Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, Pluto and Mars prove SAP/temp/distance from Sun correlation and hence completely refute all your BS that cooling increases SAP, which is wrong, and the "definition" of SAP which excludes temps, which is also wrong.

And you are left defending the laughable position that


cooling causes ice melt
warming causes freezing


which is right up there with Ding claiming water causes ice...


Can you at least notice that ice melt and warming are both in the "same direction....?"

LOL!!!

Which is it, temperature or distance?
Anyone else agree with you that northern hemisphere SAP drops because we're closer to the sun?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your "first attempt" to do that was the laughable 2007 fudged fraud claiming highest pressure on land a mile above sea level...

and hence your credibility is zero. You fudge data. You lie, and you were just BUSTED right here doing so...

One example and I win?

 

[EMH]

Which is it, temperature or distance?

Are you really going to argue there is not a correlation between a planet's

distance from Sun and its temperature??????


LOL!!!

Fudging data, lying, dodging questions, refusing to accept actual data.... all Co2 FRAUD standard procedures....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you really going to argue there is not a correlation between a planet's

distance from Sun and its temperature??????

Are you going to argue that lower SAP in the northern hemisphere winter is
because the Earth is closer to the sun, not because it's colder?

 

[EMH]

Are you going to argue that lower SAP in the northern hemisphere winter is
because the Earth is closer to the sun, not because it's colder?

you mean higher not lower...


correct, since that's what Mars proves....

 

[ding]

No it's not ... or you'd post a ******* citation jackass ...

PV = nRT ...

Oh wait ... I'm sorry ... that's college science ... over your head apparently ... you were sick with the flu the day your chemistry class did that experiment ...

SSDD is confusing density with pressure ... they're related but they're not the same thing ...

The atmosphere is not a fixed volume. Water vapor and temperature affect air density and atmospheric pressure is a function of air density. The colder the air the greater the density of the air. The "wetter" the air the less dense the air.

How come you don't know these things?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

you mean higher not lower...


correct, since that's what Mars proves....

Why does Earth's smaller distance, not Mar's distance or Pluto's distance, from the sun, make SAP lower on Earth?

 

[EMH]

make SAP lower on Earth?

Earth SAP is not lower than Pluto or Mars.... not even close.

The average surface air pressure on Mars is 6 to 7 millibars, which is about 160 times less than the pressure at sea level on Earth.


The surface pressure of the atmosphere of Pluto, measured by New Horizons in 2015, is about 1 Pa (10 μbar), roughly 1/100,000 of Earth's atmospheric pressure.

 

[EMH]

The atmosphere is not a fixed volume. Water vapor and temperature affect air density and atmospheric pressure is a function of air density. The colder the air the greater the density of the air. The "wetter" the air the less dense the air.

How come you don't know these things?

The Mars skateboard completely destroys that by clearly documenting that distance from Sun, aka temperature, matters...

The official definition of surface air pressure is wrong. Surface Air Pressure is correlated with temperature. Those who claim it is not are busted as either science invalids or flat out liars, or in Ding's case both, by the above data chart.

 

[ding]

The Mars skateboard completely destroys that by clearly documenting that distance from Sun, aka temperature, matters...

The official definition of surface air pressure is wrong. Surface Air Pressure is correlated with temperature. Those who claim it is not are busted as either science invalids or flat out liars, or in Ding's case both, by the above data chart.

You are quite the moron if you can't understand that atmospheric pressure is a function of air density.

 

[EMH]

You are quite the moron if you can't understand that atmospheric pressure is a function of air density.

Surface Air Pressure = (mass of gas column pulled down by gravity) x (a coefficient) x (temperature)


Those who claim it is just the mass of the gas column are proven wrong by the Mars skateboard. Those who observe the Mars skateboard data and continue to lie about it are not credible, which is why they are employed by Co2 FRAUD as "faux skeptics" to argue really dumb stuff like water causes ice....

 

[ding]

Surface Air Pressure = (mass of gas column pulled down by gravity) x (a coefficient) x (temperature)

Yep, air density. mass per volume. And air density is a function of gas composition and temperature.

So stop complicating it by speaking nonsense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Earth SAP is not lower than Pluto or Mars.... not even close.

The average surface air pressure on Mars is 6 to 7 millibars, which is about 160 times less than the pressure at sea level on Earth.


The surface pressure of the atmosphere of Pluto, measured by New Horizons in 2015, is about 1 Pa (10 μbar), roughly 1/100,000 of Earth's atmospheric pressure.

Earth SAP is not lower than Pluto or Mars.... not even close.

Who said it was, fucktard?

Why does Earth's smaller distance, not Mar's distance or Pluto's distance, from the sun, make SAP lower on Earth than when Earth was farther from the sun?

 

[EMH]

Earth SAP is not lower than Pluto or Mars.... not even close.

Who said it was, fucktard?

Some absolute moron... right here...

make SAP lower on Earth?

Why does Earth's smaller distance, not Mar's distance or Pluto's distance, from the sun, make SAP lower on Earth than when Earth was farther from the sun?

It doesn't. Earth SAP goes up when it is closer to the Sun, the period known as Northern Hemisphere winter.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It doesn't. Earth SAP goes up when it is closer to the Sun, the period known as Northern Hemisphere winter.

If only you had some evidence. Do you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Some absolute moron... right here...

make SAP lower on Earth?

Lower on Earth isn't lower "than" Mars or Pluto, Fucktard.

 

[EMH]

If only you had some evidence. Do you?

So you are arguing that, while distance for Sun is correlated with Mars and Pluto SAP, it somehow is not with Earth.

WHY?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you are arguing that, while distance for Sun is correlated with Mars and Pluto SAP, it somehow is not with Earth.

WHY?

I'm arguing that you haven't shown any evidence that SAP on Earth rises when the Earth is closer to the Sun. Do you have any? Show me.

Have you come up with a mechanism to explain why, if you actually had evidence that it did, in fact, increase?

 

[EMH]

I'm arguing that you haven't shown any evidence that SAP on Earth rises when the Earth is closer to the Sun. Do you have any? Show me.

Have you come up with a mechanism to explain why, if you actually had evidence that it did, in fact, increase?

3 pages of this crap...

The data from the northern hemisphere, cited by you and Ding over and over, is that there is roughly a 1% increase in surface air pressure in winter relative to summer.

EMH responded by noticing that during winter in northern hemisphere, Earth is close to 3 million miles closer to Sun than summer....


and now you want that repeated over and over, since you cannot answer WHY Earth SAP would not rise when closer to Sun while Mars and Pluto SAP do...

 

[ding]

3 pages of this crap...

The data from the northern hemisphere, cited by you and Ding over and over, is that there is roughly a 1% increase in surface air pressure in winter relative to summer.

EMH responded by noticing that during winter in northern hemisphere, Earth is close to 3 million miles closer to Sun than summer....


and now you want that repeated over and over, since you cannot answer WHY Earth SAP would not rise when closer to Sun while Mars and Pluto SAP do...

So stop adding to it by speaking nonsense.