Pastor Admits To 'Sexual Incident' With A Minor, Gets Applauded By Congregation

[EvilCat Breath]

"I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, 'Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.' He said that several times," Woodson said.

!!!!!!!!!!!

even HE knew what he did was wrong

That's why he stopped.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh for Pete's sake people......

Finally after having to go through three ridiculous news articles I found one that actually states what happened.
And what happened was consensual, her claim that she was "confused and didn't know what was happening" while performing oral sex on him...is absurd. A 17 year old is well aware of what they are doing...she was 100% complicit in what happened.
IN FACT....
In her own words...he was the one who stopped her..and literally got out of the car and begged her for forgiveness.
As usual proportionality is completely lost. As well as how a person conducts themselves going forward. This happened when he was 22, how a person is at 22 has little bearing on who they are at 42...or even 32.
And this is why judges all across the land will consider age when a minor is involved. Had he been 32 at the time - DIFFERENT STORY. Had she been 14 ... DIFFERENT STORY.
But he wasn't and she wasn't.

 

[Spycraft]

The Bible clearly says any pastor must be above reproach, even his children should be publicly without fault.

So this guy now disqualifies himself as a pastor. End of discussion.

 

[featherlite]

The facts totally disregarded is that he stopped. The girl never said no. He said no. He got up and left.

No doubt the girl felt disappointed and rejected. It took 20 years for her to find a way to do something about it.

Obviously by law she was a minor...but the age difference isnt a big deal. He was in a trusted position is whats the big deal. A 20 yr old student teacher could never get away with dating a student...yet a 20 yr old dating 17 yr old is done quite often.
It gets creepy when someone middle age/ 40 yr old tempts someone knowing they are underage.

 

[harmonica]

"I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, 'Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.' He said that several times," Woodson said.

!!!!!!!!!!!

even HE knew what he did was wrong

That's why he stopped.

after the sexual assault

 

[harmonica]

The facts totally disregarded is that he stopped. The girl never said no. He said no. He got up and left.

No doubt the girl felt disappointed and rejected. It took 20 years for her to find a way to do something about it.

after he assaulted her
please look at my posts
this very well falls into sexual assault definition/law

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The Bible clearly says any pastor must be above reproach, even his children should be publicly without fault.

So this guy now disqualifies himself as a pastor. End of discussion.

Uh no it doesn't.

 

[harmonica]

"I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, 'Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.' He said that several times," Woodson said.

!!!!!!!!!!!

even HE knew what he did was wrong

That's why he stopped.

so he tells her she shouldn't say anything about it and

"I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, 'Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.' He said that several times," Woodson said

he did this because he knows he didn't do anything wrong??!!!!!!!!!!??!!!

now you will say she is lying--but he admitted it!!

he confessed to sexually assaulting a 17-year-old girl while he was her youth pastor some 20 years ago.

 

[featherlite]

Oh for Pete's sake people......

Finally after having to go through three ridiculous news articles I found one that actually states what happened.
And what happened was consensual, her claim that she was "confused and didn't know what was happening" while performing oral sex on him...is absurd. A 17 year old is well aware of what they are doing...she was 100% complicit in what happened.
IN FACT....
In her own words...he was the one who stopped her..and literally got out of the car and begged her for forgiveness.


As usual proportionality is completely lost. As well as how a person conducts themselves going forward. This happened when he was 22, how a person is at 22 has little bearing on who they are at 42...or even 32.
And this is why judges all across the land will consider age when a minor is involved. Had he been 32 at the time - DIFFERENT STORY. Had she been 14 ... DIFFERENT STORY.
But he wasn't and she wasn't.

He stopped her? a 22 yr old male? Public opinion loves a circus...the true sheeple.

If this had been addressed back when it happened it might be a different story for the guy.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh for Pete's sake people......

Finally after having to go through three ridiculous news articles I found one that actually states what happened.
And what happened was consensual, her claim that she was "confused and didn't know what was happening" while performing oral sex on him...is absurd. A 17 year old is well aware of what they are doing...she was 100% complicit in what happened.
IN FACT....
In her own words...he was the one who stopped her..and literally got out of the car and begged her for forgiveness.


