Pearl Harbor and the Deceptions of War.

[DiveCon]

Rothschild bankers. Same as today.

man, those Rothschilds were some busy evil bastards

 

[Sunni Man]

man, those Rothschilds were some busy evil bastards

That's a true statement!!

The Rothschilds are rabid Zionist Jews who have created havoc all over the world.

 

[DiveCon]

That's a true statement!!

The Rothschilds are rabid Zionist Jews who have created havoc all over the world.

no, it isnt

it was SARCASM

 

[sylverfoxx]

They don't seem to have much luck in asia do they ?

Yeah, they`re doing pretty well in Asia too.




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[dilloduck]

Rothschild bankers. Same as today.

If that is true, we are screwed. After this fiasco I imagine they are in dire need of a distraction.

 

[sylverfoxx]

If that is true, we are screwed. After this fiasco I imagine they are in dire need of a distraction.

I think you are exactly right.

 

[dilloduck]

I think you are exactly right.

I was serious about the Asian connection too. I'm really interested how Hong Kong thing went down---i mean REALLY.

 

[sylverfoxx]

I was serious about the Asian connection too. I'm really interested how Hong Kong thing went down---i mean REALLY.

You`ll have to bring me up to speed on the Hong Kong thing.

 

[dilloduck]

You`ll have to bring me up to speed on the Hong Kong thing.

The British Colony reverting to Chinese control---but it's way past my bed time.--------

 

[sylverfoxx]

The British Colony reverting to Chinese control---but it's way past my bed time.--------

I`ll have to check into that

 

[sylverfoxx]

I was serious about the Asian connection too. I'm really interested how Hong Kong thing went down---i mean REALLY.

This is a pretty lengthy description of the Asian Crisis but what is interesting is the IMF involvement and in particular George (Schwartz) Soros` personal involvement. As I was reading this I had to do a double take to see if the article was describing the current US financial situation or the Asian crisis of 1996-97? Sounds like dejavu all over again!
I don`t know if this is what caused Hong Kong to revert back to Chinese control or not but you can bet the farm if Rothschild`s IMF has their greedy fingers in it it can`t be good.
I`m sure we`re in for a similar fate!

George Soros and the Rothschilds Connection
By Jan Von Helsing ("Secret Societies and their Power in the 20th Century")
George Soros and the Rothschild Connection

