Planned Parenthood caught trafficking in human body parts

[Mad Scientist]

Actually, I think most libs would be happier if everyone had a remunerative job that put food on the table.

I'd be all for a federal jobs program that employed every able bodied American at a living wage. You know, like the Europeans do.

Look again. The European Union is failing.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Hey I don't want a Lambo but I DO wanna' restore an old 70-71 or 72 Chevelle. I figger I need about $25,000 in total. I'll do the work myself.

How many and what baby parts do me and wife need to sell to Planned Parenthood to raise the funds?

 

[aris2chat]

Nocatola said that they were *ok* as long as they didn't PLAN to change the procedure, but just went in and did it...but the thing is, the fact that she then admitted that she looked down at the patient admitting sheet and picked out the ones that would get the altered procedure (based on fetal age) for the purpose of organ harvest means that yup, they PLAN to engage in illegal procedures for the sake of selling tissue.

They are not harvest organs for transplant, they are saving tissue for medical research. Procedures can be changed with consent. Many women do not know or care what happens to the tissue. It can provide for medical research or be incinerated. Why waste the tissue if it can be of value to save the lives of others or improve their quality of life such as to grow skin for burn victims?

It can turn an unfortunate situation into something meaningful to others. Even the tissue from a miscarriage can be of value to science and medicine. Would you rather they become fuel for heating or to save other lives? Placenta and umbilical cord are of medical value not just the fetus. Even menses can be medically valuable for research and there are easy ways to remove it for preserving it.

I am amazed by how selfish and squeamish people are about discarded/rejected tissue and potential research

The crime is not saving other real lives with what would otherwise be biological waste.

Fuel vs medicine
It should not be that hard to understand

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Laws have already been broken and freely admitted to on video tape (like for instance aborting in such a way to facilitate the removal of vital organs).
The problem now is finding a way to force this administration

If that were true there would already have been charges file in the local jurisdictions where the alleged crimes took place. They know they don't have a case, that's why they are desperately appealing to emotion......

That isn't necessarily true at all. All we have are uncoerced statements of non specific practices...hardly the sort of thing a local DA would file on and hardly in the jurisdiction of any one locality.
Face it...Planned Parenthood executives have held out their dirty laundry
and waved it around. They've stepped in it.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just wait until Walker is elected President. He's already eliminated all state funding for Planned Parenthood in Wisconsin.

"In the U.S., the use of fetal tissue is regulated by law to prevent abuse. For example, women who donate their aborted fetuses for research are required to give their free and informed consent, and must not be asked to donate until after they have already decided to have an abortion. Fears that women are being coerced into abortions solely to obtain fetal tissue are irrational and unfounded.

In Canada, no laws exist at present on the handling and use of fetal tissue (a law is currently on the drawing board), but strict ethical guidelines are enforced by several independent research councils. Research funding is provided only to individuals and institutions that certify compliance with the guidelines. These cover much the same ground as the U.S. laws, including the requirement for informed consent from women without interfering with their abortion decision, and the obtainment of tissue through non-commercial means.

The only allegation currently under investigation by a U.S. Congressional committee is that two biomedical companies, acting as third parties in the collection of fetal tissue, are charging inflated handling fees to research institutions -- more than what is needed to cover costs. Let there be no doubt as to the unanimous pro-choice position on this -- if any type of illegal activity is happening -- and nothing has been proved as yet -- let's root it out and prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of the law. [Ed note: In August 2001, these two companies and a Kansas abortion clinic were cleared of any wrongdoing, after an FBI investigation concluded no illegal activities had occurred].

As for the vicious gossip about doctors killing babies to "harvest" their organs, such hearsay is more suited to publication in the Weekly World News. These rumours originate from a single, anonymous source -- "Kelly," who claims to be a former worker at an organ donation company in Maryland. The scenes she describes constitute criminal behaviour, and a gross violation of medical ethics. If her claims are true, why is she hiding behind a pseudonym, instead of helping bring the perpetrators to justice? Why did she go to Life Dynamics with her "evidence", instead of the police? These stories and their source are simply not credible, and abortion providers are outraged by even the suggestion of such barbaric practices. [Ed note: In March 2000, in front of a Congressional committee, the stories of "Kelly" and Life Dynamics were completely discredited—"Kelly" was actually Lawrence Dean Alberty, a paid spy for Life Dynamics, and he and LDI apparently fabricated much of the "evidence".]"

More vicious lies from the Irish Lassie.

The video says otherwise, dumb ass.

The producers of the video, like you, are lying pieces of shit. It is not illegal to use fetal tissue in medical research. Since the video was taken a year ago and no one has been arrested to charged, pretty clear who is the dumbass here, Lassie.

It is not illegal to donate tissue or body parts, including aborted fetus, for medical research. The cost to remove, preserve, or transport can be chaged in the arrangment.
the $100 is not for the sale but the costs for the expenses of the tissue.
The transaction being discussed is not illegal, it is not an actual "sale" but the costs for the expenses

Once the fetal tissue is removed it is not longer up to the mother what happens to the tissue. It up to the clinc/hospital to dispose or donate for research.

