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[JimBowie1958]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Conjecture

Pointing out the TOTAL lack of direct evidence is not conjecture, dude, you are being an idiot.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Like the rest of us, Brady creates his own problems.

No, not always. Sometimes the problems stars face is caused by sports fans that love or hate them and their rivals.

It is only fools and morons that hold him in a higher strata than a human being with failings and feet of clay.

Well finally we agree on something.

These guys make a mint off of a kids game, for Christ's Sake, why do people idolize them so much? I have never figured that out.

I knew a guy who could play pool/billiards with remarkable precision. He could not only make any shot just about, but he could leave the cue at exactly predicted spots on the table. He could also let you pick the spot for the cue ball to come to rest and still make the shot. He was without a doubt the best pool player I have eve known. But I wouldn't pay over $120 to watch him play, and if he made millions from playing I would think that there is something wrong with society.

I do think our obsession is not healthy for our nation. IT is a distraction, 'Bread and Circuses' given to us by the Oligarchs to distract us while they loot the public Treasury with QE and similar scams.

 

[Kanola]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

 

[Alex.]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

"Brady testified that it is his practice to destroy (or give to his assistant to destroy) his cellphone and SIM cards when he gets a new cellphone. Mr. Brady also testified that, based on his typical practice, he would have asked to have the existing cellphone destroyed at or about the same time he began using his new cellphone. According to records provided by Mr. Brady, he began using a new cellphone -- and based on what Mr. Brady and his counsel described as his ordinary practice, gave his old cellphone to his assistant to be destroyed -- on or about March 6, 2015, the very day he met with Mr. Wells and his team to be questioned about the tampering allegations."

One problem: Tom had an even older cell phone he didn't destroy. So the NFL kind of saw that as a weird "anomaly" that, without a rational explanation, made for some bad excuse-making."


Tom Brady claims he smashes his cell phone every 8 months or so - CBSSports.com




You again ignore salient, materials facts such as: Brady is not in the habit of destroying old phones as evidenced by the phone(s) previous to the one he did not destroyed that he owned.

 

[Alex.]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Conjecture

Pointing out the TOTAL lack of direct evidence is not conjecture, dude, you are being an idiot.

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Conjecture

Pointing out the TOTAL lack of direct evidence is not conjecture, dude, you are being an idiot.

Can you prove your statement?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

Were those phones all from a prior date? I wonder when he started doing this and has he been consistently doing it since some point in time.

As to my theory about what happened, the equipment guy knows Brady like the balls to be at minimum PSI, so that is how the balls get inflated. During the game the balls lose some PSI, making them under inflated a tad. The Colts want to throw some confusion among the PAtriots so they take one of the balls, deflate it a little bit and tell the judges. The judges find it to be under, then all the other balls to be a little under....and all the Colts balls were under too, but no one was accusing them, lol. So the balls all get brought back up to PSI standards, the pats get pissed about being accused of cheating and stomp the Colts into the mud in the second half with regularly inflated footballs.

And the Patriot's intensity is being maintained with all this NFL bullshit, and the Pats make the playoffs again and maybe win another Super Bowl this year.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Pointing out the TOTAL lack of direct evidence is not conjecture, dude, you are being an idiot.

Can you prove your statement?

Sure, just read this thread. There is no direct evidence that Brady was directly connected to what happened with the footballs PSI. Like an idiot you call that conjecture. IT makes you look like an idiot because the Wells report states that there is no evidence directly linking Brady also. NO ONE has any such evidence.

Only an idiot would think that to be conjecture when it is simply fact.

 

[ChrisL]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

Were those phones all from a prior date? I wonder when he started doing this and has he been consistently doing it since some point in time.

As to my theory about what happened, the equipment guy knows Brady like the balls to be at minimum PSI, so that is how the balls get inflated. During the game the balls lose some PSI, making them under inflated a tad. The Colts want to throw some confusion among the PAtriots so they take one of the balls, deflate it a little bit and tell the judges. The judges find it to be under, then all the other balls to be a little under....and all the Colts balls were under too, but no one was accusing them, lol. So the balls all get brought back up to PSI standards, the pats get pissed about being accused of cheating and stomp the Colts into the mud in the second half with regularly inflated footballs.

And the Patriot's intensity is being maintained with all this NFL bullshit, and the Pats make the playoffs again and maybe win another Super Bowl this year.

I think whether or not he destroyed ALL of his phones is a moot point. It was his phone, and he can do what he wants with it. I think most people would object to handing their cellphones (with their personal texts, pictures, etc.) over to their employer. If this was a criminal investigation and he was being accused of a crime, that is another story. This is a way blown out of proportion allegedly deflated ball conspiracy theory is all.

