Pastor Admits To 'Sexual Incident' With A Minor, Gets Applauded By Congregation

[depotoo]

The media wants to make all Christians look bad, rather than admit this had nothing to do with Christianity. Nowhere does the Bible, or preachers tell others it is ok to assault others physically, sexually or otherwise. Yet, they throw in their supposed faith, as though that had anything to do with their actions.

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

You believe such bs ........ the media lied and you fell for it..........

How did the media lie? You keep defending your fundie whore contingent just because they are white males who embrace right-wing politics, while calling everyone else names. You have never spoken to any point I have made. Don't like having your darling little tramps criticized or called into account, do you?

 

[Baz Ares]

12 is legal in mexico

Really? You seem to know first hand?

"In New Mexico, the age of consent is 17 years old. If an adult (an individual over the age of 18) has sex with a minor between the ages of 13 and 16, the adult may be prosecuted for 4th degree criminal sexual penetration"

 

[Tank]

12 is legal in mexico

Really? You seem to know first hand?

"In New Mexico, the age of consent is 17 years old. If an adult (an individual over the age of 18) has sex with a minor between the ages of 13 and 16, the adult may be prosecuted for 4th degree criminal sexual penetration"

If the Pastor is a Mexican it is not a crime, it is culture

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Apparently the girl was furious because he stopped and left her to pray. She was already convincing herself that he loved her.

No wonder he was applauded. He should be applauded. He overcame carnal desire and prayed instead.

 

[Baz Ares]

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

Gullible people fall for this BS of a magic man in the sky above. Forgiving your sins. FFS! People!
But if these child rape deeds get them a gate pass to enter their mentally unstable
fantasy land in the sky. As a personal doer of child rape deeds yourself or a supporting approver
of raping children is the godly thang to do. I guess you have the give the godly representative
a pass on the child rape associative activities so others can see how it's done.
To earn the lords love as a gullible devotee too a YUGE SCAM.

 

[Baz Ares]

12 is legal in mexico

Really? You seem to know first hand?

"In New Mexico, the age of consent is 17 years old. If an adult (an individual over the age of 18) has sex with a minor between the ages of 13 and 16, the adult may be prosecuted for 4th degree criminal sexual penetration"

If the Pastor is a Mexican it is not a crime, it is culture

So it sanctioned by the church and Mexico? Gee. WOW!?

Mexico
Legislative framework
In Mexico, criminal legislation is shared between the federal and state governments. The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances). Local state laws may override the federal law. In practice, the decision as to whether or not to prosecute is left to state authorities regardless of the younger person's age. At state level, the minimum ages of consent vary between 12 (and puberty in a few states) and 15, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities vary from 16 to 18 (most common 18).Ages of consent in North America - Wikipedia

 

[jknowgood]

Points one through nine well taken. Mr. Purity Himself didn't apologize until after Woodson exposed his "sin." Arguing "age of consent" is really meaningless in a situation in which an experienced adult, who is a clergy member teaching abstinence, deliberately drives a 17-year-old, who probably has not ever been in a sexual situation before, to a secluded area to take sexual advantage of her. I wonder if these people who gave this guy an ovation would have responded the same way if he had done the same thing to a 17-year-old boy.

So many of the people who claim to be Christians nowadays are nothing but hypocrites. And these "megachurches" all seem to be run by kooks.

Kinda like liberals has a nine year old boy, modeling for them in drag? That kinda taking advantage of. Now after that, I think what the pastor did was sick, like the way Clinton took advantage of a young intern.

Purity

Such deflection! You skipped right over the part that he was an adult, who was a clergy member who taught "purity" and "abstinence" to his charges, who deliberately used subterfuge to spirit one of them, who had probably never been in a sexual situation and probably had not been taught anything about sex, off to a secluded place and then demanded oral sex and fondled her, and then waited 20 years until she challenged him, and "confessed" two days later. An eight-year-old drag queen/model in Toronto is an entire different issue.

I know, the boys situation is worse, and liberals support that type of lifestyle.

 

[Lysistrata]

The media wants to make all Christians look bad, rather than admit this had nothing to do with Christianity. Nowhere does the Bible, or preachers tell others it is ok to assault others physically, sexually or otherwise. Yet, they throw in their supposed faith, as though that had anything to do with their actions.

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

You believe such bs ........ the media lied and you fell for it..........

How did the media lie? You keep defending your fundie whore contingent just because they are white males who embrace right-wing politics, while calling everyone else names. You have never spoken to any point I have made. Don't like having your darling little tramps criticized or called into account, do you?

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

When you can figure out where the root of it all is and why it starts you won't be a victim of believing bs.

Not saying this incident didn't happen, but over all as the media slams the war on Christians and msm makes it a point to say Christians this, Christian that, never mind an Atheist has done the same, or a Muslim has done the same the NWO are making it a point to create a hatred for the CHRISTIAN RELIGION there is a war some assholes choose not to believe is going on but it is and it's not hard to find.

The problem arises because these evangelical fundie clowns just call themselves "Christians," yet they do not represent the universe of Christianity by a long shot. Christians include everyone from Orthodox to Roman Catholic to Coptic and all the divisions of the Protestant variety, including but not limited to, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Quakers, United Church of Christ, Methodists, and more. Just how would you folks name yourselves as a group so that the media can be more accurate? The folks who believe in the "end times," wifely submission and sexual subjugation, women not wearing pants, LGbts are terrible and shouldn't be served, the biblical infallibility and innerrancy, and all the rest of this stuff do not come close to representing the entirely of Christian thought.

