Passover to Exodus, let the story be told

[Woodznutz]

Passover to Exodus, let the story be told

Passover, Hebrew Pesaḥ or Pesach, in Judaism, holiday commemorating the Hebrews’ liberation from slavery in Egypt and the “passing over” of the forces of destruction, or the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites, when the Lord “smote the land of Egypt” on the eve of the Exodus.

The above troubles me a bit. Since the Jews knew the angel of death was coming and the only way, they could be spared is to sprinkle lambs blood on their door why didn’t the warn others who were not Jews?

The part of scripture troubles me to, the idea the Jews were slaves in Egypt. Scripture tells another story—

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.

(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Clearly the Jews were not slaves in Egypt. Joseph ruled over Egypt and would have continued to rule until Moses destroys it all.

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brothers, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brothers. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Why smite you your fellow?

A fellow? The Egyptians were treating the Jews as fellow Egyptians.

Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelled in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well. Moses and all the others flee Egypt and are scattered throughout the land.
Exodus 2:11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to his own people and observed their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people.

The above marks the beginning of the great exodus. The Jews were not slaves, the Jews ruled over Egypt and the fled because Moses murders a man in cold blood.

The above is the true history of the Jews of old. Have they changed their ways?

You are welcome to correct me where corrections are needed.

You've stitched cherrypicked verses together into a 'frankenstory'.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why smite you your fellow?

A fellow? The Egyptians were treating the Jews as fellow Egyptians.





You are welcome to correct me where corrections are needed.

Moses said why smite your fellow Israelite.

11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?

14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.

 

[irosie91]

Moses said why smite your fellow Israelite.

11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?

14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.

Mr. Nutz is on the wagon---no four cups for him

 

[Woodznutz]

Mr. Nutz is on the wagon---no four cups for him

Meaning?

 

[irosie91]

Meaning?

four cups of wine----if you don't know---forget about that invite to your cousin's seder

 

[Woodznutz]

four cups of wine----if you don't know---forget about that invite to your cousin's seder

How does this relate to my post about Moses?

 

[Lisa558]

How does this relate to my post about Moses?

She’s saying that people so negative toward Jews and who mock the story of Moses and our exodus from Egypt would not be welcome at a Seder.

Same thing as if I were to mock the idea that a virgin gave birth, and declaring that the whole Jesus resurrected story was made up, I would not expect to be welcome at Christmas brunch.

 

[Woodznutz]

She’s saying that people so negative toward Jews and who mock the story of Moses and our exodus from Egypt would not be welcome at a Seder.

Same thing as if I were to mock the idea that a virgin gave birth, and declaring that the whole Jesus resurrected story was made up, I would not expect to be welcome at Christmas brunch.

Still confused. When did I mock that story?

Moses was a Levite. The others were Hebrews of unknown tribal affiliation.

 

[Lisa558]

Still confused. When did I mock that story?

On the eve of Passover, you decide now is a good time to claim the story is a lie, that Jews were never slaves, that Moses is an unprovoked murderer, and that Jews “ruled” over Egypt.

You just shit on the beliefs of millions of people, and the most important historical event in the history of the Jewish people.

And I bet you think that you’re going to Heaven, huh?

 

[Woodznutz]

On the eve of Passover, you decide now is a good time to claim the story is a lie, that Jews were never slaves, that Moses is an unprovoked murderer, and that Jews “ruled” over Egypt.

You just shit on the beliefs of millions of people, and the most important historical event in the history of the Jewish people.

And I bet you think that you’re going to Heaven, huh?

I didn't make those statements, watchingfromafar did. I just corrected something he said.

 

[Lisa558]

I didn't make those statements, watchingfromafar did. I just corrected something he said.

Let me go back and check….

 

[Lisa558]

I didn't make those statements, watchingfromafar did. I just corrected something he said.

You’re correct. My greatest apologies.

 

[Woodznutz]

You’re correct. My greatest apologies.

Forty lashes with a wet Manischewitz noodle.

(Oh wait, only thirty-nine are allowed.)

 

[irosie91]

How does this relate to my post about Moses?

it doesn't ---just a little bonus info

 

[Woodznutz]

it doesn't ---just a little bonus info

Interesting. Thanks. (I don't have a Jewish cousin.)

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