Brady looked pretty good last night. Jonas Gray and Malcolm Butler . . . also looking really good.

 

[Papageorgio]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

Brady never claimed his phone was destroyed, that is the NFL's claim. Brady claimed it was broken.

Also after Brady refused to turn over the phone, the NFL claimed that all they wanted was names and numbers off the phone that were pertinent to the deflated footballs, which Brady claimed he did.

So the NFL according to the NFL and Wells did not require the phone. So now I am left to wonder why this phone is a big deal when the NFL claimed it didn't want it.

Both sides are lying through their teeth. Neither can stand down and it makes the NFL look stupid because the leaks first out about the number of footballs with less air was false and the cold outside air was not factored.

Also the Colts broke the rules when they had a device that check or altered the air pressure of the ball they intercepted. Wonder why that was never brought up.

 

[Oldstyle]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

So let me get this straight...Phallics is totally into invading Tom Brady's personal life with nonsense like accusing him of having an affair with his nanny that's supposedly broken up his marriage...other people are picking through the e-mails and text messages that Brady released through the NFLPA for "gems" like Brady saying Peyton Manning only has a couple years left in his career...but nobody understands why Brady doesn't want his private communications made public?

Tom Brady understood EXACTLY what would happen if he did turn over his personal communications. It's why he refused to turn over his phone. That doesn't prove his guilt in deflategate...it simply proves that obsessed people like Phallics will do their very best to take what is in those personal communications and attempt to slander Brady with it. If you have any doubt about that...just look at what's happening now!

 

[Papageorgio]

Pointing out the TOTAL lack of direct evidence is not conjecture, dude, you are being an idiot.

Can you prove your statement?

Sure, just read this thread. There is no direct evidence that Brady was directly connected to what happened with the footballs PSI. Like an idiot you call that conjecture. IT makes you look like an idiot because the Wells report states that there is no evidence directly linking Brady also. NO ONE has any such evidence.

Only an idiot would think that to be conjecture when it is simply fact.

Also the judge asked for direct evidence and the NFL said they had none.

 

[Oldstyle]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

"...Brady never HAS been an innocent."

I'm curious what you mean by that, Kanola? Do you know something else that Brady is "guilty" of? Or is that just a vague indictment based on your dislike of the Patriots?

Tom Brady has been in the NFL and in the public spotlight for a long, long, long time and he's been nothing but a class act during that time. No drugs. No DUI's. Doesn't beat his wife. Doesn't beat his kids. Doesn't cash in on his celebrity endorsing crap he doesn't use. Always took less money for himself so the Patriots could keep players under the salary cap.

What's pathetic is that the NFL has decided to go after one of the few players it has who doesn't act like a douche when they are off the field. You give the same suspension to Tom Brady (for destroying his phone) that you give to Greg Hardy for beating the shit out of his girlfriend? Really? You give a greater suspension to Brady than you do to Ray Rice? Really?

Roger Goodell is an idiot. Pure and simple.

 

[ChrisL]

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

You don't seem to understand the concept of what evidence is. IF all the evidence that the NFL could possibly uncover was on Brady's phone then they are idiots, and there is not foul because were there a true violation there would be plenty of other evidence aside form what might have been on Brady's phone.

Seriously though. Do you blame him for breaking his phone? Would you hand over your cell phone to your employer? He didn't commit a crime so I don't know what makes them think they are entitled to invade his privacy in that way, especially over something so stupid.

I think Brady ws in the habit of destroying old phones so that they couldn't fall into the hands of sports obsessed fans and journalists.

The guy has the right to protect his privacy from the less disciplined fans, and I doubt that he is the only sports super star that destroys old phones.

That would possibly be true, except other old phones of his have been found. They were not destroyed. So right there is a lie by Brady, and kind of shoots that argument in the foot. Sounds like he destroyed ONE phone.
I have no dog in this fight, and only Brady truly knows the truth, but something certainly is amiss with this.
IMO there is no true argument. SOMETHING has taken place, and Brady never HAS been an innocent.

"...Brady never HAS been an innocent."

I'm curious what you mean by that, Kanola? Do you know something else that Brady is "guilty" of? Or is that just a vague indictment based on your dislike of the Patriots?

Tom Brady has been in the NFL and in the public spotlight for a long, long, long time and he's been nothing but a class act during that time. No drugs. No DUI's. Doesn't beat his wife. Doesn't beat his kids. Doesn't cash in on his celebrity endorsing crap he doesn't use. Always took less money for himself so the Patriots could keep players under the salary cap.

