Pastor who asked gay bakery for cake threatened with charges

[AceRothstein]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You'd have a point if the bakery sold Holocaust cakes to everyone else. If the bakery doesn't make Holocaust cakes you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

How did such a POS get to be a pastor? He claims Christians are under attack yet he just proved that gay people are under attack by Christians.

Jesus ain't gonna be too pleased with that asshole.

Gays should always be under attack for their immoral values which is a stain on our society.

Racists-homophobes deserve children who inter-racially gay marry.

Doubtful that would happen if they are brought up correctly. Bad parenting for you, eh?

Often times children do the opposite of what parents try to teach them.

Then they become left loons

 

[martybegan]

The solution is simple. Except in cases of necessary commerce, allow businesses to refuse service to anyone.

The case was resolved in a case where the baker offered to make the cake, but refused to write a message on it. The baker offered the customer the material and tool needed to write a message and instructed them that they were free to write whatever message they wanted on the completed cake.

interesting compromise, but I doubt that would placate the more litigious minded people, or those who want acceptance rather than tolerance.

I believe this was a court case and the baker won the case. You can not refuse to produce or sell a product you normally produce or sell. Simple as that.

So basically going into business = slavery. got it.

No, just the knowledge that going into business requires one to understand the rules and regulations that govern a particular business. It also helps to understand that mixing business, politics and religion is usually a bad idea and will cause problems for the business.
People were forced into slavery. It was not something people volunteered for or selected as a career. Nobody gets forced into going into a business. There is also that thingy about payment for services and being able to quit a position when you want to.

The choice of either submit or do something else is far worse than some couple having to spend 5 minutes finding another baker. What is being forced is going OUT of business, over something as stupid as hurt "feewings". This isn't the south in the 60's where an entire portion of the economy was restricted to a sizable portion of the population, or the services provided to said portion were vastly inferior as compared to the services for the "right" population. This is a couple mad that someone doesn't approve of their lifestyle, and using the power of the state to punish those people.

 

[EverCurious]

And frankly I think the church establishments hit by the media in the reverse have the right to bring up a case as well. Problem is that action was taken by the media, and they're somewhat immune to harassment charges for some reason.

Probably the same thing that the lbgt community does when they try to force bakeries to service them.

Not meaning to be rude or call you specifically out, but do you guys just stop reading when you disagree with the first part of someone's post or does it just seem like that a lot of the time?

 

[jknowgood]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

 

[Syriusly]

I haven't decided- are the people who are 'outraged' about this baker just intentionally ignorant- or just dishonest?

In the case regarding the baker who refused to bake a wedding couple for a gay couple- the state they lived in had public accommodation laws which says business's cannot refuse to serve people based upon race, religion, (a bunch of other things) or sexual orientation.

Florida's public accommodation laws do not include 'sexual orientation. Any loving Christian baker can refuse to sell a cake to homosexuals as much as he or she wants to, and its not against the law.

Here is what Florida Public Accommodation laws do cover:
Chapter 760 Florida Statutes The Laws Resources Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations
It is against the law to refuse accommodations or service to any person on the basis of race, color, creed, sex, national origin, or physical disability.

So point out- which of those 'basis' was the 'pastor' refused service?

I can't see where the baker broke any law.

But- the pastor broke Florida law by recording the phone call without permission.

Because of course that is the 'Christian' thing to do.

 

[Syriusly]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

The homophobic bigots are assholes for refusing to do business with people because of their sexual orientation- and because they ignore the law.

 

[martybegan]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

The homophobic bigots are assholes for refusing to do business with people because of their sexual orientation- and because they ignore the law.

So its up to the government to punish people for being assholes?

Oh wait, its only certain approved flavors of assholes that merit government sanction according to progressives.

 

[jknowgood]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

The homophobic bigots are assholes for refusing to do business with people because of their sexual orientation- and because they ignore the law.

You dumb shit, the baker did do business with the queers, but didn't want to cater their wedding. The baker even considered them ad friends. It was the queers who were assholes.

 

[Ravi]

How did such a POS get to be a pastor? He claims Christians are under attack yet he just proved that gay people are under attack by Christians.

Jesus ain't gonna be too pleased with that asshole.

Gays should always be under attack for their immoral values which is a stain on our society.