You say that is what it is for but I don't see expenses spoken about in the video. What I see is a negotiation over price.

Tell me, how does costs for expenses change in a negotiation? Costs are static - there would be no negotiation.


Also, the last part of your statement is blatantly false. It is NOT up to the clinic what happens to the tissue.

 

[FA_Q2]

Don't know why that would be a conditional consideration, since one deals with standard of living and the other is life itself. But sure lets talk about welfare. Forget about the abuse of it on the part of citizens,(which needs to be part of the conversation) let's talk about the abuse coming from govt. an immense amount of taxpayer money goes into welfare, then you pay for a gigantic bureaucracy, that then doles out breadcrumbs to the needy.

Actually, Corky, got to stop you right here because again, you are a retard.

Check it out, Low Income Assistance is only 5.3% of the Federal Budget.

Meanwhile, "White People" entitlements of Social Security and Medicare make up 33% of the budget.

So, no we aren't lavishing a bunch of money on poor people, contrary to what people like you want to think.

Couldn't help but point out the pure idiocy here. 'White people" entitlements. LOL. Can you get more asinine than this. More racist vision from those that claim to not be racist.

 

[hadit]

Nocatola said that they were *ok* as long as they didn't PLAN to change the procedure, but just went in and did it...but the thing is, the fact that she then admitted that she looked down at the patient admitting sheet and picked out the ones that would get the altered procedure (based on fetal age) for the purpose of organ harvest means that yup, they PLAN to engage in illegal procedures for the sake of selling tissue.

They are not harvest organs for transplant, they are saving tissue for medical research. Procedures can be changed with consent. Many women do not know or care what happens to the tissue. It can provide for medical research or be incinerated. Why waste the tissue if it can be of value to save the lives of others or improve their quality of life such as to grow skin for burn victims?

It can turn an unfortunate situation into something meaningful to others. Even the tissue from a miscarriage can be of value to science and medicine. Would you rather they become fuel for heating or to save other lives? Placenta and umbilical cord are of medical value not just the fetus. Even menses can be medically valuable for research and there are easy ways to remove it for preserving it.

I am amazed by how selfish and squeamish people are about discarded/rejected tissue and potential research

The crime is not saving other real lives with what would otherwise be biological waste.

Fuel vs medicine
It should not be that hard to understand

Some people are more opposed to using animals for research than they are about using unborn humans.

 

[FA_Q2]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

 

[FA_Q2]

It's all about optics.

Only the hard core believers are going to back PP on this one.

They lost more stock on this one....fraudlent or not.

Scares me that you can't have dinner and not wind up on YouTube.

You can, provided you don't discuss illegal activities over your food. I cannot count the number of times I've had dinner and discussed perfect ordinary, legal topics without winding up on YouTube. It's really quite easy to do.

Sure, as long as you don't have a group that is essentially stalking you, watching you all the time.

Such a group would only stalk you if they were looking to ensnare you in some kind of controversey.

My guess is that there wasn't a lot of thought given to the legality of the discussed subject.....it sounds BAD.

Whether or not I like PP, it bothers me that people would be sitting close to them at dinner and monitor their conversations.

Isn't what happened (the videoing) illegal ?

Sitting close to them?

No, the actual people doing the negotiations are taping them. They are amateur journalists posing as a research company.

 

[FA_Q2]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

The video doesn't prove Planned Parenthood is doing anything illegal.

In what parallel universe?

Has anyone been charged ?

Is there an investigation ?

Yes there is. It has already been pointed out.

Laws have already been broken and freely admitted to on video tape (like for instance aborting in such a way to facilitate the removal of vital organs).
The problem now is finding a way to force this administration

If that were true there would already have been charges file in the local jurisdictions where the alleged crimes took place. They know they don't have a case, that's why they are desperately appealing to emotion......

Of course because the courts act instantly in your imaginary world.

 

[koshergrl]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

No, but the #1 priority is to protect innocent and helpless life. As it should be.

 

[aris2chat]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

If a women is desperate enough, she will find a way if she does not have access to clinics or family planning. She can do permanent harm to herself and even die. Why is saving the women a bad thing? Why not being forced into a pregnancy before she is ready a bad thing? Why is using what would be waste or fuel to help others wrong?

Morally doctors save the mother's life. Doctor treat the patient in front of them, not one that is only a potential but not complete being. Doctors save the life they can not those they know they cannot.

In a perfect world there would never be an unwanted pregnancy and a women would not conceive when she was fully ready to be a mother.

In a perfect world there would never be a shortage of organs or necessary need to study or use tissue for research.

In a perfect world there would be no want, no poverty, no suffering, no pain, no abuse, to danger............

We have never lived in a perfect world and possibly there will never be such a thing.

We deal with what we have and what can be done in the most logical way.

 

[koshergrl]

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

If a women is desperate enough, she will find a way if she does not have access to clinics or family planning. She can do permanent harm to herself and even die. Why is saving the women a bad thing? Why not being forced into a pregnancy before she is ready a bad thing? Why is using what would be waste or fuel to help others wrong?

Morally doctors save the mother's life. Doctor treat the patient in front of them, not one that is only a potential but not complete being. Doctors save the life they can not those they know they cannot.

