Pilot uses video and explains helicopter crashed both aircraft

Actually, it was only a matter of time.


A year and a half ago, Slate’s Dan Kois wrote an article titled “Everyone Seems to Agree a Major Plane Crash Is Coming.” “We’re overdue,” one pilot told him. But knowing a big crash like this was coming—seeing all the patched-up holes in the aviation system that might have made it more likely—doesn’t seem to have made anyone more prepared. Instead of somber reflection, we’ve gotten the blame game, most shamelessly from Donald Trump, who called a press conference to say diversity efforts caused the collision. He even listed off a bunch of disabilities, implying that no one with, say, hearing trouble or partial paralysis could be an effective air traffic controller.


In the days since an American Airlines flight collided with a Black Hawk helicopter over the Potomac River, killing dozens, there’s this one fact I can’t stop thinking about: It’s been 15 years since a crash like this has happened. Fifteen years ago, the iPhone was essentially brand-new. Barack Obama had just been elected president. It seems like a lifetime ago. And that means a couple of things: First, we haven’t responded as a country to a big, random accident like this in a while. But it also means: Some experts had been waiting for this moment. Dreading it.

A year and a half ago, Slate’s Dan Kois wrote an article titled “Everyone Seems to Agree a Major Plane Crash Is Coming.” “We’re overdue,” one pilot told him. But knowing a big crash like this was coming—seeing all the patched-up holes in the aviation system that might have made it more likely—doesn’t seem to have made anyone more prepared. Instead of somber reflection, we’ve gotten the blame game, most shamelessly from Donald Trump, who called a press conference to say diversity efforts caused the collision. He even listed off a bunch of disabilities, implying that no one with, say, hearing trouble or partial paralysis could be an effective air traffic controller.

“Air traffic control training is notoriously difficult and an enormous number of people wash out of it. It’s not like you walk in the door and they hand you a pair of headphones and a microphone and they’re like, OK, get that guy onto Runway 33. It takes years. And lots of people don’t succeed for various reasons. So,it’s one of the few jobs in America that seems legitimately pretty merit-based,” said Kois.

Full staffing for the United States’ air traffic controllers would be over 14,000 controllers. And as of the end of last year, we had 10,800 controllers. That’s roughly two-thirds of the number that we should have, and that’s not new. The result is that all those controllers are all working 60-hour weeks. Pulling longer weeks than that is not at all uncommon, and towers are frequently understaffed. If someone’s sick, if someone has to go home, if someone has an emergency, there isn’t a lot of give in the system to solve those problems. So, in towers all over the place, everyone’s working a really long time. They’re frequently doing more than they should be doing, and they’re doing it in an insanely high-pressure environment.

The crash really suggests some of the many problems of the Elon Musk DOGE-style federal management system, which is fire everyone and let God sort it out. But also, this specific flight, this Wichita to National flight on American, has only been flying for about a year, and it was a new flight added to National Airport. Pretty much everyone—the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration—agrees that airport is at or above capacity for safe and efficient use. But they keep adding flights to it.
How many flights are flown by the Air Traffic controllers? You appear to want them to be the blame. I tell you they are not to blame. The helicopter pilot as the pilot in command is to blame. She asked to fly visual. She hit a passenger plane. Do you understand what visuals means to we pilots?
 
How many flights are flown by the Air Traffic controllers? You appear to want them to be the blame. I tell you they are not to blame. The helicopter pilot as the pilot in command is to blame. She asked to fly visual. She hit a passenger plane. Do you understand what visuals means to we pilots?

Was she told, 'Hey, there's an airliner bearing down on you, right now?"

Was she warned she was out of her lane?

Were the instruments on her craft functioning properly?

Yes, it'll probably be the path of least resistance to blame the Army pilot. That doesn't mean it's the right answer.

MEANWHILE


Nothing to see here!!!!
 
It's more about preventing grandchildren committing mistakes of their grandparents. German tanks came on Russian land, therefore, its pretty likely that Russian tanks will come on German land.
That happened in the past.
 
Was she told, 'Hey, there's an airliner bearing down on you, right now?"

Was she warned she was out of her lane?

Were the instruments on her craft functioning properly?

Yes, it'll probably be the path of least resistance to blame the Army pilot. That doesn't mean it's the right answer.

