Pedophilia Deserves Civil Rights, Says New York Times’ Op-ed

[Slyhunter]

Besides, nobody said pedos belonged in jail for fantasizing about raping infants.

All we said is that it's right for society to censure them. They certainly shouldn't be encouraged.

Personally I think they should be encouraged to identify themselves, so that we can treat them via chemical castration.

It isn't an effective treatment. It just stops them from getting woodies. They still fantasize about victimizing children.

You're right. My father had prostate cancer that made him unable to get a hardon. He used a pen on his second daughter. Some people belong in jail.

Doesn't change my position on those who were simply born with a predilection and haven't harmed anyone yet.

 

[Slyhunter]

Statistics has proven that a black person is more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person. So I'd be justified in discriminating against blacks for the same reason you discriminate against pedophiles who haven't, as of yet, harmed anyone.

No you wouldnt. Your logic is not making sense. A pedo is confessing he has a predisposition to harm a child. There is no guessing about it. Since 100% of all blacks do not commit violent crime you are way off base in your comparison.

No, he is fantasizing about having sex with a child. It is your opinion that it is harming one, that is another argument. It is illegal and if he actual did it he should go to jail, but as long as he's fantasizing about it why should he have to go to jail?

I fantasize about robbing banks everytime I do my budget. So should I go to jail for bank robbery even though I've never robbed a bank?

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Then why should I have to work with a homo or a black?

 

[Asclepias]

No you wouldnt. Your logic is not making sense. A pedo is confessing he has a predisposition to harm a child. There is no guessing about it. Since 100% of all blacks do not commit violent crime you are way off base in your comparison.

No, he is fantasizing about having sex with a child. It is your opinion that it is harming one, that is another argument. It is illegal and if he actual did it he should go to jail, but as long as he's fantasizing about it why should he have to go to jail?

I fantasize about robbing banks everytime I do my budget. So should I go to jail for bank robbery even though I've never robbed a bank?

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Unless they're black right hypocrite?

Even if they are Black. You are free to quit your job any moment now.

 

[Asclepias]

No you wouldnt. Your logic is not making sense. A pedo is confessing he has a predisposition to harm a child. There is no guessing about it. Since 100% of all blacks do not commit violent crime you are way off base in your comparison.

No, he is fantasizing about having sex with a child. It is your opinion that it is harming one, that is another argument. It is illegal and if he actual did it he should go to jail, but as long as he's fantasizing about it why should he have to go to jail?

I fantasize about robbing banks everytime I do my budget. So should I go to jail for bank robbery even though I've never robbed a bank?

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Then why should I have to work with a homo or a black?

You shouldn't if you dont want to. Dont whine about the consequences though.

 

[koshergrl]

Besides, nobody said pedos belonged in jail for fantasizing about raping infants.

All we said is that it's right for society to censure them. They certainly shouldn't be encouraged.

Personally I think they should be encouraged to identify themselves, so that we can treat them via chemical castration.

It isn't an effective treatment. It just stops them from getting woodies. They still fantasize about victimizing children.

You're right. My father had prostate cancer that made him unable to get a hardon. He used a pen on his second daughter. Some people belong in jail.

Doesn't change my position on those who were simply born with a predilection and haven't harmed anyone yet.

I know I'm right.

And they aren't born with that predilection.

 

[Asclepias]

Only if the blacks admitted they wanted to commit acts of violence. Your logic doesn't fly.

But that's nothing new.

You are dumb

Being a pedo is not a crime. Acting on those urges is.

Have you ever thought "I'd like to kill so and so?" Of course you have, everyone has, unless you actually attempt to act on those thoughts, no harm no foul.

Thinking you would like to kill is not the same as having thoughts associated to the strongest urge known to man.

I want to rob a bank.

Did you experience a sexual thrill and was a child a potential victim of your crime where they could be harmed physically or emotionally through direct or indirect sexual contact?

eeech.
My father was a pedophile that got away with having sex with my sister but I didn't know it until I was in my 20's. He's in jail now for having sex with his second daughter. He was given a second chance and he screwed it up and did it again so this time he was busted and imprisoned.

