Picking sides, Israel and Palestine.

[22lcidw]

From the responses on this thread look at the stark differences in replies. The fact is this is the same as when it started so many decades ago. At some point, some Islamic faction is going to get WMD's. They will definitely get more advanced rockets with conventional warheads. Their disdain is so brutal that they would use bottle rockets if that were all they had. You cannot fight that. So, are they being oppressed in any way? Things we may not know about. For their hatred is real and deep.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

From the responses on this thread look at the stark differences in replies. The fact is this is the same as when it started so many decades ago. At some point, some Islamic faction is going to get WMD's. They will definitely get more advanced rockets with conventional warheads. Their disdain is so brutal that they would use bottle rockets if that were all they had. You cannot fight that. So, are they being oppressed in any way? Things we may not know about. For their hatred is real and deep.

What they claim is "oppression" is merely any measure people take to prevent their own murder. They them turn around and use this "oppression" to justify such murder.

Besides this circular argument, they indulge in the reversal of cause and effect. After they murder Jews, they portray the reaction to the murders as the act that somehow caused them

A westerner who falls for this idiocy is SERIOUSLY lacking in basic intellect

 

[Kondor3]

Pick a side?

Israel.

Palestinians are (collectively) stupid, underperforming whiny-***** losers... savages and barbarians of the worst sort.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The politicians and the news make out like there's only two sides of this war in Palestine. Tying all the Palestinian citizens to Hamas. As if each and every one of them were Hamas soldiers.

But I say there's people there who don't care about the politics, don't care that much about religion. And just want Hamas and Israel to leave them alone and let them try to live a normal life. After all, it's just human nature for most people to focus more on work & family than things they can't control.
Most Americans are that way. Same as Mexicans and everyone else on this planet.

The information that people are absorbing is coming from someone else. People we don't know. Agencies we don't know. And so people will pick a side that creates the correct emotion for them. Be it love, hate, fear or any of them, and go with that one. They'll also take the side their peer's have taken. Sort of like agreeing with the cool kids.

If you take just 2 minutes on the internet, you'll find atrocities committed by both Israel and Hamas. You'll find things like "Hamas uses women and children as shield." Or things like Israel bombing the evacuation routes. Both of which can be found here in these threads. Things that make your blood churn. Both could be true. Both could be lies. One could be fact and the other fiction. It doesn't matter. People are going to believe what they want to believe, without seeing it with their own eyes and in the actual context.

We know all governments lie. We know the MSM lies. So what I don't get is how anyone, especially those who lives thousands of miles from Israel and Palestine, who have no links to that area, can even take a side.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

You ******* retard. Only one side is preventing everyone from enjoying life and family and that’s the ******* Palestinians. If they would stop not another one of them would be killed by Israel military. Not one.

 

[CowboyTed]

If this is true it will splinter world support. It is already happening due to the predicted refugee crises. It is a horrible situation to be in, we forget that there are still 100+ hostages and then there is the political B.S as Bibi is extremely unpopular and Israelis are very angry with HIM and his govt. They blame much of this on their incompetence and his power grab. I've heard the interviews, by and large they want HAMAS gone, NOT innocent citizens. The botton line is that Israel has a right to exist and they are surrounded by so many who do not want them to exist. So, the response has to also send a message to other nations.. Then there is the most difficult part to come...the ground invasion. Prayers for the IDF and the hostages. It takes courage to fight for justice and I wll never disrespect a soldier who does.

But do we not think this is what Hamas want... They are not that stupid...

This was an attack to provoke a response..

Couple of things...

Iran and Saudi are enemies. They are both trying to control the region.

Why Saudi Arabia and Iran are bitter rivals

The two Middle Eastern powers have long been rivals but recently it all got a lot more tense.

www.bbc.com

Saudi and Isreal were in normalisation talks where are they now.

Saudi Arabia pauses normalisation talks with Israel amid ongoing war with Hamas

Saudi Arabia has suspended talks on potentially normalising ties with Israel, a source told AFP on Saturday, amid the war raging between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

www.france24.com

Iran wants to derail that...
And guess what, they got what they wanted...

