Pastor Admits To 'Sexual Incident' With A Minor, Gets Applauded By Congregation

[evenflow1969]

I think the average age of a first year high school student in that state is over the age of consent. According to the press release you supplied she was one year OVER the age of consent at 17.

Hey dark, check out this long winded air bag know it all Xelor . Have some fun with him will ya?

 

[Correll]

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....[/QUOTE]




My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

 

[harmonica]

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.[/QUOTE]
big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

 

[Correll]

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??[/QUOTE]



I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".

 

[harmonica]

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".[/QUOTE]
you can't/ won't understand
it's the LAW
stupid in YOUR opinion only
please provide evidence it is stupid....

 

[harmonica]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

here, you said ''not sexual assault''
after proving you wrong, instead of being a man and saying '' ok'' ----you say:
''that's stupid'' ---just like a little kid that doesn't get to play with firecrackers

 

[harmonica]

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".[/QUOTE]
if it was your daughter, would it be a stupid law?

 

[Correll]

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??[/QUOTE]



From your post.



" This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides."


Not clear to me that the victim has to be under 18 for this to apply.


And Monica did not live at the White House. Bill Clinton did. Monica would be the sexual assaultER.


How many times do I have to explain that to you?

 

[Correll]

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".

if it was your daughter, would it be a stupid law?[/QUOTE]


bringing up family is against forum rules.


Try another take.

 

[harmonica]

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

From your post.



" This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides."


Not clear to me that the victim has to be under 18 for this to apply.


And Monica did not live at the White House. Bill Clinton did. Monica would be the sexual assaultER.


How many times do I have to explain that to you?[/QUOTE]
Monica was not in a position of power

 

[Correll]

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

From your post.



" This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides."


Not clear to me that the victim has to be under 18 for this to apply.


And Monica did not live at the White House. Bill Clinton did. Monica would be the sexual assaultER.


How many times do I have to explain that to you?

Monica was not in a position of power[/QUOTE]


It would have been good if the law made that distinction clearly.


But it didn't.


You're the one citing the law as though the letter of the law is what defines right and wrong.


So, you ready to arrest Monica, or you want to rethink that?

 

[harmonica]

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".[/QUOTE]
so, will you now admit you are wrong when you said this was ''not sexual assault''??

(b) A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:

(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser;  or

(E) member of the clergy;

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 22.011 | FindLaw

1. these kinds of cases are in the news almost every week
..that teacher that drove the teen to CA is a perfect example and experts tell you the laws on this stuff
2.lots of members here spew out crap--without doing a basic research/etc

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

I think you have completely disregarded the fact he was 22 and she was 17.
If every early 20's male could be convicted of having sexual touching with a 17 year old...the unemployment issue would disappear in a day.

 

[Correll]

By those standards, Monica "Sexually assaulted Bill, since she was an employee at the White House where Bill resided.


That's stupid.

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah

and held a position of special trust as a school employee or volunteer while the minor was a student at the same school, it is a third-degree felony.

Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".

so, will you now admit you are wrong when you said this was ''not sexual assault''??

(b) A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:

(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser;  or

(E) member of the clergy;

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 22.011 | FindLaw

1. these kinds of cases are in the news almost every week
..that teacher that drove the teen to CA is a perfect example and experts tell you the laws on this stuff
2.lots of members here spew out crap--without doing a basic research/etc[/QUOTE]



From the story as we've seen it, this just does not look like something that should result in a man in jail.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The facts totally disregarded is that he stopped. The girl never said no. He said no. He got up and left.

No doubt the girl felt disappointed and rejected. It took 20 years for her to find a way to do something about it.

 

[harmonica]

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah
Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".

so, will you now admit you are wrong when you said this was ''not sexual assault''??

(b) A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:

(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser;  or

(E) member of the clergy;

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 22.011 | FindLaw

1. these kinds of cases are in the news almost every week
..that teacher that drove the teen to CA is a perfect example and experts tell you the laws on this stuff
2.lots of members here spew out crap--without doing a basic research/etc

From the story as we've seen it, this just does not look like something that should result in a man in jail.[/QUOTE]
ok ok --but it definitely could be sexual assault
I have daughters and have coached girls' teams
I made it a point never to be alone with any girls
coaches, clergyman, teachers, etc should not be allowed to use their position for these acts--
they are put in a position of trust--over children/teens
like the teacher who took the kid to CA, they groom these kids for months/years to get what the teacher wanted--one thing is sex
and sex one of the most important responsibilities == it produces children
so--the sexual assault laws should be and have to be adequate

 

[harmonica]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

I think you have completely disregarded the fact he was 22 and she was 17.
If every early 20's male could be convicted of having sexual touching with a 17 year old...the unemployment issue would disappear in a day.

see post # 116

 

[harmonica]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

I think you have completely disregarded the fact he was 22 and she was 17.
If every early 20's male could be convicted of having sexual touching with a 17 year old...the unemployment issue would disappear in a day.

so you and a LOT of your friends did that when you were in your early 20s??

 

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Texas dirt road when he should have taken her straight home to her mother's house.

this is wrong also--

 

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"I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, 'Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.' He said that several times," Woodson said.

!!!!!!!!!!!

even HE knew what he did was wrong