Pedophilia Deserves Civil Rights, Says New York Times’ Op-ed

[ChrisL]

Regarding the lesbo/pedophilia thing, I was a program manager for group homes for diminished capacity sex offenders.

You'd be amazed how many diminished capacity lesbian sex offenders there are out there. And you would never in a million years know they're diminished capacity. They have things like ADHD and PTSD (from being molested themselves) etc.

I know they exist, but they are pretty rare. Most oftentimes it is men who commit sexual abuse crimes against children/teenagers.

 

[Silhouette]

I know they exist, but they are pretty rare. Most oftentimes it is men who commit sexual abuse crimes against children/teenagers.

Per capita , gay's offend children many times more than heteros. There really is an "epidemic" of this in the LGBT culture..

Why would we assume that molested abused-abuser lesbians are rare when their gay male counterpart #s are at an epidemic level?

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Mayo Clinic 2007

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46......
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Hmm, ok, will do this the old-fashioned way.

> ChrisL, one of many 'impartial' sources for information you exhibited an interest in.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

FAQ-like presentation on homosexuality and how it relates to pedophilia and child sexual abuse.

Okay, but this one is biased in the OTHER direction. The author is the writer of a blog about homophobia.

I would like to see an impartial study that was performed by, say, a university, perhaps more than one study, and one that was peer reviewed.

Another thing about "studies" is that there are always other studies to contradict that study's findings. It gets confusing and it's important to know how they conducted study, what were the questions asked, how were the questions asked, the size of the sample, etc. ALL of those things are important to determine the efficacy of the study IMO, because anyone can find any "study" or "article" that agrees with them when it comes to something as complicated as CSA.

Not as thorough or to-point as the UC Davis one, a more specifcly addressing pedophilia one here,
Pessimism About Pedophilia - Harvard Health Publications

Trying to find a great forensic psychology one but to understand the challenge you'd have to see my bookmarks file(s) Am working on it.

 

[ChrisL]

I know they exist, but they are pretty rare. Most oftentimes it is men who commit sexual abuse crimes against children/teenagers.

Per capita , gay's offend children many times more than heteros. There really is an "epidemic" of this in the LGBT culture..

Why would we assume that molested abused-abuser lesbians are rare when their gay male counterpart #s are at an epidemic level?

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Mayo Clinic 2007

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46......
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

We aren't assuming. There are statistics, and statistically speaking, women offenders are less than 10% of all offenses. That is very LOW.

 

[Silhouette]

We aren't assuming. There are statistics, and statistically speaking, women offenders are less than 10% of all offenses. That is very LOW.

And the gay men? You have no opinion about them right?

http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf
Mayo Clinic Special Article 2007

Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age rangeand/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia),or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia).3,6,10,29 The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Not the one I have bookmarked, somewhere, but skimming it it's better and much more thorough.

PsychiatryOnline FOCUS The Journal of Lifelong Learning in Psychiatry A Profile of Pedophilia Definition Characteristics of Offenders Recidivism Treatment Outcomes and Forensic Issues

Key sections include:

PERSONALITY TRAITS OF THE PEDOPHILE
WHAT MAKES A PEDOPHILE?

Some very technical jargon but very thorough presentations.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I know they exist, but they are pretty rare. Most oftentimes it is men who commit sexual abuse crimes against children/teenagers.

Per capita , gay's offend children many times more than heteros. There really is an "epidemic" of this in the LGBT culture..

Why would we assume that molested abused-abuser lesbians are rare when their gay male counterpart #s are at an epidemic level?

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Mayo Clinic 2007

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46......
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

We aren't assuming. There are statistics, and statistically speaking, women offenders are less than 10% of all offenses. That is very LOW.

Between 1 and 5% in what I've read.

 

[koshergrl]

Re KosherGrl's thing about lesbians molest. So few women engage in pedophilic behaviours that it hasn't even been studied yet. And of those that have, only a tiny fraction are likely lesbian.