Then why did Hamas do it:

After 18 years, Hamas ready for municipal elections in Gaza

During the meeting, Hamas and other Palestinian factions stressed that the current moment is "appropriate" to hold local elections and "allow our people to choose their legislative representatives".

www.newarab.com

Hamas hasn't had elections for 18 years and the last time they had a civil war.(under massive pressure from Egypt).. Last time they got 44% of the vote, Fatah I think got 42%...
Gaza strip has a young population... Average age is 18 (US is 38)..
Rumour has it Gaza Population were going to vote for Fatah who are more moderate (it is a relative term)...

They thought a overhand reaction from Isreal would give them more power. I think this is a miscalculation...

If Isreal could think rationally right now they wouldn't be bombing indiscriminately, only reaction to rocket attacks... Get all the Hamas leaders and who ever they can. Invite Palestinian Authority to go in and round them up.

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

The politicians and the news make out like there's only two sides of this war in Palestine. Tying all the Palestinian citizens to Hamas. As if each and every one of them were Hamas soldiers.

But I say there's people there who don't care about the politics, don't care that much about religion. And just want Hamas and Israel to leave them alone and let them try to live a normal life. After all, it's just human nature for most people to focus more on work & family than things they can't control.
Most Americans are that way. Same as Mexicans and everyone else on this planet.

The information that people are absorbing is coming from someone else. People we don't know. Agencies we don't know. And so people will pick a side that creates the correct emotion for them. Be it love, hate, fear or any of them, and go with that one. They'll also take the side their peer's have taken. Sort of like agreeing with the cool kids.

If you take just 2 minutes on the internet, you'll find atrocities committed by both Israel and Hamas. You'll find things like "Hamas uses women and children as shield." Or things like Israel bombing the evacuation routes. Both of which can be found here in these threads. Things that make your blood churn. Both could be true. Both could be lies. One could be fact and the other fiction. It doesn't matter. People are going to believe what they want to believe, without seeing it with their own eyes and in the actual context.

We know all governments lie. We know the MSM lies. So what I don't get is how anyone, especially those who lives thousands of miles from Israel and Palestine, who have no links to that area, can even take a side.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

Excellent points my friend. Most people just want to live their lives and help out their family and that includes people who believe in God.

We are living in a country with high inflation, 100,000 Americans die each year from drugs brought over the border, astronomical price of homes, high crime rates, drug use, suicide rates, and depression among young people at record highs. Patriotism among young people is at an all-time low

I can’t believe what the media outlets are engaging in. Fox News, MSNBC and CNN almost exclusively only talk about Israel. What about the 50 young people mostly young black men killed in Chicago on weekends. What about the random American killed or raped by an illegal immigrant in this country.

It’s like the media forgot all the problems we have in America. We need to help out the people in our country.

 

[shockedcanadian]

But do we not think this is what Hamas want... They are not that stupid...

This was an attack to provoke a response..

Couple of things...

Iran and Saudi are enemies. They are both trying to control the region.

Why Saudi Arabia and Iran are bitter rivals

The two Middle Eastern powers have long been rivals but recently it all got a lot more tense.

www.bbc.com

Saudi and Isreal were in normalisation talks where are they now.

Saudi Arabia pauses normalisation talks with Israel amid ongoing war with Hamas

Saudi Arabia has suspended talks on potentially normalising ties with Israel, a source told AFP on Saturday, amid the war raging between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

www.france24.com

Iran wants to derail that...
And guess what, they got what they wanted...

Then why did Hamas do it:

After 18 years, Hamas ready for municipal elections in Gaza

During the meeting, Hamas and other Palestinian factions stressed that the current moment is "appropriate" to hold local elections and "allow our people to choose their legislative representatives".

www.newarab.com

Hamas hasn't had elections for 18 years and the last time they had a civil war.(under massive pressure from Egypt).. Last time they got 44% of the vote, Fatah I think got 42%...
Gaza strip has a young population... Average age is 18 (US is 38)..
Rumour has it Gaza Population were going to vote for Fatah who are more moderate (it is a relative term)...

