Passion of the Christ: Most Beautiful Love Story of all time

[AllieBaba]

The Spanish Inquisition was the Catholic Church and the political forces of the day. Not "Christianity".

The Catholic Church was the *only* major form of Christianity existent for centuries before the Protestant schism.

Yeah. All those early Christians being fed to the lions were Catholics.

 

[AllieBaba]

By what standard of measure? Demonstrate perfection and how Mankind might be measured against it.

This is such a huge question. The standard is not ours, it is God's

demonstrate the standard. first, you must still demonstrate that your god exists

. And none of us can achieve the standard of God because of the fall.

demonstrate

Greed, lust, lying...we consider ourselves "good" compared to the local ax murderer, but compared to God we all fall way short. Has any one of us never lied? never lusted?

I never ordered genocide

I never committed genocide

i never slaughtered countless children

therefore, I am more moral than your god

No, morality in God is righteousness, and with righteousness there must be judgment and punishment.

 

[Agnapostate]

Yeah. All those early Christians being fed to the lions were Catholics.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about your ignorance of Christianity. But this is simply stupid beyond belief. After the development of orthodox Christianity, and aside from the split with the Greek Orthodox Church, what other major branch existed prior to the development of Protestantism that mirrored the sectarian differences within Christianity today?

 

[Toro]

For about 1500 years, if you were a Christian, you were a Catholic.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Don't know if I'm the first to point this out, but "Passion" is ineligible for an Emmy Award.

 

[Anguille]

Yeah. All those early Christians being fed to the lions were Catholics.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about your ignorance of Christianity. But this is simply stupid beyond belief. After the development of orthodox Christianity, and aside from the split with the Greek Orthodox Church, what other major branch existed prior to the development of Protestantism that mirrored the sectarian differences within Christianity today?

Bubbles belongs to a Baptist cult that thinks they predate Roman Catholicism even though there is no evidence whatsoever to back up their claim.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Yeah. All those early Christians being fed to the lions were Catholics.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about your ignorance of Christianity. But this is simply stupid beyond belief. After the development of orthodox Christianity, and aside from the split with the Greek Orthodox Church, what other major branch existed prior to the development of Protestantism that mirrored the sectarian differences within Christianity today?

I think you used too many big words for her in that one.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yeah, that's it.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Christian world was 100 percent Catholic between 300 ad and 1800.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Yeah, that's it.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Christian world was 100 percent Catholic between 300 ad and 1800.

Really?

I mean.....really? You must be puzzled by a lot in this world.

 

[Anguille]

I DO have a fairytale story with the Lord though, but men probably won't appreciate it so skip it if you don't like shopping and catty women....

At the first few months of my new job years ago, I sat between two women that hated each other but once I started there they directed all their bitterness at ME. I heard nothing but mean bossing and criticism all day long in STEREO. I wouldn't complain but co-workers that could overhear it complained to my boss. They were harsh, harsh, women, now ganging up on ME, like a step-child.

For MONTHS I would pray every day, at every unfair attack, "God, I'm giving this to YOU, I know You see this and I'm just going to 'cast my cares on You, leave them at the cross like the songs say. Help me try to leave them there.'" It was so bad sometimes I actually cried at night and I never cry. But I couldn't quit because it was part time and paid well. My kids were still young and I needed to be home by 2.

After months of this a Christmas Ball was scheduled. I searched and searched for something to wear and almost bought a beautiful watery blue skirt but it was WAY too expensive and I couldn't find anything that matched it. For weeks, one of my "step-sisters" bragged about a blue skirt she got, went on and on about it and my heart would ache to go buy the one that I saw, but I didn't. Once in a while she asked me accusingly, "What are YOU going to wear?" and all I could say was oh, just an old black dress I have. It was shabby and hardly formal, but I thought it might get by.

The day of the ball we were all excited, a big Christian name (though I never heard of him) was going to perform for us exclusively. At 5:00 I was in a rush to get home to get ready when I heard the Holy Spirit tell me to stop by Gottschalks on the way home. I couldn't believe it. There was NO TIME and I'd all ready scoured the stores. But the Holy Spirit WAS insistent, so I went. And there, all alone on a rack, marked for Clearance was an AMAZING long black sequined dress that was a knockout, the only one there and wouldn't ya know it was just my size and fit like a glove? I was STUNNED and after all the discounts it was $22.79! Un-freaking-believable price.

