Pastor Admits To 'Sexual Incident' With A Minor, Gets Applauded By Congregation

[depotoo]

Ok, I have to question this. She was a willing participant. Did he have an obligation to not approach her in such a way? Ethically, yes. But without what happened here totally told, it wasn’t quite as it has been presented. This is her story-

One evening, in the early Spring of 1998, I was hanging out with my youth minister, Andy Savage, at my church, Woodlands Parkway Baptist Church located at 10801 Falconwing Drive. I was 17 years old at the time and a senior at The Woodlands High School. There had been multiple kids there at the church after school, but as the night got later I was the only student left, alone in the church with Andy. I did not have a vehicle at the church, so Andy offered to take me home to my Mom's house.



It was dark outside. As he was driving me towards my home, he passed the turn he should have made to go to my house. I asked him where he was going. I don't remember his exact response, but it was something along the lines of ‘you'll see’ or ‘it's a surprise.’ I know for sure he did not tell me where he was taking me. I remember feeling special and excited, as in my mind, he obviously wanted to spend more time with me before taking me home. I assumed we were going to get ice cream.



*He turned onto a dirt road and continued to drive. There were trees all around. I could not see the main road anymore, from which he turned from. I asked what was back here. He told me they were building a church. I thought, maybe that’s what this was about, maybe he has some secret to tell me, like perhaps he was moving to another church. We reached a dead end and he turned the truck around before putting it in park. We were stopped, and he turned the headlights off. Suddenly, Andy unzipped his jeans and pulled out his penis. He asked me to suck it. I was scared and embarrassed, but I did it. I remember feeling that this must mean that Andy loved me. He then asked me to unbutton my shirt. I did. He started touching me over my bra and then lifted my bra up and began touching my breasts.



After what I believe to have been about 5 minutes of this going on, he suddenly stopped, got out of the truck and ran around the back and to my side before falling to his knees. I quickly buttoned my shirt back up and got out of the truck. Now I was terrified and ashamed. I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, ‘Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.’ He said that several times. My fear and shame quickly turned to anger. I had just been manipulated and used. I swore to him I wouldn't tell anyone just to get him to stop. We both got back in the truck. As he drove me home, I don’t remember there being any conversation. I was in shock.

 

[harmonica]

I think the average age of a first year high school student in that state is over the age of consent. According to the press release you supplied she was one year OVER the age of consent at 17.

but she didn't consent--it was sexual assault

I just read her account.

He asked her to do something. She did it.

Her word, "asked".


She was over the age of consent. This is not assault.


She later says, " she felt manipulated and used,".


HE is a sleaze, but not a rapist.

THe Church applauded his apology.



So, we done here?

Andy Savage, teaching pastor at the popular Highpoint Church Memphis in Tennessee, admitted Friday that he sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl while he was her youth pastor 20 years ago but he repented immediately

Memphis Megachurch Pastor Andy Savage Admits to Sexually Assaulting Teen in Past, Says He Repented Immediately
this is a christian site--surely they wouldn't lie

 

[depotoo]

Actually, she did. See my post above.

Points one through nine well taken. Mr. Purity Himself didn't apologize until after Woodson exposed his "sin." Arguing "age of consent" is really meaningless in a situation in which an experienced adult, who is a clergy member teaching abstinence, deliberately drives a 17-year-old, who probably has not ever been in a sexual situation before, to a secluded area to take sexual advantage of her. I wonder if these people who gave this guy an ovation would have responded the same way if he had done the same thing to a 17-year-old boy.

So many of the people who claim to be Christians nowadays are nothing but hypocrites. And these "megachurches" all seem to be run by kooks.

she didn't consent--it was sexual assault

 

[harmonica]

but she didn't consent--it was sexual assault

I just read her account.

He asked her to do something. She did it.

Her word, "asked".


She was over the age of consent. This is not assault.


She later says, " she felt manipulated and used,".


HE is a sleaze, but not a rapist.

THe Church applauded his apology.



So, we done here?

I just linked and saw other sites that he admitted to sexual assault

So, the girl is lying?

have you posted any links??

I was citing the OP link.


You didn't read it?

from the OP

and sexually assaulted me?

 

[Aba Incieni]

Ok, I have to question this. She was a willing participant. Did he have an obligation to not approach her in such a way? Ethically, yes. But without what happened here totally told, it wasn’t quite as it has been presented. This is her story-

One evening, in the early Spring of 1998, I was hanging out with my youth minister, Andy Savage, at my church, Woodlands Parkway Baptist Church located at 10801 Falconwing Drive. I was 17 years old at the time and a senior at The Woodlands High School. There had been multiple kids there at the church after school, but as the night got later I was the only student left, alone in the church with Andy. I did not have a vehicle at the church, so Andy offered to take me home to my Mom's house.



It was dark outside. As he was driving me towards my home, he passed the turn he should have made to go to my house. I asked him where he was going. I don't remember his exact response, but it was something along the lines of ‘you'll see’ or ‘it's a surprise.’ I know for sure he did not tell me where he was taking me. I remember feeling special and excited, as in my mind, he obviously wanted to spend more time with me before taking me home. I assumed we were going to get ice cream.