Statistics of pedophilic offenders prove the overwhelming majority are heterosexual.

Sure, there are more heteros than there are homos.

But a homo is many times more likely to be a pederast than a hetero.

Yes, but this is actual incarcerated offenders. Of those, most are heterosexual.

Pederasty isn't synonymous with pedophilia. Was what we call mentoring today. Included sex, but wasn't solely about it.

Yes, nobody has ever denied that there are more hetero child molesters, because there are more heteros.

But homos are more likely to be pedophiles than heteros.

Impossible to prove who's more likely. All we can say for sure is of CSA convicts, most are heterosexual.

It's not impossible, you nitwit. 5 percent of the population is committing 35 percent of the crime. Think about it. It's ******* math, and it isn't an opinion. Opinion would be to say that this only represents the tip of the iceburg, because a lot of the kids being raped by homos aren't reported because the schools and planned parenthood protect their molesters under the false belief that children have the *right* to have sex with older people, and homosexuality in young kids is *normal*.

 

[koshergrl]

But I feel compelled to state, because I know the fuzzy thinking that goes on around here...I have never maintained that pedophiles should be denied their civil (or their human) rights. Though of course they lose many of those rights when they are busted.

 

[koshergrl]

On the other hand, it's a violation of my civil and human rights to force me to associate with an admitted pedophile.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

But I feel compelled to state, because I know the fuzzy thinking that goes on around here...I have never maintained that pedophiles should be denied their civil (or their human) rights. Though of course they lose many of those rights when they are busted.

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

 

[Marianne]

Just how FUCKED UP MENTALLY, can Liberals get...read about it in the N.Y. SLIMES!!!

Daily Caller ^

The nation’s tough anti-pedophilia laws are unfair to pedophiles, according to an op-ed published by The New York Times’ editors. “One can live with pedophilia and not act on it,” says Margo Kaplan, an entrepreneurial assistant law professor at Rutgers University, and a former lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union. Tragically, the roughly 1 percent of “people who are sexually attracted to children] must hide their disorder from everyone they know — or risk losing educational and job opportunities, and face the prospect of harassment and even violence,” she wrote.....

Yes they can not act on it the same way the rest of us don't act on it, hmmm whats the rate of unwanted pregnancy's? It's not unfair to pedo's. That kind can't be cured and they don't stop. Their urges aren't any different from yours or mine it's just their preference is toward children. Who wants to take that chance? I sure has hell don't. Round them up and give them their own gated community. People can go in but they can't leave.

 

[Silhouette]

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

That's like saying "tigers on the loose aren't illegal. It's just when they start killing people and their pets that it becomes illegal".

There's a very thin line between a pedophile and the act of pedophilia. They are some of the most aggressive and intractable of the sexual orientations we find under the LGBTQ umbrella.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Re sex with young teenage girls, there are studies out that show there are long term health consequences for those actions, involving cancers and other chronic problems, so no, it's not a 'good idea' and early development does not equate to being 'ready' for sex at 14 or whatever.

I think I know which studies you're referring to and the conclusion don't support the notion that sex at 14 or 15 or so leads to bad outcomes, rather it's sexual promiscuity starting at such a young age that lead to bad outcomes. Someone like Loretta Lynn getting married at 13 and being faithful to her husband leads to a different outcome than Traci Lords getting into the porn business at 15.

 

[koshergrl]

But I feel compelled to state, because I know the fuzzy thinking that goes on around here...I have never maintained that pedophiles should be denied their civil (or their human) rights. Though of course they lose many of those rights when they are busted.

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

I'm not sure anyone ever said they weren't entitled to civil rights.

But choosing not to associate with an admitted pedophile isn't violating their civil rights. Nor is refusing to hire one.

 

[ChrisL]

I know they exist, but they are pretty rare. Most oftentimes it is men who commit sexual abuse crimes against children/teenagers.

Per capita , gay's offend children many times more than heteros. There really is an "epidemic" of this in the LGBT culture..