As usual proportionality is completely lost. As well as how a person conducts themselves going forward. This happened when he was 22, how a person is at 22 has little bearing on who they are at 42...or even 32.
And this is why judges all across the land will consider age when a minor is involved. Had he been 32 at the time - DIFFERENT STORY. Had she been 14 ... DIFFERENT STORY.
But he wasn't and she wasn't.

He stopped her? a 22 yr old male? Public opinion loves a circus...the true sheeple.

If this had been addressed back when it happened it might be a different story for the guy.

That is what SHE SAID. I didn't say he stopped her, that is what she claims.
Don't believe it - then ask her.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It is simply amazing and horrible at the same time that for some reason millennials simply do not understand the meaning of proportionality.
And the ludicrous notion that at 17 years old "she was confused and not sure what was happening"...while she was sucking off his c*ck....uh huh.
Absurd

 

[harmonica]

irrelevant--it's the law...it's not stupid if you think about it
you must not read the news much, because cases like these are in the news a lot !!!!
that's why a lot of states include the position of power clause
I gave you the Texas example
Utah
Former Utah technical college teacher sentenced to prison for having sex with teen
FLA
Teacher, 29, arrested for having unprotected sex with 17-year-old student, police say
Mississippi
High School Teacher Caught on Tape Having Sex With 17-Year-Old Student
[QUOTE

• A child under 18 years of age and the perpetrator is an authority figure (such as a teacher, counselor, physician, legal guardian, parent, coach, etc.)

]

etc etc etc
they go to jail.....it's the law....

My point about any law that considers Monica's blow job to be sexual assault she committed on Bill, being stupid, stands.


Nothing in your post challenged it.

big difference between 16, 17, and 22 years old
AND Monica did not claim it was!!!!!!
this girl did--big difference
can you provide evidence that Monica said it was sexual assault??

I clearly pointed out that the law as written, if applied to DC, would consider Monica the sexual assaulter, because she worked at the facility where Bill resided.


That is the law as you presented it.


IMO, that is stupid.


AND an insult to women and girls who have really been sexually assaulted, to conflate what happened to them, with this girl's after the fact regret.


"He asked", she "did".

if it was your daughter, would it be a stupid law?

bringing up family is against forum rules.


Try another take.[/QUOTE]
I just looked at the rules again---you are wrong
where does it say you can't ''bring up'' family members?
it says:
no ATTACKS on family members
no implied attacks/etc....
this is no where near that--so YOU try again
it is NOT an attack or an implied one

 

[JoeMoma]

Sometimes laws are passed that create definitions which conflict with reality.

 

[MizMolly]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

He shouldn't be applauded. He should have been punished, but too late. It was not an assault, he asked, she consented. He realized it was wrong and apologized. The only problem was she was only 17.

 

[MizMolly]

I think the average age of a first year high school student in that state is over the age of consent. According to the press release you supplied she was one year OVER the age of consent at 17.

in TN its 18.
We believe in kids at least having 3/4 developed lungs before getting groped by AARP perverts.

She was 17

 

[MizMolly]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

Who did Clinton rape?

 

[MizMolly]

She had nothing to say for 20 years. Then she got the me too flu.

Case closed.

She reported it and he left the church he was with. But was not turned over to authorities

 

[MindWars]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

Who did Clinton rape?

LMAO if you gotta ask , me telling you won't matter other wise you would already know.

 

[MizMolly]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

Who did Clinton rape?

LMAO if you gotta ask , me telling you won't matter other wise you would already know.

There were allegations. A lot of people make assumptions because someone is accused. Some of the people who accuse have questionable characters.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

This is what fake Christianity is in America now. They twist everything, as do the people they vote for, to fit their narrative and attempt to paint themselves as 'always good people and victims'. It is so disgusting. These people are not Christians. They use his name as branding to collect money and deflect blame.

And they worship the money-changers.