What's pathetic is that the NFL has decided to go after one of the few players it has who doesn't act like a douche when they are off the field. You give the same suspension to Tom Brady (for destroying his phone) that you give to Greg Hardy for beating the shit out of his girlfriend? Really? You give a greater suspension to Brady than you do to Ray Rice? Really?

Roger Goodell is an idiot. Pure and simple.

I know! Brady is hardly ever in the spotlight and keeps quite a low public profile. I always listen to his after-game speeches, and he is always humble. They hate him because he is good and we know it, and they know it too.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Alex and 9/11 talk all around the simple point that there is no evidence that Brady did anything.

All these losers can do is project on to Brady what they would do in his situation and that thinking process inevitably yields 'CHEATER!'

lol

Brady destroyed evidence and refused to cooperate. You have a very selective memory.

so very true.they only remember what they want to remember.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Unfortunately a very sad development has occurred.


“Gisele is ramping up the social media activity because her marriage is breaking down,” the source said, claiming while out for his birthday dinner, “Tom and Gisele had a massive fight, and she stormed out.”

According to the source, the pair, who wed in 2009, have been “fighting every other day for weeks,” but it was on Tom’s birthday that “things really came to a head” when they “each dredged up every issue with the other that they’d been suppressing.”

The timing of their latest fight comes as the Patriots quarterback’s name has been dragged into Ben Affleck’s nanny cheating scandal. The former caretaker, Christine Ouzounian, was seen wearing what Page Six claimed were Brady’s Superbowl rings on June 27 as the trio flew via private jet to Las Vegas"

Sorry, Oldfartstyle, here is the young lady who now wears Brady's rings. Better luck next time.

Great we have gone tabloid.

Like the rest of us, Brady creates his own problems. It is only fools and morons that hold him in a higher strata than a human being with failings and feet of clay.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

one month away till the regular football season starts and Bradys suspension still has not been reversed by any court.My oh my the Brady worshippers like old fartstyle,pooper,,chrissy,and mack must be sweating bullets getting worried and scared.

Just a few days ago the presiding Judge got fed up with it and told Brady and Goodel to work out their differences.

It was also reported yesterday that the first hearing occured a couple days ago with nothing revealed about the decison with a second hearing scheduled on the 21st I believe.The courts are so fucked up,they have trials that sometimes last for years so by the time they rule something,the season will already be overwith and brady will have already served his four game suspension.

 

[Oldstyle]

one month away till the regular football season starts and Bradys suspension still has not been reversed by any court.My oh my the Brady worshippers like old fartstyle,pooper,,chrissy,and mack must be sweating bullets getting worried and scared.

Just a few days ago the presiding Judge got fed up with it and told Brady and Goodel to work out their differences.

It was also reported yesterday that the first hearing occured a couple days ago with nothing revealed about the decison with a second hearing scheduled on the 21st I believe.The courts are so fucked up,they have trials that sometimes last for years so by the time they rule something,the season will already be overwith and brady will have already served his four game suspension.

If you read the reports coming out of the courtroom...what the judge is "fed up with" is a total lack of evidence from the NFL that Tom Brady actually did something wrong. The judge repeatedly asked the lawyers representing the NFL for "PROOF" that Brady broke the rules...and he was repeatedly told by the NFL's lawyers that they didn't have proof...which means Brady's suspension is based on not on his having done something illegal...but on the NFL's belief that he should have helped them more to find something that he'd done that was illegal.

 

[Oldstyle]

This is going nowhere because Tom Brady refuses to let himself be railroaded on something that he didn't do...and Roger Goodell has painted himself into a corner by letting a miniscule equipment issue get blown up into a situation where he's going to suspend one of the best players in the NFL the same amount of games for not doing something than he is for a player who severely beat his girlfriend.

 

[Oldstyle]

There is a simple fix for this. The judge should simply inform the NFL that the penalty imposed is way out of line with the alleged infraction...even if it were proven that the Patriots intentionally did break the rules...which Ted Wells and his multi-million dollar investigation didn't come CLOSE to doing! The penalty that existed was a $25,000 fine. Not a million dollars and the loss of two draft choices! Not the suspension of the teams starting quarterback for a quarter of an NFL season!

If I were the judge I would instruct the NFL to better monitor game balls so that this problem wasn't repeated. I would tell the Patriots that because game balls were slightly under-inflated that they were liable for the $25,000 fine. I would tell the NFL that the fines, loss of draft choices and suspension of Brady are SO out of line with what took place and what existing penalties were in place that it bordered on the absurd and I would rescind them all along with a lecture about not wasting the court's time with something that should have been EASILY resolved by the NFL itself!