They thought a overhand reaction from Isreal would give them more power. I think this is a miscalculation...

If Isreal could think rationally right now they wouldn't be bombing indiscriminately, only reaction to rocket attacks... Get all the Hamas leaders and who ever they can. Invite Palestinian Authority to go in and round them up.

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Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Yep. Israel has no choice now. The responsibility lies with the missed intelligence, the current Israeli government and the IDF. They now have to seek justice.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

You ******* retard. Only one side is preventing everyone from enjoying life and family and that’s the ******* Palestinians. If they would stop not another one of them would be killed by Israel military. Not one.

Come on Mike the original poster is a fiscal conservative. He’s a cool guy. He doesn’t deserve that type of language, my friend.

 

[whitehall]

Picking sides when Americans have been killed and mutilated by Hamas savages and are being held hostage?

 

[Leo123]

I'll go with the ones that don't behead babies.

 

[Thinker101]

The politicians and the news make out like there's only two sides of this war in Palestine. Tying all the Palestinian citizens to Hamas. As if each and every one of them were Hamas soldiers.

But I say there's people there who don't care about the politics, don't care that much about religion. And just want Hamas and Israel to leave them alone and let them try to live a normal life. After all, it's just human nature for most people to focus more on work & family than things they can't control.
Most Americans are that way. Same as Mexicans and everyone else on this planet.

The information that people are absorbing is coming from someone else. People we don't know. Agencies we don't know. And so people will pick a side that creates the correct emotion for them. Be it love, hate, fear or any of them, and go with that one. They'll also take the side their peer's have taken. Sort of like agreeing with the cool kids.

If you take just 2 minutes on the internet, you'll find atrocities committed by both Israel and Hamas. You'll find things like "Hamas uses women and children as shield." Or things like Israel bombing the evacuation routes. Both of which can be found here in these threads. Things that make your blood churn. Both could be true. Both could be lies. One could be fact and the other fiction. It doesn't matter. People are going to believe what they want to believe, without seeing it with their own eyes and in the actual context.

We know all governments lie. We know the MSM lies. So what I don't get is how anyone, especially those who lives thousands of miles from Israel and Palestine, who have no links to that area, can even take a side.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

If your neighbor is shooting rockets into a neighboring country, it's probably a good time to move.

 

[Leo123]

Excellent points my friend. Most people just want to live their lives and help out their family and that includes people who believe in God.

We are living in a country with high inflation, 100,000 Americans die each year from drugs brought over the border, astronomical price of homes, high crime rates, drug use, suicide rates, and depression among young people at record highs. Patriotism among young people is at an all-time low

I can’t believe what the media outlets are engaging in. Fox News, MSNBC and CNN almost exclusively only talk about Israel. What about the 50 young people mostly young black men killed in Chicago on weekends. What about the random American killed or raped by an illegal immigrant in this country.

It’s like the media forgot all the problems we have in America. We need to help out the people in our country.

In the news media if it bleeds it leads. It's never really been any different. A peaceful world is not 'news.'

 

[SaxonJackson]

I'm picking America! The America envisioned by the Founding Fathers. I'll also choose TRUE Israel. The Biblical variety. Outside of that ... I don't give two hoots about the spat going on in the Middle East at the moment. Psyops don't interest me much.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Stop watching TV or listening to anyone.

You do not give a darn anyway, so what is the point?

The way you treat people is disgraceful. Learn how to have a polite discussion with somebody you disagree with

 

[Nobody911]

The politicians and the news make out like there's only two sides of this war in Palestine. Tying all the Palestinian citizens to Hamas. As if each and every one of them were Hamas soldiers.

But I say there's people there who don't care about the politics, don't care that much about religion. And just want Hamas and Israel to leave them alone and let them try to live a normal life. After all, it's just human nature for most people to focus more on work & family than things they can't control.
Most Americans are that way. Same as Mexicans and everyone else on this planet.

The information that people are absorbing is coming from someone else. People we don't know. Agencies we don't know. And so people will pick a side that creates the correct emotion for them. Be it love, hate, fear or any of them, and go with that one. They'll also take the side their peer's have taken. Sort of like agreeing with the cool kids.