Many economists believe that the Asian crisis was created not by market psychology or technology, but by policies that distorted incentives within the lender-borrower relationship. The resulting large quantities of credit that became available generated a highly-leveraged economic climate, and pushed up asset prices to an unsustainable level.[9] These asset prices eventually began to collapse, causing individuals and companies to default on debt obligations. The resulting panic among lenders led to a large withdrawal of credit from the crisis countries, causing a credit crunch and further bankruptcies. In addition, as investors attempted to withdraw their money, the exchange market was flooded with the currencies of the crisis countries, putting depreciative pressure on their exchange rates. In order to prevent a collapse of the currency values, these countries' governments were forced to raise domestic interest rates to exceedingly high levels (to help diminish the flight of capital by making lending to that country relatively more attractive to investors) and to intervene in the exchange market, buying up any excess domestic currency at the fixed exchange rate with foreign reserves. Neither of these policy responses could be sustained for long. Very high interest rates, which can be extremely damaging to an economy that is relatively healthy, wreaked further havoc on economies in an already fragile state, while the central banks were hemorrhaging foreign reserves, of which they had finite amounts. When it became clear that the tide of capital fleeing these countries was not to be stopped, the authorities ceased defending their fixed exchange rates and allowed their currencies to float. The resulting depreciated value of those currencies meant that foreign currency-denominated liabilities grew substantially in domestic currency terms, causing more bankruptcies and further deepening the crisis.
Other economists, including Joseph Stiglitz and Jeffrey Sachs, have downplayed the role of the real economy in the crisis compared to the financial markets due to the speed of the crisis. The rapidity with which the crisis happened has prompted Sachs and others to compare it to a classic bank run prompted by a sudden risk shock. Sachs pointed to strict monetary and contractory fiscal policies implemented by the governments on the advice of the IMF in the wake of the crisis, while Frederic Mishkin points to the role of asymmetric information in the financial markets that led to a "herd mentality" among investors that magnified a relatively small risk in the real economy. The crisis had thus attracted interest from behavioral economists interested in market psychology. Another possible cause of the sudden risk shock may also be attributable to the handover of Hong Kong sovereignty on 1 July 1997. During the 1990s, hot money flew into the Southeast Asia region but investors were often ignorant of the actual fundamentals or risk profiles of the respective economies. The uncertainty regarding the future of Hong Kong led investors to shrink even further away from Asia, exacerbating economic conditions in the area (subsequently leading to the devaluation of the Thai baht on 2 July 1997).[10]
The foreign ministers of the 10 ASEAN countries believed that the well co-ordinated manipulation of currencies was a deliberate attempt to destabilize the ASEAN economies. Former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad accused George Soros of ruining Malaysia's economy with "massive currency speculation." (Soros appeared to have had his bets in against the Asian currency devaluations, incurring a loss when the crisis hit.) At the 30th ASEAN Ministerial Meeting held in Subang Jaya, Malaysia, they issued a joint declaration on 25 July 1997 expressing serious concern and called for further intensification of ASEAN's cooperation to safeguard and promote ASEAN's interest in this regard.[11] Coincidentally, on that same day, the central bankers of most of the affected countries were at the EMEAP (Executive Meeting of East Asia Pacific) meeting in Shanghai, and they failed to make the 'New Arrangement to Borrow' operational. A year earlier, the finance ministers of these same countries had attended the 3rd APEC finance ministers meeting in Kyoto, Japan on 17 March 1996, and according to that joint declaration, they had been unable to double the amounts available under the 'General Agreement to Borrow' and the 'Emergency Finance Mechanism'. As such, the crisis could be seen as the failure to adequately build capacity in time to prevent Currency Manipulation. This hypothesis enjoyed little support among economists, however, who argue that no single investor could have had enough impact on the market to successfully manipulate the currencies' values. In addition, the level of organization necessary to coordinate a massive exodus of investors from Southeast Asian currencies in order to manipulate their values rendered this possibility remote.
[edit]IMF role

Such was the scope and the severity of the collapses involved that outside intervention, considered by many as a new kind of colonialism,[12] became urgently needed. Since the countries melting down were among not only the richest in their region, but in the world, and since hundreds of billions of dollars were at stake, any response to the crisis had to be cooperative and international, in this case through the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The IMF created a series of bailouts ("rescue packages") for the most affected economies to enable affected nations to avoid default, tying the packages to reforms that were intended to make the restored Asian currency, banking, and financial systems as much like those of the United States and Europe as possible. In other words, the IMF's support was conditional on a series of drastic economic reforms influenced by neoliberal economic principles called a "structural adjustment package" (SAP). The SAPs called on crisis-struck nations to cut back on government spending to reduce deficits, allow insolvent banks and financial institutions to fail, and aggressively raise interest rates. The reasoning was that these steps would restore confidence in the nations' fiscal solvency, penalize insolvent companies, and protect currency values. Above all, it was stipulated that IMF-funded capital had to be administered rationally in the future, with no favored parties receiving funds by preference. There were to be adequate government controls set up to supervise all financial activities, ones that were to be independent, in theory, of private interest. Insolvent institutions had to be closed, and insolvency itself had to be clearly defined. In short, exactly the same kinds of financial institutions found in the United States and Europe had to be created in Asia, as a condition for IMF support. In addition, financial systems had to become "transparent", that is, provide the kind of reliable financial information used in the West to make sound financial decisions.[13]
International Monetary Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RetiredGySgt]

FDR was under pressure by his string pullers to take Hitler down but they couldn`t provoke Germany into to going to war with the US so they put up a oil and steel blockade of Japan (who was at war with China and desperately needed these supplies to survive).
Japan made several unsuccessful attempts to negotiate with The US to lift the embargo.
Japan, Germany and Italy had signed an agreement that if any country attacked any one of these three then it was considered a declaration of war against ALL three. So after allowing the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US declared war on Japan and that opened the door to attack Hitler.