Now, really late, I raced home, wondering if I could actually wear it because it was way revealing. I remembered an old black leotard that might match the cloth that maybe I could wear under it that wasn't quite so low cut. This was a Christian operation and the dress alone would have been...bad. But I hadn't seen the leotard in years and was afraid I'd trashed it. I prayed "Lord, please help me find it." As I parked in the garage rushing for the house, something caught my eye as I passed the LAWNMOWER and for some BIZARRE reason the leotard was under the freaking lawnmower! I have no idea how I noticed it in my disaster of a garage and I never mow the lawn, my kids do.

I grabbed it, WASHED it, dried it while I showered and swooped my hair up (I never do that but it worked as if by itself). My little son popped up somehow with an old but well kept silver-metallic lacy shawl that I had forgotten and was perfect. Everything fell into place like a miracle, I felt like Cinderella being transformed at the last minute by bits and pieces from the most bizarre places. And when I walked into the ballroom a little late, people were already seated, which made my entrance noticed. The room actually went silent and people literally GASPED. (I was from the mountains and all my clothes never really fit in with the city). I remember the glare from that "step-sister" and her eyes said, "Old black dress, yeah, right."

To top it off, SHE was wearing the exact same expensive blue skirt that I had almost bought but she wore it with a fuzzy mauve top that didn't match at all and made her look awful! It enhanced rolls I never even knew she had! I know we're not supposed to enjoy that but man, I couldn't help it, I had taken SO MUCH ABUSE and it still makes me smile...(oops)

It was an AMAZING night. So ya, God is the Giver of all good things. And sometimes, if we give it all to Him, He gives it back with a sense of humor

It has occurred to me why this story smelled so fishy when I read it. It's a total rip-off of the Cinderella story. Two mean coworkers/stepsisters, a fancy ball to go to, Jesus/fairy god mother gives you a pretty dress at the last minute ... Jent, you've been busted!!!

 

[JBeukema]

No, morality in God is righteousness, and with righteousness there must be judgment and punishment.

Incorrect. Adherence to commands is obedience only and not morality. Christians act not out of any morality, but out of desire for reward and to avoid punishment. Atheists who adhere to humanistic and similar philosophies act not out of any hope for such a reward as the christian seeks to accomplish, and are therefore more moral than christians, as their motivations are far less selfish than those of christians.

 

[JenT]

No, morality in God is righteousness, and with righteousness there must be judgment and punishment.

Incorrect. Adherence to commands is obedience only and not morality. Christians act not out of any morality, but out of desire for reward and to avoid punishment. Atheists who adhere to humanistic and similar philosophies act not out of any hope for such a reward ans the christian seeks to accomplish, and are therefore more moral than christians, as their motivations are far less selfish than those of christians.

JB how did you turn this thread into a moral whizzing contest?

 

[JBeukema]

so, to recap

jen has a mental illness and has acknowledged this

jesus was a false prophet and a sinner and was sent to test man's faith

christians are amoral

 

[JenT]

Yeah. All those early Christians being fed to the lions were Catholics.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about your ignorance of Christianity. But this is simply stupid beyond belief. After the development of orthodox Christianity, and aside from the split with the Greek Orthodox Church, what other major branch existed prior to the development of Protestantism that mirrored the sectarian differences within Christianity today?

Agna, I think it's disingenuous to claim the early church was "Catholic", they were just Christians at first, "little Christs"

And I have never understood why the Catholics would change the meaning of the word "saints" which Paul used to call ALL BELIEVERS, to just the ones the Catholic Church cannonized.

It was actions like that that caused me to stop going to mass (though again, many born agains in the Catholic Church)

 

[JenT]

I DO have a fairytale story with the Lord though, but men probably won't appreciate it so skip it if you don't like shopping and catty women....

At the first few months of my new job years ago, I sat between two women that hated each other but once I started there they directed all their bitterness at ME. I heard nothing but mean bossing and criticism all day long in STEREO. I wouldn't complain but co-workers that could overhear it complained to my boss. They were harsh, harsh, women, now ganging up on ME, like a step-child.