Why would we assume that molested abused-abuser lesbians are rare when their gay male counterpart #s are at an epidemic level?

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Mayo Clinic 2007

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46......
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

The Mayo Clinic study looks to be a good unbiased one. Thanks for that. I am currently looking at it now.

Interesting that they found higher levels of cognitive impairment among the bisexual and homosexual population. I still didn't see anywhere where it states that it is more prevalent among homosexuals yet though, but I'll have to finish looking at it later.

 

[ChrisL]

But I feel compelled to state, because I know the fuzzy thinking that goes on around here...I have never maintained that pedophiles should be denied their civil (or their human) rights. Though of course they lose many of those rights when they are busted.

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

I'm not sure anyone ever said they weren't entitled to civil rights.

But choosing not to associate with an admitted pedophile isn't violating their civil rights. Nor is refusing to hire one.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to associate with a pedophile, especially if they have children. Anyone who would suggest such a thing is ridiculous and should be laughed at and never taken seriously.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

That's like saying "tigers on the loose aren't illegal. It's just when they start killing people and their pets that it becomes illegal".

There's a very thin line between a pedophile and the act of pedophilia. They are some of the most aggressive and intractable of the sexual orientations we find under the LGBTQ umbrella.

The act of pedophilia is loving children. That's it's become synonymous with child sexual abuse is unfortunate as most who work with children are pedophiles.

Word wasn't coined to describe sex with children. It's become that but in the same way 'terrorist' has become synonymous with arabs or Muslims.

"pedophilia (n.) Look up pedophilia at Dictionary.com
1900, from Greek pais (genitive paidos) "child" (see pedo-) + philos "loving" see -phile). First attested in an abstract of a report by Krafft-Ebing."

Lovers of children who're strictly defined pedophiles include teachers, daycare center operators, those pohotographers who come to public school for picture days, etc. to say nothing of those who advocate the protection of children and the punishing of child sexual abusers, the antithesis of pedophile. Not loving children if you're harming them.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Re sex with young teenage girls, there are studies out that show there are long term health consequences for those actions, involving cancers and other chronic problems, so no, it's not a 'good idea' and early development does not equate to being 'ready' for sex at 14 or whatever.

I think I know which studies you're referring to and the conclusion don't support the notion that sex at 14 or 15 or so leads to bad outcomes, rather it's sexual promiscuity starting at such a young age that lead to bad outcomes. Someone like Loretta Lynn getting married at 13 and being faithful to her husband leads to a different outcome than Traci Lords getting into the porn business at 15.

Sex with teens isn't pedophilia, it's child sexual abuse.

 

[koshergrl]

Pedophilia isn't illegal so of course they're entitled to civil rights like everyone else.

Child sexual abusers on the other hand, are breaking the law, and even if it weren't illegal it's still immoral and unethical.

That's like saying "tigers on the loose aren't illegal. It's just when they start killing people and their pets that it becomes illegal".

There's a very thin line between a pedophile and the act of pedophilia. They are some of the most aggressive and intractable of the sexual orientations we find under the LGBTQ umbrella.

The act of pedophilia is loving children. That's it's become synonymous with child sexual abuse is unfortunate as most who work with children are pedophiles.

Word wasn't coined to describe sex with children. It's become that but in the same way 'terrorist' has become synonymous with arabs or Muslims.

"pedophilia (n.) Look up pedophilia at Dictionary.com
1900, from Greek pais (genitive paidos) "child" (see pedo-) + philos "loving" see -phile). First attested in an abstract of a report by Krafft-Ebing."

Lovers of children who're strictly defined pedophiles include teachers, daycare center operators, those pohotographers who come to public school for picture days, etc. to say nothing of those who advocate the protection of children and the punishing of child sexual abusers, the antithesis of pedophile. Not loving children if you're harming them.

Yes, thank you. Those of us who have worked in the abused population have heard this garbage before.