it.



And then what about Earth. If SAP and temperature are correlated, and higher temperature means more ice is melting, releasing more gas into atmosphere, then surely Earth SAP is going up, because Co2 FRAUD claims Earth is warming and experiencing a net ice melt...


But that is not the case...

Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.​

Earth SAP is on a 70 year slight down trend.

Surface Air Pressure proves Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

There is another explanation of why Earth SAP is higher during northern hemisphere winter...

Isn't Earth SAP also higher during southern hemisphere winter?

 

[EMH]

Show me the equation for calculating atmospheric pressure. There's no "distance to the sun" variable in it at all.

Mars proves that definition is wrong.

Correct definition = (mass of gas column above pulled down by force of gravity) x (a planet atmosphere coefficient) x (temperature, likely scaled to specific gas, on Mars Co2, on Pluto N, on Earth a giant mess of derivates for each specific gas)


Once again, the so called "skeptics" resort to all sorts of spazzing and lying and refusing to acknowledge the documented truth of this thread, that

SURFACE AIR PRESSURE PROVES EARTH IS NEITHER WARMING NOR EXPERIENCING A NET ONGOING ICE MELT

 

[ding]

Mars proves that definition is wrong.

Correct definition = (mass of gas column above pulled down by force of gravity) x (a planet atmosphere coefficient) x (temperature, likely scaled to specific gas, on Mars Co2, on Pluto N, on Earth a giant mess of derivates for each specific gas)


Once again, the so called "skeptics" resort to all sorts of spazzing and lying and refusing to acknowledge the documented truth of this thread, that

SURFACE AIR PRESSURE PROVES EARTH IS NEITHER WARMING NOR EXPERIENCING A NET ONGOING ICE MELT

I didn't see distance to the sun in that equation. I only saw what I was talking about , dummy.

 

[EMH]

I didn't see distance to the sun in that equation. I only saw what I was talking about , dummy.

So you think Mars SAP has nothing to do with its distance to Sun??

LOL!!!

Tracks it perfectly. Two close points, two longer arcs, one very long, the other short, but further away than the twin shortest points...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you think Mars SAP has nothing to do with its distance to Sun??

LOL!!!

Tracks it perfectly. Two close points, two longer arcs, one very long, the other short, but further away than the twin shortest points...

Mars SAP has something to do with CO2 turning from solid to gas or gas to solid.

 

[EMH]

Mars SAP has something to do with CO2 turning from solid to gas or gas to solid.

Indeed it does, reportedly deep into the very long arc of the ellipse.

And there is that painful correlation again

warming = more ice melt = more gas released

cooling = less ice melt, more freeze = less gas released, actually gas subtracted out of atmosphere


So no matter how you spin it, if Earth is warming and experiencing a net ongoing ice melt, SAP should be rising.

It isn't.

Any explanation???


Co2 FRAUD busted yet again!!!

 

[ding]

So you think Mars SAP has nothing to do with its distance to Sun??

LOL!!!

Tracks it perfectly. Two close points, two longer arcs, one very long, the other short, but further away than the twin shortest points...

I think you are an idiot making fringe arguments to ignore the self evident reality that atmospheric pressure is based upon gas density.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Indeed it does, reportedly deep into the very long arc of the ellipse.

And there is that painful correlation again

warming = more ice melt = more gas released

cooling = less ice melt, more freeze = less gas released, actually gas subtracted out of atmosphere


So no matter how you spin it, if Earth is warming and experiencing a net ongoing ice melt, SAP should be rising.

It isn't.

Any explanation???


Co2 FRAUD busted yet again!!!

warming = more ice melt = more gas released

How much is released? You've claimed that if it all melted, SAP would rise to 3-5 bar.

You have zero support for that claim.

if Earth is warming and experiencing a net ongoing ice melt, SAP should be rising.

Except warming lowers SAP.

 

[EMH]

This is where we are here. The two chosen taxpayer funded faux "skeptics" lying their asses off.

The data speaks for itself.

Mars proves SAP is correlated with distance to Sun. Distance to Sun is correlated with temperature.

Their entire narrative about northern hemisphere winter is blown away by that fact.


Indeed, just the correlation between temperature and SAP needs to be documented, the actual equation is not needed for the proof, that Co2 FRAUD is complete FRAUD.


The skateboard on Mars proves that beyond reasonable doubt. So does Pluto. So does warmer and higher SAP Jurassic, and they have no past period that refutes the correlation.


The Co2 FRAUD claims Earth is warming and there is an ongoing net ice melt. If so, SAP should be rising on both counts. Instead, SAP has been falling the past 7 decades, proving the Co2 FRAUD is complete bullshit and that Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is where we are here. The two chosen taxpayer funded faux "skeptics" lying their asses off.

The data speaks for itself.

Mars proves SAP is correlated with distance to Sun. Distance to Sun is correlated with temperature.

Their entire narrative about northern hemisphere winter is blown away by that fact.


Indeed, just the correlation between temperature and SAP needs to be documented, the actual equation is not needed for the proof, that Co2 FRAUD is complete FRAUD.


The skateboard on Mars proves that beyond reasonable doubt. So does Pluto. So does warmer and higher SAP Jurassic, and they have no past period that refutes the correlation.


The Co2 FRAUD claims Earth is warming and there is an ongoing net ice melt. If so, SAP should be rising on both counts. Instead, SAP has been falling the past 7 decades, proving the Co2 FRAUD is complete bullshit and that Earth is neither warming nor experiencing an ongoing net ice melt.

Mars proves SAP is correlated with distance to Sun. Distance to Sun is correlated with temperature.

Why does Mars, with Co2 freezing and sublimating, have the tiniest thing to do with the
decline of SAP on Earth in the last 60 or so years?

Their entire narrative about northern hemisphere winter is blown away by that fact.

Still looking for evidence that worldwide SAP drops when the Earth is closer to the Sun?

You never explained the mechanism. Try now.

 

[EMH]

Still looking for evidence that worldwide SAP drops when the Earth is closer to the Sun?

No, you are, Mars already proves it rises...