*He turned onto a dirt road and continued to drive. There were trees all around. I could not see the main road anymore, from which he turned from. I asked what was back here. He told me they were building a church. I thought, maybe that’s what this was about, maybe he has some secret to tell me, like perhaps he was moving to another church. We reached a dead end and he turned the truck around before putting it in park. We were stopped, and he turned the headlights off. Suddenly, Andy unzipped his jeans and pulled out his penis. He asked me to suck it. I was scared and embarrassed, but I did it. I remember feeling that this must mean that Andy loved me. He then asked me to unbutton my shirt. I did. He started touching me over my bra and then lifted my bra up and began touching my breasts.



After what I believe to have been about 5 minutes of this going on, he suddenly stopped, got out of the truck and ran around the back and to my side before falling to his knees. I quickly buttoned my shirt back up and got out of the truck. Now I was terrified and ashamed. I remember him pleading, while he was on his knees with his hands up on his head, ‘Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You can't tell anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you.’ He said that several times. My fear and shame quickly turned to anger. I had just been manipulated and used. I swore to him I wouldn't tell anyone just to get him to stop. We both got back in the truck. As he drove me home, I don’t remember there being any conversation. I was in shock.

She got some ice cream, alright.

 

[harmonica]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

 

[depotoo]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

 

[harmonica]

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

 

[Lysistrata]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

 

[MindWars]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

You believe such bs ........ the media lied and you fell for it..........

 

[harmonica]

• Consent is lacking in any situation where the defendant is in a place of power or charged with the care of the victim.

Texas Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw
final

 

[Aba Incieni]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

You are done. The Great Squawk is done. What you hear is the dying gasp of an idea whose time has passed.

 

[depotoo]

But her story says no such thing. She says he asked, she said yes. He regretted it, as soon as it happened. It was not an assault, in my definition of assault. He did not force her. As her youth pastor, was he ethically wrong? Yes.
And your TN definition calls it battery, even if he didn’t force himself on her.

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

 

[harmonica]

But her story says no such thing. She says he asked, she said yes. He regretted it, as soon as it happened. It was not an assault, in my definition of assault. He did not force her. As her youth pastor, was he ethically wrong? Yes.

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

see post # 51

 

[depotoo]

I just amended my post.

But her story says no such thing. She says he asked, she said yes. He regretted it, as soon as it happened. It was not an assault, in my definition of assault. He did not force her. As her youth pastor, was he ethically wrong? Yes.

so we have many links stating he admitted to sexual assault
he didn't admit to it??

He knew in his position he never should have done what he did, but he forced nothing on her. She willingly participated in giving him a bj. See above, her story, post 41. He admits to what she said happened.
Watch Keep: Silent no more: a survivor of sexual assault by prominent Memphis pastor Andy Savage shares her story #metoo #churchtoo #silenceisnotspiritual

she says sexual assault per the OP

see post # 51

 

[MindWars]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

When you can figure out where the root of it all is and why it starts you won't be a victim of believing bs.

Not saying this incident didn't happen, but over all as the media slams the war on Christians and msm makes it a point to say Christians this, Christian that, never mind an Atheist has done the same, or a Muslim has done the same the NWO are making it a point to create a hatred for the CHRISTIAN RELIGION there is a war some assholes choose not to believe is going on but it is and it's not hard to find.

 

[harmonica]

if the person is in a position of power = sexual assault per post # 51

 

[Lysistrata]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

 

[depotoo]

Yes, he was ethically/morally wrong to put her in that position, and by TN law, also considered sexual battery. Though he never used his position to demand anything of her.

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

 

[Lysistrata]

So Hollywood whores are doing the same thing to Weinstein the Rapist leftist have real mental issues ...
They support Weinstein, they vote Bill Clinton, then they support his wife who gets child rapist off..

and ppl have the balls to poke fun at a pastor Mmmmk. Oh I get as long as it's a religion the CHRISTIAN religion only now mind you it's a horrible act.

But Muslims who marry 9 yr olds that's just perfectly fine........ You fkrs( leftist, democratic, antifa...etc...) are so twisted in the head you define the meaning of MENTAL ILLNESS......................

No, we're not done. trump IS a misogynist. He's got a whole string of charges against him, and he has admitted to all sorts of misogynist behavior that also was in direct contradiction to what has been known as "Christian" sexual morality. You know: the no sex until marriage, and, after marriage, only with one's spouse. Epstein's parties with 13-year-old girls? Claiming that, during the Vietnam war he courageously avoided getting STDs in Manhattan? If one has to make a heroic effort in Manhattan to avoid STDs, one has to fit the popular definition of the term "whore," which has never, in general usage, required the exchange of money.

Why do you think that rightwing fundie "Christian" "pastors" are to be excused for anything they do, particularly when the cults they come from are thoroughly misogynist themselves, and fundie "Christian" politicians are likewise untouchable or should be? If people can "poke fun" at Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and everybody else, why treat fundie "Christians" as if they have little halos hovering over their heads or over other upright places on their anatomies? Why don't you have pictures of Kayla Moore, Swaggart's wife, Vitter's wife, Josh Duggar's wife up there? Why does this "Stand By Your Man" only apply to right-wing "Christians"?

I bet that he is married to some poor girl who was trained in the cults from a very young age to serve her master's "needs" on demand and never was given an opportunity to go out and experience the world. So little slut Andy can still go home and demand as many BJ's as he wants.

You believe such bs ........ the media lied and you fell for it..........

How did the media lie? You keep defending your fundie whore contingent just because they are white males who embrace right-wing politics, while calling everyone else names. You have never spoken to any point I have made. Don't like having your darling little tramps criticized or called into account, do you?