Paul Krugman "hits the nail on the head" in re: Obamacare

[Meister]

Suck on it.

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face

Are you butt hurt that he came back? So what? Just suck it up and move on, dot.
Libs are always trying to silence the competition, that's just the way you folks roll.

I think I'll rep the guy for coming back

 

[Dot Com]

Suck on it.

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face

Are you butt hurt that he came back? So what? Just suck it up and move on, dot.
Libs are always trying to silence the competition, that's just the way you folks roll.

I think I'll rep the guy for coming back

the guy doesn't bring much if anything to the board. at least I provide sources, yes- sometimes even Fox, to support my positions. Guys like him just holler from the peanut gallery & get "thanked" by the people who only share his ideology NOT the merits of his yammerings.

I'm over his welching but going out of his way to take potshots at me, after the fact of his skulking back, when he is a welching, welcher extroadinaire is another matter

 

[Meister]

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face

Are you butt hurt that he came back? So what? Just suck it up and move on, dot.
Libs are always trying to silence the competition, that's just the way you folks roll.

I think I'll rep the guy for coming back

the guy doesn't bring much if anything to the board. at least I provide sources, yes- sometimes even Fox, to support my positions. Guys like him just holler from the peanut gallery & get "thanked" by the people who only share his ideology NOT the merits of his yammerings.

Good grief......do you ever say that to dean?
I repped him because of you and your childish attack on him. Like I said, just move on and engage with debate.

 

[tap4154]

what the repub-voting hive mind keep glossing over is that 85% +/- people have HC already through their employer. Why do they keep glossing over that fact?

How about the BO admin HIDING the FACT that their own estimate in 2010 was that 51% of employer-sponsored HC plans would be CANCELED?

Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare - Forbes

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

 

[Antares]

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face

Are you butt hurt that he came back? So what? Just suck it up and move on, dot.
Libs are always trying to silence the competition, that's just the way you folks roll.

I think I'll rep the guy for coming back

the guy doesn't bring much if anything to the board. at least I provide sources, yes- sometimes even Fox, to support my positions. Guys like him just holler from the peanut gallery & get "thanked" by the people who only share his ideology NOT the merits of his yammerings.

And ye you never say squat to dean, franco, or Jake...selective outrage at best

 

[hjmick]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

 

[Dot Com]

yep, its not the big socialist takeover that a certain network was predicting. I wanted single-payer anyway so I hope the Senate Leader is right that this is only a first-step.

 

[Antares]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

One must FIRST establish control how it is paid for, once that is established everything else falls into line.

But you are right, what we are seeing is the single greatest sleight of hand EVER perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.

 

[Listening]

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face

Are you butt hurt that he came back? So what? Just suck it up and move on, dot.
Libs are always trying to silence the competition, that's just the way you folks roll.

I think I'll rep the guy for coming back

the guy doesn't bring much if anything to the board. at least I provide sources, yes- sometimes even Fox, to support my positions. Guys like him just holler from the peanut gallery & get "thanked" by the people who only share his ideology NOT the merits of his yammerings.

Oh, that's way too funny. You talking about how you support your assertions.



You'd never last in the CDZ.

Anytime you care to engage is a debate, let me know (that you are debating and not talking out your ass).

BTW: Your OP is nothing but an opinion piece. And yet you are blithering about opinions in return.

 

[Listening]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

Right.

As near as I can tell, more people have lost it than gained it.

 

[Listening]

Krugman is a very wise man:

Unacceptable Realities

(snip)

The hysteria over Obamacare is being well documented, of course; Sahil Kapur’s piece on “Obamacare McCarthyism” — the instant purging of any Republican who offers any hint of accommodation to the law of the land — is getting a lot of well-deserved attention. One thing Kapur doesn’t emphasize, however, is what I see a lot in my inbox (and in my reading): the furious insistence that nothing resembling a government guarantee of health insurance can possibly work.

