Pedophilia Deserves Civil Rights, Says New York Times’ Op-ed

[koshergrl]

Pedophilia is not genetically determined. It is not something someone is *born* with. It's not the same as skin color or gender, which ARE genetically determined. These are facts. Do you know what a fact is?

Hello.

And currently, the only people who are claiming that pedophilia is genetic are the psychotic pro-pedo lunatics that are trying to normalize it.

Could you at least link to something that shows this?

What are you talking about? They're saying it in this thread.

Other pro-pedo fanatics are NAMBLA. This is exactly what they claim...that pedophilia is just love for youngsters (young boys in their case, since they're also homos) and there's nothing whatever wrong with it.

 

[ricechickie]

Pedophilia is not the same as skin color.

Genetically speaking what makes pedophilia different from homosexuality or heterosexuality?

Not a thing. One chooses one's sexuality.

I'm going to ask you again, since I'm assuming that you chose heterosexuality. How hard did you have to think about the decision? Could a really good lesbian have changed your mind?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

 

[koshergrl]

If a really good lesbian had molested me in my early teens, you bet, she probably could have convinced me I was a lezbo too.

By the time I was getting hit on by homos, I was old enough to know that I had no interest in pursuing that lifestyle. Just as I have chosen to not follow through with men I have been attracted to, but knew I didn't want a relationship with .

 

[ricechickie]

What are you talking about? They're saying it in this thread.

Other pro-pedo fanatics are NAMBLA. This is exactly what they claim...that pedophilia is just love for youngsters (young boys in their case, since they're also homos) and there's nothing whatever wrong with it.

My apologies, I quoted badly. Can you at least link to something reputable that says that pedophilia (or any other kind of sexual attraction) isn't genetic?

 

[koshergrl]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

That's really funny, since you told me it was a "good idea" that I not respond to private messages from you, as you might get my info and see to it that I *never work with children* again.

 

[koshergrl]

What are you talking about? They're saying it in this thread.

Other pro-pedo fanatics are NAMBLA. This is exactly what they claim...that pedophilia is just love for youngsters (young boys in their case, since they're also homos) and there's nothing whatever wrong with it.

My apologies, I quoted badly. Can you at least link to something reputable that says that pedophilia (or any other kind of sexual attraction) isn't genetic?

Can you link to something reputable that says it is?

Nope, you can't. If you try, I will debunk it. But it isn't my job to prove a negative. It's just my job to say there's zero evidence that pedophilia is genetic.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

That's really funny, since you told me it was a "good idea" that I not respond to private messages from you, as you might get my info and see to it that I *never work with children* again.

Trying to remember why I took you off ignore. ...Oh ya. Erev Yom Kippur. Before we can ask God to forgive us of our sins we must forgive those who've sinned against us.

 

[ricechickie]

Can you link to something reputable that says it is?

Nope, you can't. If you try, I will debunk it. But it isn't my job to prove a negative. It's just my job to say there's zero evidence that pedophilia is genetic.

Ummm, I'm not the one making claims. And I'm not taking just your word for your claims.

Frankly, you sound a tad hysterical about this whole subject. Like if someone says anything that could be construed in any way as a positive about a person who might be a pedophile, you will foam at the mouth.

 

[ricechickie]

If a really good lesbian had molested me in my early teens, you bet, she probably could have convinced me I was a lezbo too.

By the time I was getting hit on by homos, I was old enough to know that I had no interest in pursuing that lifestyle. Just as I have chosen to not follow through with men I have been attracted to, but knew I didn't want a relationship with .

It sounds like you could be indoctrinated. So, you were indoctrinated into heterosexuality?

 

[koshergrl]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

That's really funny, since you told me it was a "good idea" that I not respond to private messages from you, as you might get my info and see to it that I *never work with children* again.

Trying to remember why I took you off ignore. ...Oh ya. Erev Yom Kippur. Before we can ask God to forgive us of our sins we must forgive those who've sinned against us.

Yes, well, I know why you put me on ignore. It's because I'm right, you're a pig, and that when you read my posts, you are forced to face the fact that pedophilia is not just *love*, and perversion is truly perversion.

BTW, pedos are about 10-15 IQ points lower than normal people, and shorter, for some reason.

 

[koshergrl]

Can you link to something reputable that says it is?

Nope, you can't. If you try, I will debunk it. But it isn't my job to prove a negative. It's just my job to say there's zero evidence that pedophilia is genetic.

Ummm, I'm not the one making claims. And I'm not taking just your word for your claims.

Frankly, you sound a tad hysterical about this whole subject. Like if someone says anything that could be construed in any way as a positive about a person who might be a pedophile, you will foam at the mouth.

Actually, I'm not sure you aren't making claims. Who is claiming that pedophilia is genetic? I don't remember who it was, there were a couple of the idiots. Anyway, my comment was a challenge to THAT assertion, which is a total and complete LIE. There's no indication that pedophilia is GENETIC at all. They tried this shit with homosexuality, too. They use it to push the agenda, to normalize it..and then eventually they just let it fall by the wayside. By that time, the deviants have forced their ways into the schools and kids' clubs and have complete unfettered access to their primary victims.

Having worked with both sex offenders and those they have abused, I definitely know what we're talking about here, and I know exactly what the dangers are. And everybody who works in the field (aside from the actual pedophiles themselves, which are abundant in the psychological field) are likewise adamant about the dangers of pedophilia.

 

[koshergrl]

If a really good lesbian had molested me in my early teens, you bet, she probably could have convinced me I was a lezbo too.

By the time I was getting hit on by homos, I was old enough to know that I had no interest in pursuing that lifestyle. Just as I have chosen to not follow through with men I have been attracted to, but knew I didn't want a relationship with .

It sounds like you could be indoctrinated. So, you were indoctrinated into heterosexuality?