If you take just 2 minutes on the internet, you'll find atrocities committed by both Israel and Hamas. You'll find things like "Hamas uses women and children as shield." Or things like Israel bombing the evacuation routes. Both of which can be found here in these threads. Things that make your blood churn. Both could be true. Both could be lies. One could be fact and the other fiction. It doesn't matter. People are going to believe what they want to believe, without seeing it with their own eyes and in the actual context.

We know all governments lie. We know the MSM lies. So what I don't get is how anyone, especially those who lives thousands of miles from Israel and Palestine, who have no links to that area, can even take a side.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

Greed! Just blame greed!

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the Middle East has been a longstanding and complex issue. The United Nations (UN) has been involved in various ways to address the conflict and promote peace in the region.

#### UN Resolutions:
The UN has issued several resolutions regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One notable resolution is UN Security Council Resolution 242, adopted in 1967, which calls for the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied during the Six-Day War and the recognition of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and political independence of all states in the region. Another significant resolution is UN General Assembly Resolution 181, adopted in 1947, which recommended the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states.

#### UN Efforts:
The UN has made efforts to facilitate negotiations and promote a peaceful resolution to the conflict. The Quartet on the Middle East, consisting of the European Union, Russia, the United Nations, and the United States, has been involved in mediating negotiations between the parties. Additionally, the UN has established various agencies and programs to provide humanitarian assistance and support to Palestinians in need.

#### Recent Developments:
Recent years have seen escalations of violence and tensions in the region. The UN has condemned acts of violence and called for a de-escalation of the situation. The UN Secretary-General and other UN officials have emphasized the need for a negotiated two-state solution, where Israel and Palestine can coexist peacefully within secure and recognized borders.

#### Challenges and Ongoing Efforts:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains a complex and challenging issue, with various political, historical, and territorial factors at play. Efforts to reach a lasting resolution have faced obstacles, including disagreements over borders, settlements, security, and the status of Jerusalem. The UN continues to advocate for a peaceful resolution and supports diplomatic efforts to bring the parties back to the negotiating table.


In a world consumed by greed's desire,
Where boundaries of wealth only grow higher,
It's easy to see how darkness surrounds,
But there's hope in sharing, where kindness abounds.

Greed knows no limits, it craves and consumes,
Leaving hearts empty, like barren rooms,
But in the act of giving, the spirit is found,
For sharing and kindness can heal any wound.

A wealthy man hoards his treasures with glee,
Yet finds no joy in his riches, it seems,
But when he opens his heart, his soul rebounds,
For sharing and kindness are riches profound.

No boundaries exist in the realms of the heart,
Only love and compassion can set us apart,
A world united by sharing and care,
Can solve any problem, can heal any despair.

So let us embrace the power we possess,
To share and to give, to help and to bless,
For in the face of greed, kindness resounds,
And in unity, humanity knows no bounds.

Edit:

• The room should accommodate two or more people, rather than being suitable for just one person.
• If individuals in the room learn to share everything, it would contribute to creating a better world.

Sources :

1. Israel's Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant ...
press.un.org

2. What Is U.S. Policy on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? | Council on ...
cfr.org

3. General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...
press.un.org

4. With 2022 Deadliest Year in Israel-Palestine Conflict, Reversing ...
un.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

The way you treat people is disgraceful. Learn how to have a polite discussion with somebody you disagree with

Go stuff yourself Russian stool.

You are a total fake in caring for people.

You choose who to care for and than hide behind there being good people on both sides.

Which is exactly what Trump said about the riots in Charlottesville.

Same garbage from the same garbage people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Greed! Just blame greed!

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the Middle East has been a longstanding and complex issue. The United Nations (UN) has been involved in various ways to address the conflict and promote peace in the region.

#### UN Resolutions:
The UN has issued several resolutions regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One notable resolution is UN Security Council Resolution 242, adopted in 1967, which calls for the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied during the Six-Day War and the recognition of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and political independence of all states in the region. Another significant resolution is UN General Assembly Resolution 181, adopted in 1947, which recommended the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states.