That’s a curious belief to hold, given the fact that every other advanced country has such a guarantee, and that we ourselves have a 45-year-old single-payer system for seniors that has worked pretty well all this time. But nothing makes these people as angry as the suggestion that Obamacare might actually prove workable.

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We never saw dottie weigh in on this one.....

Paul gets his ass handed to him.

Looks like, at least a few might not agree with him.....

BTW: 70% or more Canadians have a private plan in addition to their government plan. What does that tell you ?

Come on dot.......lets hear it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fexz8Ij-OBQ]Paul Krugman Canadian healthcare - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Meister]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

The problem is that the industry had to change the requirements of healthcare coverage to what was mandated by the government. Hence, millions of people were dropped from their coverage that they liked, others had premiums rise considerably along with deductibles.
Exemptions for some and not for others by the stroke of EO pen.

This isn't just about those who weren't insured getting insured, it's about a takeover of an industry......a trail to single payer being built brick by brick.

 

[tap4154]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

One must FIRST establish control how it is paid for, once that is established everything else falls into line.

But you are right, what we are seeing is the single greatest sleight of hand EVER perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.

I call it the biggest conspiracy to commit fraud in American history, and it's ongoing!

If such a massive fraud had been committed by the private sector MANY folks would already be on trial and facing SERIOUS federal prison time!

 

[Meister]

yep, its not the big socialist takeover that a certain network was predicting. I wanted single-payer anyway so I hope the Senate Leader is right that this is only a first-step.

Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. just sayin.....

 

[Listening]

Why does everyone continue to discuss this issue as if "healthcare" had actually been addressed?


The only thing that has changed is how people get their insurance, not the healthcare industry itself...

The problem is that the industry had to change the requirements of healthcare coverage to what was mandated by the government. Hence, millions of people were dropped from their coverage that they liked, others had premiums rise considerably along with deductibles.
Exemptions for some and not for others by the stroke of EO pen.

This isn't just about those who weren't insured getting insured, it's about a takeover of an industry......a trail to single payer being built brick by brick.

Just wait until doctors start dropping out.

Everyone will have insurance, and no one will be there to take it (at least there will not be a balance in supply and demand....as it is our doctor workforce is aging and we want to throw more patients at them.....).

What moron does not realize that if you have a shortage of supply, price will go up to bring in more suppliers. But instead they plan to push prices down.

Obama has to publish his own economics books. The supply and demand curves will look like a 1st graders musings.

 

[Dot Com]

that wonderful "coverage", extolled by rw media, that people had to drop resulted in this

Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.

"That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study -- 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services," says Woolhandler.

that story was from 2009

 

[Listening]

yep, its not the big socialist takeover that a certain network was predicting. I wanted single-payer anyway so I hope the Senate Leader is right that this is only a first-step.

And what makes you say that oh vaunted debater (who never backs up his claims).

Please tell us how you arrived at this conclusion.

 

[Listening]

that wonderful "coverage" that people had to drop resulted in this:

Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.

"That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study -- 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services," says Woolhandler.

This has been blasted so many times, it's not funny any more.

First, what is the average bankruptcy amount ?

Please answer that question first.

As to junk plans, we dismantled that here:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...43-when-did-junk-plans-become-junk-plans.html

I am sure you were fantasizing Rachael Maddow on top of you as you let this big lie imprint on your brain.

Man up and admit your Affirmative Action Failure lied his skinny ass off in order to pass a huge POS.

 

[Meister]

that wonderful "coverage", extolled by rw media, that people had to drop resulted in this

Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.

"That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study -- 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services," says Woolhandler.

Fear monger much?

I'm in my 60's, my wife in her mid 50's.....why do we need maternity coverage, etc.?
It's not up for government to tell me what kind of insurance I'm going to have. At least it didn't used to be.

 

[Dot Com]

this is from 2013

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study

Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn't buffer consumers against financial hardship.

Nothin to see here. Move along now. Here- have another glass of kool aid.

We already debated this, had an election afterwards, & we know the results of said election