The point being..it isn't genetic.

 

[ricechickie]

If a really good lesbian had molested me in my early teens, you bet, she probably could have convinced me I was a lezbo too.

By the time I was getting hit on by homos, I was old enough to know that I had no interest in pursuing that lifestyle. Just as I have chosen to not follow through with men I have been attracted to, but knew I didn't want a relationship with .

It sounds like you could be indoctrinated. So, you were indoctrinated into heterosexuality?

The point being..it isn't genetic.

Point being, you were indoctrinated into your sexuality, by your own words. You might have been manipulated into any other kind of sexuality, apparently.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

That's really funny, since you told me it was a "good idea" that I not respond to private messages from you, as you might get my info and see to it that I *never work with children* again.

Trying to remember why I took you off ignore. ...Oh ya. Erev Yom Kippur. Before we can ask God to forgive us of our sins we must forgive those who've sinned against us.

Yes, well, I know why you put me on ignore. It's because I'm right, you're a pig, and that when you read my posts, you are forced to face the fact that pedophilia is not just *love*, and perversion is truly perversion.

BTW, pedos are about 10-15 IQ points lower than normal people, and shorter, for some reason.

Saw the IQ thing. Dunno what that's about. Maybe a 'more instinctual' than 'more thoughtful' thing? Higher IQ means more study, lower less study. If you've studied you can probably think through temptations better than those who haven't. Something like that.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

IQ tests I've taken consistently put me in the 125-130 range. Would be much higher but I suck at math. And I'm 6'2".

 

[shart_attack]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

I can speak with some knowledge about how difficult it is to get funding for a politically touchy subject. It's career suicide to go against prevailing orthodoxy and so most reseachers investigate other topics. Academia leans waaaaay Left, there is a sympathy for stigmatized groups. there is a lot of agenda driven researched focused on lessening stigma, so any research which strengthens stigma is going to make a lot of fierce enemies for the researcher(s) who manage to get published.

Career suicide to publish on racial, sexual or orientation differences. This means that our understanding is skewed by bias which exists before research is even launched. It a question can't be asked, then you're never going to get an answer to that question.

Notice I don't use my real name While I'm not unwilling to speak truth to stupid, I'd just as soon skip the death threats and hate mail.

Such bravery.

Imagine that.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Very true. But last time I checked there was no inherent societal risk associated with declaring as black or gay.. At least not any I want to discuss here.

It's the equivalent of saying "I'm dangerously mentally incompetent but you need to serve me, hire me and respect me" or I might go postal on your kids...

There's no risk to you if you hire a pedophile accountant in your rock quarry company. Right? You can't fire a woman because she's pregnant, or a woman, you can't fire a black guy because he's black, you can't fire an epileptic because he's epileptic, you can't fire a homosexual because he's a homosexual, you can't fire a Mulsim because he's a Muslim, you can't fire a depressed person because he's depressed, but you can fire a pedoph8ile for being a pedophile.

I can understand why people want to reserve the right to fire a pedophile for being a pedophile - they want to make a statement, they don't want to be near that person. These reasons also apply to people who want to fire homosexuals - they want to make a statement and they don't want to be near them. Why is it correct for government to force people who are disgusted with homosexuals to associate with them and not force people who are disgusted by pedophiles to do the same?

Rik, I believe the Americans with Disabilities Act would preclude one from firing a person for being a pedophile.

Another Act I find unconstitutional by the way.

The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990 and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 prohibit discrimination against otherwise qualified individuals with mental disabilities, in areas such as employment, education and medical care. Congress, however, explicitly excluded pedophilia from protection under these two crucial laws.​

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/ada.html

I don't see that exception.

(b) CERTAIN CONDITIONS- Under this Act, the term `disability' shall not include--

(1) transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, gender identity disorders not resulting from physical impairments, or other sexual behavior disorders;​

I stand corrected

 

[Delta4Embassy]

There's no risk to you if you hire a pedophile accountant in your rock quarry company. Right? You can't fire a woman because she's pregnant, or a woman, you can't fire a black guy because he's black, you can't fire an epileptic because he's epileptic, you can't fire a homosexual because he's a homosexual, you can't fire a Mulsim because he's a Muslim, you can't fire a depressed person because he's depressed, but you can fire a pedoph8ile for being a pedophile.

I can understand why people want to reserve the right to fire a pedophile for being a pedophile - they want to make a statement, they don't want to be near that person. These reasons also apply to people who want to fire homosexuals - they want to make a statement and they don't want to be near them. Why is it correct for government to force people who are disgusted with homosexuals to associate with them and not force people who are disgusted by pedophiles to do the same?

Rik, I believe the Americans with Disabilities Act would preclude one from firing a person for being a pedophile.

Another Act I find unconstitutional by the way.

The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990 and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 prohibit discrimination against otherwise qualified individuals with mental disabilities, in areas such as employment, education and medical care. Congress, however, explicitly excluded pedophilia from protection under these two crucial laws.​

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/ada.html

I don't see that exception.

(b) CERTAIN CONDITIONS- Under this Act, the term `disability' shall not include--

(1) transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, gender identity disorders not resulting from physical impairments, or other sexual behavior disorders;​

I stand corrected

Gotta give proprs to those who admit their mistakes and move on. (casts meaningful look at someone, they know who they are.)

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Pedophilia is not the same as skin color.

Genetically speaking what makes pedophilia different from homosexuality or heterosexuality?

Not a thing. One chooses one's sexuality.

Incorrect

One chooses to ACT on one's sexuality. In my single years I was partial to blondes < 5'5" tall with rocking hard bodies, that doesn't mean I chose to sleep with everyone of them I see.

See, I couldn't help being attracted to blondes <5'5" tall with nice bodies, but I COULD choose not to have sex with them.