#### UN Efforts:
The UN has made efforts to facilitate negotiations and promote a peaceful resolution to the conflict. The Quartet on the Middle East, consisting of the European Union, Russia, the United Nations, and the United States, has been involved in mediating negotiations between the parties. Additionally, the UN has established various agencies and programs to provide humanitarian assistance and support to Palestinians in need.

#### Recent Developments:
Recent years have seen escalations of violence and tensions in the region. The UN has condemned acts of violence and called for a de-escalation of the situation. The UN Secretary-General and other UN officials have emphasized the need for a negotiated two-state solution, where Israel and Palestine can coexist peacefully within secure and recognized borders.

#### Challenges and Ongoing Efforts:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains a complex and challenging issue, with various political, historical, and territorial factors at play. Efforts to reach a lasting resolution have faced obstacles, including disagreements over borders, settlements, security, and the status of Jerusalem. The UN continues to advocate for a peaceful resolution and supports diplomatic efforts to bring the parties back to the negotiating table.


In a world consumed by greed's desire,
Where boundaries of wealth only grow higher,
It's easy to see how darkness surrounds,
But there's hope in sharing, where kindness abounds.

Greed knows no limits, it craves and consumes,
Leaving hearts empty, like barren rooms,
But in the act of giving, the spirit is found,
For sharing and kindness can heal any wound.

A wealthy man hoards his treasures with glee,
Yet finds no joy in his riches, it seems,
But when he opens his heart, his soul rebounds,
For sharing and kindness are riches profound.

No boundaries exist in the realms of the heart,
Only love and compassion can set us apart,
A world united by sharing and care,
Can solve any problem, can heal any despair.

So let us embrace the power we possess,
To share and to give, to help and to bless,
For in the face of greed, kindness resounds,
And in unity, humanity knows no bounds.

Edit:

• The room should accommodate two or more people, rather than being suitable for just one person.
• If individuals in the room learn to share everything, it would contribute to creating a better world.

Sources :

1. Israel's Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant ...
press.un.org

2. What Is U.S. Policy on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? | Council on ...
cfr.org

3. General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...
press.un.org

4. With 2022 Deadliest Year in Israel-Palestine Conflict, Reversing ...
un.org

What, a new religious nut who understands nothing about what has been going on in that region for the past 103 years?

Oh, yeah, another one.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What, a new religious nut who understands nothing about what has been going on in that region for the past 103 years?

Oh, yeah, another one.

Not another religious nut -- another imposter.

The have really come out of the woodwork.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The politicians and the news make out like there's only two sides of this war in Palestine. Tying all the Palestinian citizens to Hamas. As if each and every one of them were Hamas soldiers.

But I say there's people there who don't care about the politics, don't care that much about religion. And just want Hamas and Israel to leave them alone and let them try to live a normal life. After all, it's just human nature for most people to focus more on work & family than things they can't control.
Most Americans are that way. Same as Mexicans and everyone else on this planet.

The information that people are absorbing is coming from someone else. People we don't know. Agencies we don't know. And so people will pick a side that creates the correct emotion for them. Be it love, hate, fear or any of them, and go with that one. They'll also take the side their peer's have taken. Sort of like agreeing with the cool kids.

If you take just 2 minutes on the internet, you'll find atrocities committed by both Israel and Hamas. You'll find things like "Hamas uses women and children as shield." Or things like Israel bombing the evacuation routes. Both of which can be found here in these threads. Things that make your blood churn. Both could be true. Both could be lies. One could be fact and the other fiction. It doesn't matter. People are going to believe what they want to believe, without seeing it with their own eyes and in the actual context.

We know all governments lie. We know the MSM lies. So what I don't get is how anyone, especially those who lives thousands of miles from Israel and Palestine, who have no links to that area, can even take a side.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"

Another "both sides" are the problem, thread

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Another "both sides" are the problem, thread

If you look closely, the same ones that claim "both sides" are the ones who always focus all the blame on Jews.

They don't think anybody notices.