In a perfect world there would never be an unwanted pregnancy and a women would not conceive when she was fully ready to be a mother.

In a perfect world there would never be a shortage of organs or necessary need to study or use tissue for research.

In a perfect world there would be no want, no poverty, no suffering, no pain, no abuse, to danger............

We have never lived in a perfect world and possibly there will never be such a thing.

We deal with what we have and what can be done in the most logical way.

One moment...you don't save women from abortions..by giving them abortions.

You see the problem, right?

 

[FA_Q2]

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

If a women is desperate enough, she will find a way if she does not have access to clinics or family planning. She can do permanent harm to herself and even die. Why is saving the women a bad thing? Why not being forced into a pregnancy before she is ready a bad thing? Why is using what would be waste or fuel to help others wrong?

Morally doctors save the mother's life. Doctor treat the patient in front of them, not one that is only a potential but not complete being. Doctors save the life they can not those they know they cannot.

In a perfect world there would never be an unwanted pregnancy and a women would not conceive when she was fully ready to be a mother.

In a perfect world there would never be a shortage of organs or necessary need to study or use tissue for research.

In a perfect world there would be no want, no poverty, no suffering, no pain, no abuse, to danger............

We have never lived in a perfect world and possibly there will never be such a thing.

We deal with what we have and what can be done in the most logical way.

And?

You see, recognizing that blindboo is ignoring what is smacking him in the face is completely irrelevant to my position on abortion.

I support the right but for very different reasons than most. I also acknowledge EXACTLY what it is and the horror of it. That does not change what PP appears to be engaged in.

 

[koshergrl]

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S the big concern here.

Can you even SPELL the word "priorities"?

No. Blind is literally blind in this issue. As long as it supports killing the unborn apparently it cannot do anything wrong.

If a women is desperate enough, she will find a way if she does not have access to clinics or family planning. She can do permanent harm to herself and even die. Why is saving the women a bad thing? Why not being forced into a pregnancy before she is ready a bad thing? Why is using what would be waste or fuel to help others wrong?

Morally doctors save the mother's life. Doctor treat the patient in front of them, not one that is only a potential but not complete being. Doctors save the life they can not those they know they cannot.

In a perfect world there would never be an unwanted pregnancy and a women would not conceive when she was fully ready to be a mother.

In a perfect world there would never be a shortage of organs or necessary need to study or use tissue for research.

In a perfect world there would be no want, no poverty, no suffering, no pain, no abuse, to danger............

We have never lived in a perfect world and possibly there will never be such a thing.

We deal with what we have and what can be done in the most logical way.

And?

You see, recognizing that blindboo is ignoring what is smacking him in the face is completely irrelevant to my position on abortion.

I support the right but for very different reasons than most. I also acknowledge EXACTLY what it is and the horror of it. That does not change what PP appears to be engaged in.

Most of the people who support planned parenthood know exactly what it is about. You aren't original, trust me. There's a whole little group of you sick ***** who are fine with exploiting, victimizing and killing the most vulnerable in a deluded attempt to *reduce* certain populations. The poor, the mentally challenged, the deformed, whatever. Most of them pretend they want the abortion mills to run because they *care* so much, but it's just about killing. That's all it's ever been about.

 

[JoeB131]

Your argument is screwed this week. Lots of buy one get one deals and 2/1.00 deals on proteins.

....
Shrimp (5.99 lb)
)

Shrimp? Are you ******* kidding me?

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, I think most libs would be happier if everyone had a remunerative job that put food on the table.

I'd be all for a federal jobs program that employed every able bodied American at a living wage. You know, like the Europeans do.

Look again. The European Union is failing.

Not as badly as we are.

 

[JoeB131]

Some people are more opposed to using animals for research than they are about using unborn humans.

There's no such thing as an "unborn human".

And, yes, animal research is cruel because it often subjects the animal to extended pain, with no real benefit. (what works on an animal won't necessarily work on a person.)

 

[aris2chat]

Some people are more opposed to using animals for research than they are about using unborn humans.

There's no such thing as an "unborn human".

And, yes, animal research is cruel because it often subjects the animal to extended pain, with no real benefit. (what works on an animal won't necessarily work on a person.)

animal testing can be controlled, human testing is problematic. animals can be bred faster and tested in smaller labs and facilities. You can even breed in certain traits, or out. more cost efficient.

machines alone can not tell you what happens or the side effect.

 

[Care4all]

The law was already linked somewhere.
And I didn't complain that the procedural methods of abortion were in violation of the law. The reality is that both the doctors talked about CHANGING the procedure in order to FACILITATE organ harvest. And THAT is against the law. You can't change a procedure for the sake of selling tissue or for any purpose except safety.

And the procedure they were choosing to change to was partial birth abortion...which is illegal.

someone posted the law earlier, it might have been you? But my question about the law on not changing the organ donor's treatment, is so that Doctors do not take the organ donor off any of their life support, or medically treat them differently than a person dying who is not donating organs etc.... in other words, the dying organ donor's death would not be expedited or changed due to them being organ donors...

IS this law applicable to a fetus being aborted?