Paul Krugman "hits the nail on the head" in re: Obamacare

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Fact is that folks will still face BK because the copays and deductibles under the ACA are even higher than before. As usual BO is lying when he says the ACA will prevent folks going BK.

I had an affordable catastrophic insurance plan that covered everything after $5K deductible, with no cap. Those plans were made illegal by the ACA.

 

[Meister]

this is from 2013

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study

Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn't buffer consumers against financial hardship.

Nothin to see here. Move along now. Here- have another glass of kool aid.

We already debated this, had an election afterwards, & we know the results of said election

Before the lies were actually known as lies, huh? Funny how the timing of the implementation was after the election. By design? ABSOLUTELY!
That was a stupid statement you made dot. If Americans knew what was going to be in the healthcare pipeline, Obama would have never been re elected. Only a partisan hack would argue the point.

 

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Stay on topic people. This thread is about Krugman noting that repubs will throw any of their own under the bus if they work w/ the President & Democrats to iron-out out the flaws in the LAW. 'lest we forget, Medicare Part D didn't roll out smoothly either BUT Democrats worked w/ Repubs to iron-out the flaws.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOkF396WgY]Dem Rep. Bill Pascrell EXPLODES At GOP'ers During Obamacare Hearing - YouTube[/ame]

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Fact is that folks will still face BK because the copays and deductibles under the ACA are even higher than before. As usual BO is lying when he says the ACA will prevent folks going BK.

I had an affordable catastrophic insurance plan that covered everything after $5K deductible, with no cap. Those plans were made illegal by the ACA.

Please notice that dottie (the great debater) has retreated to "we won the election".

No facts. He won't post the average amount of a so-called medical bankruptcy.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/medical-bills-cause-most-bankruptcies/?_r=0

Among families who were bankrupted by illness, those with private insurance reported average medical bills of $17,749 compared to those who were uninsured, who faced an average of $26,971 in medical costs. Those who had health insurance but lost it in the course of their illness reported average medical bills of $22,568.

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And...let's not forget this is an average. I susepct the median is lower. Which means people are filing for less. In some cases, much less.

18 K is less than the cost of a good used car.

 

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Stay on topic people. This thread is about Krugman noting that repubs will throw any of their own under the bus if they work w/ the President & Democrats to iron-out out the flaws in the LAW. 'lest we forget, Medicare Part D didn't roll out smoothly either but Democrats worked w/ Repubs to iron-out the flaws.

Dem Rep. Bill Pascrell EXPLODES At GOP'ers During Obamacare Hearing - YouTube

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Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

 

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The entire law is a FLAW.

It's not worth fixing since it's fundamentally a pile of SHIT.

 

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Own up dottie....

paul krugman owned - YouTube

 

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Stay on topic people. This thread is about Krugman noting that repubs will throw any of their own under the bus if they work w/ the President & Democrats to iron-out out the flaws in the LAW. 'lest we forget, Medicare Part D didn't roll out smoothly either but Democrats worked w/ Repubs to iron-out the flaws.

Dem Rep. Bill Pascrell EXPLODES At GOP'ers During Obamacare Hearing - YouTube

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Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

The fact that Dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are ) , is the topic ASSCLOWN Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're dumb

 

[Meister]

Stay on topic people. This thread is about Krugman noting that repubs will throw any of their own under the bus if they work w/ the President & Democrats to iron-out out the flaws in the LAW. 'lest we forget, Medicare Part D didn't roll out smoothly either but Democrats worked w/ Repubs to iron-out the flaws.

Dem Rep. Bill Pascrell EXPLODES At GOP'ers During Obamacare Hearing - YouTube

Oops

Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

 

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Stay on topic people. This thread is about Krugman noting that repubs will throw any of their own under the bus if they work w/ the President & Democrats to iron-out out the flaws in the LAW. 'lest we forget, Medicare Part D didn't roll out smoothly either but Democrats worked w/ Repubs to iron-out the flaws.

Dem Rep. Bill Pascrell EXPLODES At GOP'ers During Obamacare Hearing - YouTube

Oops

Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

That's right, asshole. It isn't germain. It wasn't a GOP bill. It was cosponsored by plenty of dems. And most of us don't like that one too. So what is your point.

Two wrongs make a right.....got it !

Please provide evidence that the GOP are throwing people under the bus over this one. Since no GOP voted for it, I'll be curious to see.

Additionally, for you so called point to be valid you need to show us that the dems never throw anyone under the bus who does not get in rank and file.

You had 39 dems ready to throw the whole thing under the bus.

And you call me a moron. You are stupid. Just plain stupid. It's people like you that should be prevented from breeding.

 

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Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

The majority of American no longer trust the Asshole Affirmative Action Failed Experiment for president. He lied his ass off to pass this thing, f**ke up the roll out and is now killing coverage that people liked.

People like Dottie have to resort to the bullshyt argument that the plans were no good (but Obama has agreed to let us keep them longer and he certainly wasn't going to pull the union plans) when they never spoke of that before.

I have stopped praying for Obama's protection because it has become clear to me that even that dickweed Joe Biden would be a better president than the lying bastard we now enjoy.

 

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Which isn't a topic, moron.

It is an assertion that you can't defend because it is no more than a prediction.

What does this asshole have to do with your so called topic. He's not even GOP.