This Epperson appears to be a first-class conspiracy idiot. Yeah, so LGBTs can get married, so what? Whom a person chooses as a spouse under civil law does not affect anyone else. Parents are still allowed to raise their kids, unless, of course, the parents are LGBT. No one from the government is telling women, or men, that they cannot stay home with their kids. Divorce has been "easy" for a decades. It SHOULD be easy if one of the spouses breaks his or her vows, so remember what you say to your spouse at your wedding ceremony. I'm not seeing monogamy going away. My thought is one spouse per person, not only because more than one would totally screw up the distribution of benefits, the complications with taxes, and the complications with lines of inheritance, as well as who has decision-making authority if the common spouse is incapacitated, but also because I cannot fathom that any individual can maintain an intimate emotional and romantic connection with more than one individual simultaneously.

I am not seeing any movement toward the government being the sole owner of the means of production, quite the contrary. Nor do I see the private ownership of property being outlawed. Similarly, I don't see "religion" as being outlawed, but all religious adherents must obey civil laws of general applicability.

I wonder how this Epperson ever got published. He's a dork.

 

[featherlite]

That is a nauseating manipulative performance. If he is sincere he would do this in private and let the chips fall where they may. Number 7 is total bs.

 

[Correll]

I just read her account.

He asked her to do something. She did it.

Her word, "asked".


She was over the age of consent. This is not assault.


She later says, " she felt manipulated and used,".


HE is a sleaze, but not a rapist.

THe Church applauded his apology.



So, we done here?

I just linked and saw other sites that he admitted to sexual assault

So, the girl is lying?

have you posted any links??

I was citing the OP link.


You didn't read it?

from the OP

and sexually assaulted me?

Yeah...


When she was describing the actual incident she stated that "he asked" and then she "did it".


That's consent.

 

[Correll]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

 

[Correll]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior.....

Yeah, I stopped reading here. Why you lie so much?

 

[Lysistrata]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior.....

Yeah, I stopped reading here. Why you lie so much?

Point to me where I am lying. This "man," who is on his third marriage, has bragged about his whorish and perverted past out of his own mouth, on tape. He has bragged about his promiscuity. If one is an honorable Christian, who embraces Christian values as taught to the rest of us, why would he brag about leading such a wayward life? My understanding, through many decades, of the "Christian" approach to sexual morality is that one refrains from sexual activity until one can appear at the altar along side one's intended spouse to present to this soon-to-be spouse himself/herself as a "pure" soul, to live in fidelity to this spouse as long as they both shall live. Did I get Christian values wrong somehow?

 

[featherlite]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

 

[harmonica]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

 

[harmonica]

(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman's professional character as spiritual adviser;  or

Texas Penal Code - PENAL - PENAL § 22.011 | FindLaw

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If it was that bad, this girl could have complained at any time in the last 20 years.

 

[featherlite]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

But what she describes was not sexual assault.

No it wasnt, but it should be dealt with in private and include only the people involved. Why grovel in public if he made peace.
Public opinion is pretty much worthless

Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim. This includes the defendant being a health care services provider, clergyman, public servant, or an employee of a facility where the victim resides.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

My point was...the public isnt a court of law. I was making fun of the video, the pastor and the "church" for the phony display.
I didnt even read the whole thing and I assumed he was guilty. I ASSumed he raped her then was counting her in as part of the guilt. Thats what I labeled bs.
Of course anyone in a trusted position is held to higher standards, but anyone who exploits a minor for any reason is guilty also.

 

[monkrules]

I think it's a sin for which he will have to answer to God.

I also think some people allow this kind of thing to fester and ruin them. Many, if not most, 17-year old black American girls have at least one child. No father just a baby daddy. So if you feel like fretting yourself to death, there's something for you to worry about.

First, we have no proof that there IS a God. So leaving punishment to some super being in the sky is not logical.

Second, the problem with young black girls that you brought up, is something for the black community to deal with. It's something THEY should "worry about". Blacks do NOT want advice or opinions from white people. So, their problems are their own to solve, imo. Good luck to them. Time to get to work. Lol...

All blacks want from whites is money and as much free stuff as they can con them out of.

 

[evenflow1969]

A coal miner?

Memphis megachurch pastor Andy Savage received a standing ovation in church on Sunday after apologizing for assaulting a woman when she was a high school student.

Church ovation as pastor accused of sexually assaulting teen apologizes for his ‘sin’
Christian Publisher Cancels Marriage Book by Pastor Andy Savage After He Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen



A few things to note:

1. "more than 20 years ago" - this is said repeatedly and is meant to minimize what happened
   
2. he continues to call it a sexual "incident" rather than sexual assault
   
3. he says he took full responsibility for his actions, but what he did was actually illegal, and he did not take any take any legal responsibility
   
4. he says he shared every aspect of what he did with his wife before he asked her to marry him - the implicit framing here is that the issue is about sexual purity rather than sexual assault and abuse of power
   
5. he says "I never sought to cover this up" - but where in all his teaching about sexual purity has he admitted to sexually assaulting a minor under his spiritual care?
   
6. the lead pastor prays that God would touch the heart of the victim and "heal her of the pain that was caused from this sin 20 years ago" - notice again the minimizing use of the time frame, as well as the use of the word "sin"
   
7. the use of the word "sin" carries the subtle implication of her participation in a shared failure rather than her victimization
   
8. the lead pastor says "Guess what, this sin did not happen in the last couple days. This sin happened over 20 years ago. That does not minimize the sin." - I can't see why they would continue to emphasize how long ago this happened for any reason other than to minimize it
   
9. the lead pastor says, "none of us want anyone to throw a stone. Why? Because you never heal by hurting others." - the implication is that telling the truth is throwing a stone, and that asking for the truth to be told is hurtful

Source: Stacey Simpson Duke (@revdrduke) | Twitter

So what do you guys think about this?

It is sad to say but I almost unstand it. Some actually admitting they were wrong about anything is so rare now a days that I almost feel like cheering when I here it.