Racists-homophobes deserve children who inter-racially gay marry.

Doubtful that would happen if they are brought up correctly. Bad parenting for you, eh?

What? Bad parenting results in gay people or interracial couples????????????????????????????//

 

[Syriusly]

How did such a POS get to be a pastor? He claims Christians are under attack yet he just proved that gay people are under attack by Christians.

Jesus ain't gonna be too pleased with that asshole.

But the homos are attacking Christian based businesses...of course in your rant and due to what is probably desires you fail to see or mention that

But the Christo Fascists are attacking homosexual business's- or more specifically- the self proclaimed 'Christian' in Arizona- called up a baker in Florida, broke the law by recording their telephone conversation, and specifically did all of this to attack this homosexual owned business.

He then went on a rant online

In a tirade posted on Facebook, Feuerstein references the "religious discrimination" laws passed in Indiana and Arkansas and says he wanted to make a point out of the gay-friendly Cut the Cake bakery in Longwood, Fla.

"I'm calling upon every Christian in America because whether you realize or not this is a war that is fought in many battles and many fronts and every time we give an inch we might as well give a mile... there is coming a day very soon if we don't stand up right now that they're going to be ripping preachers out of pulpits and bibles are going to be illegal because they contain things that are not politically correct. They are going to contain things that people are going to call hate speech."

Ironically, Feuerstein, who lives in Arizona, called up Cut the Cake and asked for a cake decorated with an antigay message. After owner Sharon Haller refused, Feuerstein told his followers — he has over 1.1 million Facebook fans — to take action.

Florida Bakers Threatened After Refusing to Decorate Cake With Antigay Message Advocate.com

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

How did such a POS get to be a pastor? He claims Christians are under attack yet he just proved that gay people are under attack by Christians.

Jesus ain't gonna be too pleased with that asshole.

Gays should always be under attack for their immoral values which is a stain on our society.

Racists-homophobes deserve children who inter-racially gay marry.

Doubtful that would happen if they are brought up correctly. Bad parenting for you, eh?

What? Bad parenting results in gay people or interracial couples????????????????????????????//

That and multiculturalism.

 

[Syriusly]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

I was thinking the same thing. Tantamount to asking a Black-owned bakery to bake a kkk cake, Jewish bakery to bake anti-Semitic cake.

The fundie hate group preacher should not have harassed the bakery.

But, the law may be that the bakery would be required to bake the cake.

The whole issue has gone beyond ridiculous.

The queers were assholes for forcing the Christian baker to bake the cake. This is karma. Bake the cake.

The homophobic bigots are assholes for refusing to do business with people because of their sexual orientation- and because they ignore the law.

You dumb shit, the baker did do business with the queers, but didn't want to cater their wedding. The baker even considered them ad friends. It was the queers who were assholes.

You dumb homophobic asshole- I am referring to assholes like you- who stomp their feet because and pretend to be victims because even Christians are expected to follow State law.

The baker in Washington actually seems like a nice person- unlike you homophobic assholes- but she broke state law.

 

[Syriusly]

How did such a POS get to be a pastor? He claims Christians are under attack yet he just proved that gay people are under attack by Christians.

Jesus ain't gonna be too pleased with that asshole.

But the homos are attacking Christian based businesses...of course in your rant and due to what is probably desires you fail to see or mention that

It isn't an attack to innocently order a product that the business sells. This "pastor" absolutely attacked gay people with his actions.

AGAIN!!!! The homos in one case admitted they targeted the Christian, that is NOT an innocent request. If the queers can't abide by the same rules then they should get out of the game and stop whining like little bitches

The Christian in this specific case admits he has targeted homosexuals- just like you do.

The difference is that this specific Christian broke the law in order to promote his own little jihad against homosexuals.

 

[Syriusly]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

 

[martybegan]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

 

[Papageorgio]

The problem is that the pastors order was NOT a "true" order, but in fact, a form of harassment. From the start he had no intention of actually buying that cake, he only wanted to use the phone call to harm the baker's business with the video on YouTube. That's not a /business/ transaction, but it could cause harm to the business and therefore falls under harassment.

And frankly I think the church establishments hit by the media in the reverse have the right to bring up a case as well. Problem is that action was taken by the media, and they're somewhat immune to harassment charges for some reason.