MEANWHILE


Nothing to see here!!!!
Joe you asked the wrong questions. After all the information I supplied to you, you keep asking the wrong questions. The airline was not bearing down on her. She was on the wrong path and a mile away from where she belonged. She slammed into the airliner, not the other way around. As to her instruments, She was not flying on instruments, she asked for and got visual. Same as you driving your car, you drive on visual.

As I said other times, It does not please me to blame her. I wish she had not slammed into the airliner. It was cleared and on the correct path. I have flown at night and landed at airports at night. The pilot accepts responsibility to follow directions and operate at night carefully. Why does it bother you for her to be blamed?

And the next example is that the Japan Airlines hit the parked plane. Delta is not at fault.
 
When I was in Germany in 1962, they had done a great job rebuilding. I am sure they had plenty of help. I did not talk to any there who missed Hitler. And Hitler in the 1930s and really improved their lives. They did not like him after he made war.
It's not about Hitler's (or anybody elses) personality. It's about their Drung nach Osten which they regularly commit.
 
Joe you asked the wrong questions. After all the information I supplied to you, you keep asking the wrong questions. The airline was not bearing down on her. She was on the wrong path and a mile away from where she belonged. She slammed into the airliner, not the other way around. As to her instruments, She was not flying on instruments, she asked for and got visual. Same as you driving your car, you drive on visual.

Last time I checked, a jet moves a lot faster than a helicopter...
 
Last time I checked, a jet moves a lot faster than a helicopter...
Not a fact during the final stage of the jet landing. Even so, the helicopter aimed at the jet. And hit it.
 
Okay, now you are just being delusional.

Yes, this pilot at the top of her professional career decided to commit suicide to embarrass the one True God, Donald Trump.
Oh so you claim the helicopter did not hit the Jet passenger aircraft that was clearly using it's own airspace? Trump is not involved. I did not say she committed suicide. Why are you so eager to blame the passenger jet that was explicitly on the correct path?
 
Oh so you claim the helicopter did not hit the Jet passenger aircraft that was clearly using it's own airspace? Trump is not involved. I did not say she committed suicide. Why are you so eager to blame the passenger jet that was explicitly on the correct path?

I'm saying they collided because the jet flew into the helicopter.

The jetliner changed it's approach path.

I suspect this was an error involving both pilots and the ATC center that was understaffed.... But unlike you, I'm waiting for the investigation before making any further claims.
 
I'm saying they collided because the jet flew into the helicopter.

The jetliner changed it's approach path.

I suspect this was an error involving both pilots and the ATC center that was understaffed.... But unlike you, I'm waiting for the investigation before making any further claims.
Rest on your false thinking Joe. I tried as a pilot to inform you. So you blame the passenger jet who was only following landing instructions and the helicopter flew directly at the plane but you blame that pilot and not the chopper. I know what this will be at the end of the investigation.
 
Rest on your false thinking Joe. I tried as a pilot to inform you. So you blame the passenger jet who was only following landing instructions and the helicopter flew directly at the plane but you blame that pilot and not the chopper. I know what this will be at the end of the investigation.
Just curious, What will the final report reveal?
If you know you know.
 
Rest on your false thinking Joe. I tried as a pilot to inform you. So you blame the passenger jet who was only following landing instructions and the helicopter flew directly at the plane but you blame that pilot and not the chopper. I know what this will be at the end of the investigation.

I am sure that they will TRY to blame the Army pilot, but I will doubt that finding if it isn't backed up by solid evidence.

Just curious, What will the final report reveal?
If you know you know.

I think it's going to be found to be a combination of errors on the part of the airliner, the helicopter crew, and the Air Traffic Control Tower.
 
I think it's going to be found to be a combination of errors on the part of the airliner, the helicopter crew, and the Air Traffic Control Tower.
What did the Helicopter crew do that you believe they caused the crash. The passenger jet won't be blamed. Also the tower will not get blamed. I have studied maybe 100 crashes and know well as a pilot who takes the blame.
 
What did the Helicopter crew do that you believe they caused the crash. The passenger jet won't be blamed. Also the tower will not get blamed. I have studied maybe 100 crashes and know well as a pilot who takes the blame.

They were too high. That contributed, but we don't know if that was an error or due to faulty instruments.

The Tower was understaffed that day because they let someone go home sick. Most of our ATC towers are understaffed these days.

The airliner was diverted from one landing strip to another.

Now, the other thing that is a factor is they keep cramming more and more flights into Reagan international airport so that the Congresscritters don't have to take connecting flights. That airport is well over capacity.

 

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