I understand the desire. I don't understand the betrayal of your own daughter to express that desire.

Like I said I'm bi-polar. I know anxiety attacks. I know manic episodes. I know how your emotions can overwhelm you. But you don't have to let them control your actions.

I don't blame my father for having the desire. I do blame him for being his daughters protagonist instead of her protector.

Do you think its possible your experience has anything to do with you being bipolar? Callatoral damage?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

No, he is fantasizing about having sex with a child. It is your opinion that it is harming one, that is another argument. It is illegal and if he actual did it he should go to jail, but as long as he's fantasizing about it why should he have to go to jail?

I fantasize about robbing banks everytime I do my budget. So should I go to jail for bank robbery even though I've never robbed a bank?

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Unless they're black right hypocrite?

Even if they are Black. You are free to quit your job any moment now.

I own the restaurant fool. I can now hang a sign outside that says "no pedos and no blacks" right?

 

[Silhouette]

Why are we being so bigoted towards this poor group's natural sexual orientation?

It isn't an effective treatment. It just stops them from getting woodies. They still fantasize about victimizing children.

"Victimizing" is such a strong word. I think the politically-correct phrase that is NAMBLA-approved is "teaching children the joys of physical love".
Here's a photo from a gay pride parade a few years back...

 

[koshergrl]

You are dumb

Being a pedo is not a crime. Acting on those urges is.

Have you ever thought "I'd like to kill so and so?" Of course you have, everyone has, unless you actually attempt to act on those thoughts, no harm no foul.

Thinking you would like to kill is not the same as having thoughts associated to the strongest urge known to man.

I want to rob a bank.

Did you experience a sexual thrill and was a child a potential victim of your crime where they could be harmed physically or emotionally through direct or indirect sexual contact?

eeech.
My father was a pedophile that got away with having sex with my sister but I didn't know it until I was in my 20's. He's in jail now for having sex with his second daughter. He was given a second chance and he screwed it up and did it again so this time he was busted and imprisoned.

I understand the desire. I don't understand the betrayal of your own daughter to express that desire.

Like I said I'm bi-polar. I know anxiety attacks. I know manic episodes. I know how your emotions can overwhelm you. But you don't have to let them control your actions.

I don't blame my father for having the desire. I do blame him for being his daughters protagonist instead of her protector.

I blame you for not killing your father. Seriously.

Naw, you don't want kids killing their parents. They end up going to prison forever for it, and they never have a chance to make it.

Almost all regicides are committed by children who have a distorted sense of inescapability and immediate fear...being children they feel trapped in an unbearable situation, they are afraid, and they feel their only way out is to kill their parent. Don't feed into that..and we feed into it by making sex abuse of a child into this huge monster that is like the WORST THING EVER THAT ANY CHILD CAN BE SUBJECTED TO. It's wrong to pretend they can't overcome it except via murder.

And it does them no favors, it just plays into the mindset that they must kill someone...one of the things that abused children have to deal with all their lives is an increased sense of danger and horror, all the time. They have an overstimulated "danger" mechanism and it causes them all sorts of grief. What you try to do with victims of sex abuse is reassure them that it ISN'T the end of the world, that they CAN resume a normal life, and they CAN be happy.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Thinking you would like to kill is not the same as having thoughts associated to the strongest urge known to man.

I want to rob a bank.

Did you experience a sexual thrill and was a child a potential victim of your crime where they could be harmed physically or emotionally through direct or indirect sexual contact?

eeech.
My father was a pedophile that got away with having sex with my sister but I didn't know it until I was in my 20's. He's in jail now for having sex with his second daughter. He was given a second chance and he screwed it up and did it again so this time he was busted and imprisoned.

I understand the desire. I don't understand the betrayal of your own daughter to express that desire.

Like I said I'm bi-polar. I know anxiety attacks. I know manic episodes. I know how your emotions can overwhelm you. But you don't have to let them control your actions.