For MONTHS I would pray every day, at every unfair attack, "God, I'm giving this to YOU, I know You see this and I'm just going to 'cast my cares on You, leave them at the cross like the songs say. Help me try to leave them there.'" It was so bad sometimes I actually cried at night and I never cry. But I couldn't quit because it was part time and paid well. My kids were still young and I needed to be home by 2.

After months of this a Christmas Ball was scheduled. I searched and searched for something to wear and almost bought a beautiful watery blue skirt but it was WAY too expensive and I couldn't find anything that matched it. For weeks, one of my "step-sisters" bragged about a blue skirt she got, went on and on about it and my heart would ache to go buy the one that I saw, but I didn't. Once in a while she asked me accusingly, "What are YOU going to wear?" and all I could say was oh, just an old black dress I have. It was shabby and hardly formal, but I thought it might get by.

The day of the ball we were all excited, a big Christian name (though I never heard of him) was going to perform for us exclusively. At 5:00 I was in a rush to get home to get ready when I heard the Holy Spirit tell me to stop by Gottschalks on the way home. I couldn't believe it. There was NO TIME and I'd all ready scoured the stores. But the Holy Spirit WAS insistent, so I went. And there, all alone on a rack, marked for Clearance was an AMAZING long black sequined dress that was a knockout, the only one there and wouldn't ya know it was just my size and fit like a glove? I was STUNNED and after all the discounts it was $22.79! Un-freaking-believable price.

Now, really late, I raced home, wondering if I could actually wear it because it was way revealing. I remembered an old black leotard that might match the cloth that maybe I could wear under it that wasn't quite so low cut. This was a Christian operation and the dress alone would have been...bad. But I hadn't seen the leotard in years and was afraid I'd trashed it. I prayed "Lord, please help me find it." As I parked in the garage rushing for the house, something caught my eye as I passed the LAWNMOWER and for some BIZARRE reason the leotard was under the freaking lawnmower! I have no idea how I noticed it in my disaster of a garage and I never mow the lawn, my kids do.

I grabbed it, WASHED it, dried it while I showered and swooped my hair up (I never do that but it worked as if by itself). My little son popped up somehow with an old but well kept silver-metallic lacy shawl that I had forgotten and was perfect. Everything fell into place like a miracle, I felt like Cinderella being transformed at the last minute by bits and pieces from the most bizarre places. And when I walked into the ballroom a little late, people were already seated, which made my entrance noticed. The room actually went silent and people literally GASPED. (I was from the mountains and all my clothes never really fit in with the city). I remember the glare from that "step-sister" and her eyes said, "Old black dress, yeah, right."

To top it off, SHE was wearing the exact same expensive blue skirt that I had almost bought but she wore it with a fuzzy mauve top that didn't match at all and made her look awful! It enhanced rolls I never even knew she had! I know we're not supposed to enjoy that but man, I couldn't help it, I had taken SO MUCH ABUSE and it still makes me smile...(oops)

It was an AMAZING night. So ya, God is the Giver of all good things. And sometimes, if we give it all to Him, He gives it back with a sense of humor

It has occurred to me why this story smelled so fishy when I read it. It's a total rip-off of the Cinderella story. Two mean coworkers/stepsisters, a fancy ball to go to, Jesus/fairy god mother gives you a pretty dress at the last minute ... Jent, you've been busted!!!

Darlin, that's why I called it my "cinderella story" or fairytale story, or are you being coy?

 

[RadiomanATL]

Agna, I think it's disingenuous to claim the early church was "Catholic",

Except that is what they called themselves.

Any more ignorance you wish to trot out on display for all?

 

[JenT]

so, to recap

jen has a mental illness and has acknowledged this

jesus was a false prophet and a sinner and was sent to test man's faith

christians are amoral

A recap of your deductions (shrug)

I hope you're happy in this life JB, I really do.

 

[JBeukema]

A recap of what has been demonstrated, Jen. None of which you have been able to refute or rebut.

 

[JenT]

Agna, I think it's disingenuous to claim the early church was "Catholic",

Except that is what they called themselves.

Any more ignorance you wish to trot out on display for all?

if you want to parse words I think I'd rather go fold laundry, bbl

 

[JenT]

A recap of what has been demonstrated, Jen. None of which you have been able to refute or rebut.

JB, you're cute, you know that? You really are