Pastor who asked gay bakery for cake threatened with charges

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

The homophobic bigots are assholes for refusing to do business with people because of their sexual orientation- and because they ignore the law.

You dumb shit, the baker did do business with the queers, but didn't want to cater their wedding. The baker even considered them ad friends. It was the queers who were assholes.

You dumb homophobic asshole- I am referring to assholes like you- who stomp their feet because and pretend to be victims because even Christians are expected to follow State law.

The baker in Washington actually seems like a nice person- unlike you homophobic assholes- but she broke state law.

Because of her conscience. You don't seem to see that when laws force people to violate their conscience, it becomes oppressive. You don't see this even when it's turned around. You're probably right and she is a nice lady. AND she had every right not to bake a cake that violates her deeply held beliefs. When the hell are you people going to get the fact that laws that force people to violate their beliefs are unjust no matter who it afflicts?

 

[martybegan]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

 

[Agit8r]

No double standard here. The pastor sought out a gay-owned bakery and proceeded to harass the owner. Not a chargeable offense mind you, but not a protected one either.

 

[Syriusly]

The problem is that the pastors order was NOT a "true" order, but in fact, a form of harassment. From the start he had no intention of actually buying that cake, he only wanted to use the phone call to harm the baker's business with the video on YouTube. That's not a /business/ transaction, but it could cause harm to the business and therefore falls under harassment.

And frankly I think the church establishments hit by the media in the reverse have the right to bring up a case as well. Problem is that action was taken by the media, and they're somewhat immune to harassment charges for some reason.

Homos have admitted targeting Christian bakers, even recording phone calls. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I disagree, this is just escalating nonsense. I think both sides should practice what they preach and learn to tolerate each other. I very much doubt that Jesus would be in any part of this.

Well it's really pretty simple, the homos cease and then there won't be none. Keep in mind who started it and now when the push back begins it's the homos screaming foul. That's BS, if you can't stand the heat don't try to get in the baker's oven

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

 

[Ravi]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

I wonder what it would be like if the only place I was "allowed" to shop was Walmart.

 

[martybegan]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.

It depends on where the conversation took place.

Florida Wiretapping Law
Florida's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a "wire, oral, or electronic communication" in Florida, unless all parties to the communication consent. See Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any telephone conversation and any in-person that common sense tells you is private.

In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the Florida wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.

Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press's Can We Tape?: Florida for more information on Florida wiretapping law.

If she was in a public place (say at her business with the public around) then no law was violated.

 

[Ravi]

Homos have admitted targeting Christian bakers, even recording phone calls. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I disagree, this is just escalating nonsense. I think both sides should practice what they preach and learn to tolerate each other. I very much doubt that Jesus would be in any part of this.

Well it's really pretty simple, the homos cease and then there won't be none. Keep in mind who started it and now when the push back begins it's the homos screaming foul. That's BS, if you can't stand the heat don't try to get in the baker's oven

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

Can the police refuse to serve gay people?

 

[Syriusly]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

Then again- if you don't like the law as written- work to change it.

 

[Ravi]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.

It depends on where the conversation took place.

Florida Wiretapping Law
Florida's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a "wire, oral, or electronic communication" in Florida, unless all parties to the communication consent. See Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any telephone conversation and any in-person that common sense tells you is private.

In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the Florida wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.

Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press's Can We Tape?: Florida for more information on Florida wiretapping law.

If she was in a public place (say at her business with the public around) then no law was violated.

It was over the telephone.

 

[martybegan]

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

I wonder what it would be like if the only place I was "allowed" to shop was Walmart.

Walmart is too classy for you. I see you as more of a K-mart guy.

 

[martybegan]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.

It depends on where the conversation took place.

Florida Wiretapping Law
Florida's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a "wire, oral, or electronic communication" in Florida, unless all parties to the communication consent. See Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any telephone conversation and any in-person that common sense tells you is private.

In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the Florida wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.

Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press's Can We Tape?: Florida for more information on Florida wiretapping law.

If she was in a public place (say at her business with the public around) then no law was violated.

It was over the telephone.

But where was she when she was on the phone. If she was home, or say in the back office of her store alone, then she had a reasonable expectation of privacy,and this law would be valid. If she was in the front of the store with customers or other workers around, she would be "in public", and thus the law would probably not apply.

 

[Ravi]

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

I wonder what it would be like if the only place I was "allowed" to shop was Walmart.

Walmart is too classy for you. I see you as more of a K-mart guy.

Your powers of perception need some work, dude.

 

[martybegan]

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

Or just realize that public accommodation is not a catch all for any business out there. It makes sense that things like hotels, grocery stores, supermarkets, department stores, etc. have to serve anyone who walks in, and cannot decide willy nilly who they will allow to patronize. What doesn't make sense is extending the same thing to non-vital contracted services. The danger of using the power of the State to coerce people to comply entirely outweighs the harm caused by a couple having to find another baker/photographer/wedding reception hall.

Then again- if you don't like the law as written- work to change it.

If only it were that Easy. PA is a priority Z issue to politicians that is buried far below any chance of being changed.

 

[martybegan]

I disagree, this is just escalating nonsense. I think both sides should practice what they preach and learn to tolerate each other. I very much doubt that Jesus would be in any part of this.

Well it's really pretty simple, the homos cease and then there won't be none. Keep in mind who started it and now when the push back begins it's the homos screaming foul. That's BS, if you can't stand the heat don't try to get in the baker's oven

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

Can the police refuse to serve gay people?

Nope, government always has to perform its tasks regardless of the origination of said tasks.

 

[Camp]

The pro Christiansharia people are just a bunch of sore losers. They want their Sharia law and can't accept that their hatred and fake Christianity has been exposed and rejected.

 

[Ravi]

Well it's really pretty simple, the homos cease and then there won't be none. Keep in mind who started it and now when the push back begins it's the homos screaming foul. That's BS, if you can't stand the heat don't try to get in the baker's oven

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

Can the police refuse to serve gay people?

Nope, government always has to perform its tasks regardless of the origination of said tasks.

What if the taxpayers that pay the police are Christians and don't want gay people served?

 

[martybegan]

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

Can the police refuse to serve gay people?

Nope, government always has to perform its tasks regardless of the origination of said tasks.

What if the taxpayers that pay the police are Christians and don't want gay people served?

Doesn't matter. Once you become a government actor, you become beholden to the rules created by the constitutions, federal and at the State level. Government has to be an impartial actor, and cannot pick and choose things of this nature. For government jobs, the mantra of "don't like it? then quit" is 100% applicable, and necessary for society to function.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.

Well to me when there is nothing to hide nobody minds. If the person had just baked the cake like they were asked to, there wouldn't have been a reason to expose their refusing to.

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

 

[Ravi]

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

Sorry- I thought I put the link in

Threats made against bakery in Longwood Seminole County

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

Can the police refuse to serve gay people?

Nope, government always has to perform its tasks regardless of the origination of said tasks.

What if the taxpayers that pay the police are Christians and don't want gay people served?

Doesn't matter. Once you become a government actor, you become beholden to the rules created by the constitutions, federal and at the State level. Government has to be an impartial actor, and cannot pick and choose things of this nature. For government jobs, the mantra of "don't like it? then quit" is 100% applicable, and necessary for society to function.

What if there is nothing in the federal or state or local constitution about having to serve people because of their sexual orientation? As far as I know, Florida would fit into that scenario. There is no federal law or state law that addresses sexual orientation. Unless "serving the public" actually means all of the public.

 

[Ravi]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.

Well to me when there is nothing to hide nobody minds. If the person had just baked the cake like they were asked to, there wouldn't have been a reason to expose their refusing to.

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

If you were a baker and asked to make a cake with the words God is actually gay on it, would you do it? How about one that said Satan is better than God?