I don't blame my father for having the desire. I do blame him for being his daughters protagonist instead of her protector.

I blame you for not killing your father. Seriously.

Naw, you don't want kids killing their parents. They end up going to prison forever for it, and they never have a chance to make it.

Almost all regicides are committed by children who have a distorted sense of inescapability and immediate fear...being children they feel trapped in an unbearable situation, they are afraid, and they feel their only way out is to kill their parent. Don't feed into that..and we feed into it by making sex abuse of a child into this huge monster that is like the WORST THING EVER THAT ANY CHILD CAN BE SUBJECTED TO. It's wrong to pretend they can't overcome it except via murder.

And it does them no favors, it just plays into the mindset that they must kill someone...one of the things that abused children have to deal with all their lives is an increased sense of danger and horror, all the time. They have an overstimulated "danger" mechanism and it causes them all sorts of grief. What you try to do with victims of sex abuse is reassure them that it ISN'T the end of the world, that they CAN resume a normal life, and they CAN be happy.

I meant, as a twenty something old when he found his father had molested his sister. In that situation, I would have killed my own father. Consequences to myself be damned.

Luckily , my father isn't a freak and I never had to make that decision.

 

[MaryL]

Heterosexuals have children. Gays and pedophiles are exploiting them to further their issues, plain pure and simple. The supreme court my bippy, they seem to be out of touch with American populace big time. I hope they read this, which they wont......

 

[Silhouette]

What I want to know is, why has the LGBT community "across the nation and the world" picked a pedophile, Harvey Milk, as there messiah? Seems an odd choice. But then again, that was Harvey Milk's sexual orientation and you know how you're not allowed to pass judgment on anyone's sexual orientation. The OP of this thread should be careful. Conversations like this are not going to be allowed in the near future...

 

[Slyhunter]

No, he is fantasizing about having sex with a child. It is your opinion that it is harming one, that is another argument. It is illegal and if he actual did it he should go to jail, but as long as he's fantasizing about it why should he have to go to jail?

I fantasize about robbing banks everytime I do my budget. So should I go to jail for bank robbery even though I've never robbed a bank?

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Unless they're black right hypocrite?

Even if they are Black. You are free to quit your job any moment now.

What if I own the business, don't I have the right to not hire either of them? Freedom of association.

 

[Slyhunter]

Besides, nobody said pedos belonged in jail for fantasizing about raping infants.

All we said is that it's right for society to censure them. They certainly shouldn't be encouraged.

Personally I think they should be encouraged to identify themselves, so that we can treat them via chemical castration.

It isn't an effective treatment. It just stops them from getting woodies. They still fantasize about victimizing children.

You're right. My father had prostate cancer that made him unable to get a hardon. He used a pen on his second daughter. Some people belong in jail.

Doesn't change my position on those who were simply born with a predilection and haven't harmed anyone yet.

I know I'm right.

And they aren't born with that predilection.

How do you KNOW? What makes you such an expert?

 

[Slyhunter]

You are dumb

Being a pedo is not a crime. Acting on those urges is.

Have you ever thought "I'd like to kill so and so?" Of course you have, everyone has, unless you actually attempt to act on those thoughts, no harm no foul.

Thinking you would like to kill is not the same as having thoughts associated to the strongest urge known to man.

I want to rob a bank.

Did you experience a sexual thrill and was a child a potential victim of your crime where they could be harmed physically or emotionally through direct or indirect sexual contact?

eeech.
My father was a pedophile that got away with having sex with my sister but I didn't know it until I was in my 20's. He's in jail now for having sex with his second daughter. He was given a second chance and he screwed it up and did it again so this time he was busted and imprisoned.

I understand the desire. I don't understand the betrayal of your own daughter to express that desire.

Like I said I'm bi-polar. I know anxiety attacks. I know manic episodes. I know how your emotions can overwhelm you. But you don't have to let them control your actions.

I don't blame my father for having the desire. I do blame him for being his daughters protagonist instead of her protector.