The US DID NOT declare war on Germany, not until AFTER Germany declared war on the US. Learn some real history.

 

[sylverfoxx]

The US DID NOT declare war on Germany, not until AFTER Germany declared war on the US. Learn some real history.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sylverfoxx
FDR was under pressure by his string pullers to take Hitler down but they couldn`t provoke Germany into to going to war with the US so they put up a oil and steel blockade of Japan (who was at war with China and desperately needed these supplies to survive).
Japan made several unsuccessful attempts to negotiate with The US to lift the embargo.
Japan, Germany and Italy had signed an agreement that if any country attacked any one of these three then it was considered a declaration of war against ALL three. So after allowing the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US declared war on Japan and that opened the door to attack Hitler.



Where in this post does it say anything about who declared war first, Germany or US?? Learn to read!

 

[eots]

man, those Rothschilds were some busy evil bastards

they had help from Rockefeller and Hurst...who just happens to own popular mechanics ..and is credited ..in the dictionary.. for being whom the term yellow journalism was coined

 

[BlackAsCoal]

they had help from Rockefeller and Hurst...who just happens to own popular mechanics ..and is credited ..in the dictionary.. for being whom the term yellow journalism was coined

I won't even begin to get into another fraud/deception that involved the Hurst owned Popular Mechanics .. but you are quite correct.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

ok well lets play with it for awhile---when did FDR know Pearl was going to be attacked, how did he know it and was he aware of the size of the Japanese armada ?

Lots and lots and lots of evidence that both FDR and Churchill knew the size and scope of the Japanese fleet. All it takes to discover this evidence is to look for it. In this day and age, there is no excuse for not knowing. They knew SIX MONTHS before the fleet ever left port.

If someone doesn't understand the relationship between FDR and Churchill, frankly, I'm not sure they know enough history to be having this conversation.

Seriously.

FDR and Churchill changed the world. Churchill, through his relationship with FDR, saved England from the brink. Had America not entered the war at the very moment it did, the British might be speaking German now .. maybe even you.

What FDR and Churchill did changed the scope of power and the American Century began in earnest.

There is no excuse for not knowing these truths .. and there is no excuse for discounting the words of Winston Churchill.

FDR knew .. there is no excuse for not knowing that.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The US DID NOT declare war on Germany, not until AFTER Germany declared war on the US. Learn some real history.

You didn't think this conversation belonged in general topics .. yet here you are.

Once again demonstrating you have no clue what you're talking about .. yet feel presumptious enough to profess someone else should learn "real history."

Laughable.

You wouldn't know real history if you tripped over it.

School is in right now Mr. "I can't think unless I'm told what to do"

 

[Paulie]

You didn't think this conversation belonged in general topics .. yet here you are.

Once again demonstrating you have no clue what you're talking about .. yet feel presumptious enough to profess someone else should learn "real history."

Laughable.

You wouldn't know real history if you tripped over it.

School is in right now Mr. "I can't think unless I'm told what to do"

That's RGS for ya.

It's not mainstream enough to be in regular forums, but it's still interesting enough to stay involved in the discussion.

 

[eots]

General Hamid Gul, the former head of the Pakistani ISI, told CNN yesterday that both the Mumbai attacks and 9/11 were “inside jobs,” much to the chagrin of host and CFR luminary Fareed Zakaria, who told viewers that Gul’s opinions were “absolutely wrong and thoroughly discredited”.

“When you look at the full spectrum of possibilities, who could have done it, then one knows that Samjhauta Express was a similar case, in which Pakistan ISI was accused. But it turned out that it was the militant Hindus themselves who had killed 68 passengers in that train, and that it was an inside job,” said Gul.


Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[editec]

Do I doubt that FDR and Churchill were conspiring to go to war?

Absolutely not.

Still there is no logical reason to imagine that FDR needed a crushing defeat at Pearl Harbor to go to war. All they needed was an attack on Pearl, not the destruction of most of the Pacific fleet.

And it also stretches my conspiracy elasticity somewhat to think that the entire chain of command was in on plot to ALLOW the Japanese this stunning victory on that bloody Sunday morning.