The most impressive thing about this clip is that the GOP showed some reserve and didn't tell him to go f**k himself.

You really suck at this debate thing.

The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

Good err.... uh..... opinion Democrats worked w/ Repubs to fix the Bush II Admin's flawed Medicare Part D roll out but Repubs won't do the same in re: Heritagecare AKA O'care Reminds me of when Listening made a wager to leave the board if 44 won reelection. Repub-voters

 

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The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

The majority of American no longer trust the Asshole Affirmative Action Failed Experiment for president. He lied his ass off to pass this thing, f**ke up the roll out and is now killing coverage that people liked.

People like Dottie have to resort to the bullshyt argument that the plans were no good (but Obama has agreed to let us keep them longer and he certainly wasn't going to pull the union plans) when they never spoke of that before.

I have stopped praying for Obama's protection because it has become clear to me that even that dickweed Joe Biden would be a better president than the lying bastard we now enjoy.

WTF r u yammering about welcherboi? Stay on topic son- Repubs vow to throw any of their own under the bus if they dare top work w/ the other party to improve the law as Democrats did for Repubs w/ Medicare Part D. Sad what has happened to the once proud repub party

 

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The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

Good err.... uh..... opinion Democrats worked w/ Repubs to fix the Bush II Admin's flawed Medicare Part D roll out but Repubs won't do the same in re: Heritagecare AKA O'care Reminds me of when Listening made a wager to leave the board if 44 won reelection. Repub-voters

This post is so desperate it is sad.

 

[Meister]

The fact that dems worked w/ Repubs to fix their flawed bill & repubs are screaming bloody murder (the insurance co water-carriers that they are , is the topic ASSCLOWN? Go to the kiddy pool (coffe shop) son

Thats why Repubs are throwing anyone that attempts to work w/ Democrats to improve the LAW under the bus- the OP idiot. Gawd but you're a moron AND a welcher.

The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

Good err.... uh..... opinion Democrats worked w/ Repubs to fix the Bush II Admin's flawed Medicare Part D roll out but Repubs won't do the same in re: Heritagecare AKA O'care Reminds me of when Listening made a wager to leave the board if 44 won reelection. Repub-voters

Bush 43 didn't have the "Obama ideology" factor....like I said, Obama wants to go one way with the fixes, dot.

 

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So repubs will, sit on their hands until November Hows that been working out for you people?

 

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The real problem is that there is no fixing this bill with bipartisan support as long as Obama and his ideology is still in the WH. The only direction Obama wants to go as far as repairing this debacle is towards a single payer plan. He'll veto anything else. just sayin....

The majority of American no longer trust the Asshole Affirmative Action Failed Experiment for president. He lied his ass off to pass this thing, f**ke up the roll out and is now killing coverage that people liked.

People like Dottie have to resort to the bullshyt argument that the plans were no good (but Obama has agreed to let us keep them longer and he certainly wasn't going to pull the union plans) when they never spoke of that before.

I have stopped praying for Obama's protection because it has become clear to me that even that dickweed Joe Biden would be a better president than the lying bastard we now enjoy.

WTF r u yammering about welcherboi? Stay on topic son- Repubs vow to throw any of their own under the bus if they dare top work w/ the other party to improve the law as Democrats did for Repubs w/ Medicare Part D. Sad what has happened to the once proud repub party

Provide some evidence of your assertion asswipe.

A link, some clip art....something that tells us just WTF you are talking about.

You prattle about how you bring back up (which you never do).

2014....a new year...maybe you can do it right.

Not betting on it.

Prove your assertion (that they said it). Then prove it is happening.

Your post also included Krugman's statement about how every other nation has this guarantee (somehow embedded in that is that it is good). Watch the clip and see what a few Canadians had to say.

 

[Meister]

So repubs will, sit on their hands until November Hows that been working out for you people?

They haven't been sitting on their hands, everything gets shelved by Reid in the Senate.

 

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So repubs will, sit on their hands until November Hows that been working out for you people?

They haven't been sitting on their hands, everything gets shelved by Reid in the Senate.

ummm..... yeah They send bills over that even they know won't get signed by the President. Repubs should at least offer to pay for the electricity at the capitol for their intentional kabuki theater.

 

[TooTall]

Depending upon one's age & state of residence, a Medicare supplement policy adds $100-$200 per person for month. So the individual total for Medicare A, B, D and a supplement runs it up to about $200-$350 pppm. About 4-grand per year each plus Part D co-pays which can mount up quickly. Then there's the whole "donut hole" cost if you need a lot of medication.

For many, anything beyond basic Medicare is unaffordable.

But less unaffordable than the $350,000 one time cost of a major heart surgery or cancer treatment series.

Still, if you can afford it, nice protection. And if you can't, well bankruptcy will save your home if you owned it outright. At least until it's seized for property taxes.

That Medicare supplemental policy goes up every year. I know a good one that only charges $316 a month at age 77. If both mom and dad are that age, that comes to $636 a month plus $208 for Medicare plus $50 for Part D. $10,728 a year for full coverage for both. Drug copays on top of that.

It will save the house if you can afford it.

Of course, if you owned you home outright, a reverse mortgage could be an alternative to continue to pay property taxes after filing for bankruptcy. I THINK your home is exempted in bankruptcy, but am not sure. Of course that is a moot point, since you were already paying property taxes.