Do you think its possible your experience has anything to do with you being bipolar? Callatoral damage?

Doctor says it's chemical.
Risperidone wouldn't work on me if it wasn't chemical.

 

[Slyhunter]

What I want to know is, why has the LGBT community "across the nation and the world" picked a pedophile, Harvey Milk, as there messiah? Seems an odd choice. But then again, that was Harvey Milk's sexual orientation and you know how you're not allowed to pass judgment on anyone's sexual orientation. The OP of this thread should be careful. Conversations like this are not going to be allowed in the near future...

Do you have a search and find worm watching for when anyone mentions Harvey Milk? Damn this is like the third site I've been on and you pop on.

 

[flacaltenn]

Got a question for ANYONE here. If you cant diagnose pedo in folks who havent acted on urges or gathered up kiddy porn, what good is ANY of this discussion? Do we know what percent of these latent pedosnever commit a crime? No. Can we find out how many there are? No.

Why do these people need special attention? Because EVERY REAL pedo graduates from this IMAGINARY class. And the only reason for that op ed is to pretend that there are are GOOD pedos and BAD pedos. And to INFER that the vast majority is harmless. Where are the numbers to support that fantasy?

 

[Silhouette]

Got a question for ANYONE here. If you cant diagnose pedo in folks who havent acted on urges or gathered up kiddy porn, what good is ANY of this discussion? Do we know what percent of these latent pedosnever commit a crime? No. Can we find out how many there are? No.

Why do these people need special attention? Because EVERY REAL pedo graduates from this IMAGINARY class. And the only reason for that op ed is to pretend that there are are GOOD pedos and BAD pedos. And to INFER that the vast majority is harmless. Where are the numbers to support that fantasy?

Well, with all those antics in the pride parades, they're going to have to start softening the general public to "the idea that there are some good people interested in exposing children to sex". What else can they do? Walk all those photos and common knowledge back at the 11th hour in order to gain access to adoptable vulnerable orphans? I mean, their messiah Harvey Milk was sodomizing a minor teen boy while officiating as his father figure/guardian. They're gonna have to whitewash that somehow...

 

[Asclepias]

Thinking you would like to kill is not the same as having thoughts associated to the strongest urge known to man.

I want to rob a bank.

Did you experience a sexual thrill and was a child a potential victim of your crime where they could be harmed physically or emotionally through direct or indirect sexual contact?

eeech.
My father was a pedophile that got away with having sex with my sister but I didn't know it until I was in my 20's. He's in jail now for having sex with his second daughter. He was given a second chance and he screwed it up and did it again so this time he was busted and imprisoned.

I understand the desire. I don't understand the betrayal of your own daughter to express that desire.

Like I said I'm bi-polar. I know anxiety attacks. I know manic episodes. I know how your emotions can overwhelm you. But you don't have to let them control your actions.

I don't blame my father for having the desire. I do blame him for being his daughters protagonist instead of her protector.

Do you think its possible your experience has anything to do with you being bipolar? Callatoral damage?

Doctor says it's chemical.
Risperidone wouldn't work on me if it wasn't chemical.

You dont think traumatic events can alter chemistry in your brain?

 

[Asclepias]

I didnt say they should have to go to jail. I said they shouldn't whine about being ostracized and not protected by the law.

As long as your desire to rob a bank is not your only mode of sexually gratification and there are no children involved, I dont see the problem.

well damn why are we arguing in circles then? All the op is saying that pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted for admitting they want to have sex with children as long as they have not actually tried to have sex with children.

Second argument; do you have the right to refuse to work with one. Only if I can refuse to work with a homo.

Are you sure the op didnt mean persecuted? Of course. Its illegal to prosecute someone without a crime being committed. That doesn't mean I have to work with them or tolerate them in my presence.

Unless they're black right hypocrite?

Even if they are Black. You are free to quit your job any moment now.

What if I own the business, don't I have the right to not hire either of them? Freedom of association.

Not according to law you dont. Of course you can be slick and do it anyway.