Homos have admitted targeting Christian bakers, even recording phone calls. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I disagree, this is just escalating nonsense. I think both sides should practice what they preach and learn to tolerate each other. I very much doubt that Jesus would be in any part of this.

Well it's really pretty simple, the homos cease and then there won't be none. Keep in mind who started it and now when the push back begins it's the homos screaming foul. That's BS, if you can't stand the heat don't try to get in the baker's oven

Why am I not surprised that you purposely mislead about this- but then again that is what bigots like you do.

So- after your outrage about the threats made against the Pizza Parlor for their supposed anti-gay stance- where is your 'outrage' about the threats made to this bakery?

Where is your outrage that this 'pastor' broke Florida law by illegally recording a telephone call without consent?

(next post I will discuss why this whole thing is bogus outrage)

CASSELBERRY --

Police are stepping up patrols around a family owned bakery in Longwood after threats were made to the owner because she refused to put an anti-gay message on a cake.

Sharon Haller, the owner of Cut the Cake, said the threats and harassing calls starting coming after an anonymous caller criticized her decision not to put the message on a cake.

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller said.

Sharon Haller told News 13 on Friday that it all started after Feuerstein, a former TV evangelist, posted a video on social media targeting the Seminole County-based business. The recording includes Haller's voice even though she said she didn't consent to being recorded.

Shortly after the video was posted, Haller said, she started to receive hundreds of hate calls.

"He gave credit card information and he said he wants written on the cake, 'I hate gays,'" Haller said.

She received threats, too.

"People (are) telling us that we need to kill ourselves and all kinds of stuff, and we're just afraid for our business and our safety."

Casselberry Police Department officials confirmed they are looking into the report, but they said it's not a criminal case at this time.

Police have offered Haller and bakery employees escorts if they feel threatened.

If anyone is threatening like this, they need to be locked up, this is the insanity that is absolutely wrong.

We need to be tolerant, this crap is just plain stupid, both sides need to lighten up.

BTW, do you have a link to all of this, I'd like to read up on this insanity.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Put him behind bars, where he belongs for being such an asshole. And bake the stupid cake.

If being an asshole were enough to put someone in jail, we wouldn't be hearing from you...unless they allow wi fi in prison now.

 

[Syriusly]

The article that supports the thread is misleading and makes the premise of the thread a lie. A Christian cake is not what was requested. A protest cake promoting a political agenda was requested. Unless the bakery was known for making protest cakes or advertised for the making of protest cakes a product was being requested that the bakery does not produce.

Horsepoo.
This is no different that Nazis going into a Jewish bakery and asking for a holocaust cake
.

You are right this is no different.

In neither case would any law be broken- and in both cases the baker could tell them to go to hell if he or she felt like it.

Here for the slower among you- let me show you how this works:

• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a baptism because he doesn't agree with Christianity- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for Martin Luther King Day because he doesn't want to promote African Americans- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake for a Bar Mitzvah because he is an anti-semite- breaks the law
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the person ordering the cake is German- breaks the law.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the Baker had family die in the Holocaust, and the cake says "We love Nazi's"- does not break the law.
  
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Christians Suck" on the cake- no law broken.
• Baker refuses to bake a cake because the person wants "Gays Suck" on the cake- no law broken.

Business's can refuse to provide service for lots of reasons- but not because the person ordering is Christian or Jewish, Black or White, and in States where PA laws include them- because the person ordering is gay.

So being in a protected class grants you uber rights, got it.

How about person goes to other baker, everyone gets on with their lives.

If you object to public accommodation laws that protect Christians and Jews and African Americans and others from discrimination by business's- then by all means you are free to try to repeal such laws.

 

[Syriusly]

How hypocritical. If anyone should be charged, it shouldn't be the customer. It wasn't the customer who was charged when a straight bakery person refused to make a homosexual wedding cake. If the homosexuals don't want us straight people in the game, they shouldn't have shown us how to play it in the first place then!!!

God bless you and the preacher always!!!

Holly

The Pastor apparently broke Florida law when he recorded the telephone conversation without permission- I don't remember 'homosexuals' teaching 'you straight people' (i.e. homophobic bigots) teaching you how to do that.