Party Loyalty is Poison

[Billiejeens]

You go with the tribe you feel will protect you.

It's a feeling that has to be overcome.

Why?

 

[Seymour Flops]

I expect pretty much what we've seen. Rule by EO and bloated, omnibus bills that hide who knows what - passed on a purely partisan basis

What I'd prefer to see is real leadership. Real consensus building. Someone who could make the case for why limited government and individual rights are more important than ever. Because they are.

Great.

But since it is the U.S. Constitution itself that unwittingly guarantees a two-party system,* what would you like to see instead of our Constitutional system?

Trump won't do that. Can't do that. All he'll do is alienate people and recharge opposition to whatever he advocates.

There is nothing any Republican who makes it to the White House can do to get Democrats and "not Democrats" to like him.

You're old enough to have been aware of the reaction to not only OMB, but almost as much vitriol directed against Bush the Younger, Bush the Elder, Reagan, and Nixon.

Yes, to your point, that is caused by misguided partisanship. What is your idea to improve that? Just wait for the great leader you hope for?

*That's why the founders were so strong in their warnings against parties. They could see that well-organized and financed political parties could determine who would fill all the seats of government. We're blessed that we have two at least, instead of just one.

 

[Independent thinker]

The founders knew it. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knows it. We've replaced principles and values with "sides".

The Founding Fathers Feared Political Factions Would Tear the Nation Apart | HISTORY

The Constitution's framers viewed political parties as a necessary evil.

www.history.com

I have to give you some credit for planting seeds. But, your strategy of making us think we should just vote for "other" is just wrong. Other is just as bad as the big two. You're naive if you think other is better. We need massive change of how the system works instead of just voting other. That's what we really need.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Why?

Trust

 

[HikerGuy83]

Are you trying to abridge my Freedom of Speech, fascist?

Stop deflecting dickweed.

This would be self censure on your part....if anything were to be done.

We'll just call you one of the bigger hypocrites on the board.

 

[konradv]

Stop deflecting dickweed.

This would be self censure on your part....if anything were to be done.

We'll just call you one of the bigger hypocrites on the board.

Deflection is a main MAGA tactic. Sounds like projection to me.

 

[konradv]

"neccesary" being the key word.

The MAGA cult is hardly necessary.

 

[eagle1462010]

Poor poor dems. Seems your side has hard choices coming.

Look how much Leftist states get on Medicare versus everyone else.

New York and California. My God.

25% of all Medicare money to those 2 states alone

Take a look.
Total Medicaid Spending | KFF

 

[Billiejeens]

The MAGA cult is hardly necessary.

The results say otherwise.

 

[eagle1462010]

Texas and Florida both have larger populations than New York.....

BUT..BUT...BUT..

NEW YORK spends more on Medicare than both Texas and Florida together.

Me thinks New York STEALING and Californis MASSIVELY

 

[HikerGuy83]

Deflection is a main MAGA tactic. Sounds like projection to me.

You are the one whining about name calling all the while doing a bunch of name calling.

I think we know where the projection is.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The founders knew it. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knows it. We've replaced principles and values with "sides".

The Founding Fathers Feared Political Factions Would Tear the Nation Apart | HISTORY

The Constitution's framers viewed political parties as a necessary evil.

www.history.com

I think we should bring forth the OP again.

It is lost in all the tripe and is certainly worth discussing.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

You’re assuming Trump/MAGA is normal and not a fascistic cult. Trump and his Project 2025 minions are doing everything they can to eliminate the back and forth checks and balances. That’s why you see so many oldline Republicans and Democrats joining forces to battle Trumpism.

Leftism has destroyed the back and forth checks and balances.

 

[tahuyaman]

MAGA prefers one-party rule, like their heroes Putin, Kim and Xi.

Why do people like you post such stupid comments?

 

[struth]

The founders knew it. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knows it. We've replaced principles and values with "sides".

The Founding Fathers Feared Political Factions Would Tear the Nation Apart | HISTORY

The Constitution's framers viewed political parties as a necessary evil.

www.history.com

Yes they are a necessary evil.

 

[sartre play]

You're dumb enough to think politics is a sporting event. Not once has any sports game caused inflation or a loss of freedom.

Has Become one. Why do you think your leader shows up at Only MAJOR SPORTS EVENTS?
when golf is his only interest/ main sport event?

 

[dblack]

Great.

But since it is the U.S. Constitution itself that unwittingly guarantees a two-party system,* what would you like to see instead of our Constitutional system?

We'd need no changes to the Constitution. The two parties are embedded by laws and tradition - not Constitutional requirement.

Regardless, the movement to voting systems that nullify strategic voting (aka lesser-of-two-evils) is the most promising reform on the horizon. They won't necessarily do away with two dominant parties, but they mitigate the fear-mongering that the majors thrive on.

There is nothing any Republican who makes it to the White House can do to get Democrats and "not Democrats" to like him.

That depends on the Republican. But leadership isn't about being "liked". It's about persuasion. It's about making a compelling case for your agenda. No one even tries to do that anymore because, with lesser of two evils voting, all you have to do is scare people. That's much easier. But it's poison.

Yes, to your point, that is caused by misguided partisanship. What is your idea to improve that? Just wait for the great leader you hope for?

First, we have to stop voting for bad candidates. It's really that simple.

We're blessed that we have two at least, instead of just one.

LOL - yeah. Blessed.

 

[Foxfyre]

To the extent that we have political Parties, political “loyalty” is kind of necessary. This is why we have positions such as Party “Whip.”

I imagine that the OP is actually complaining more about the existence of political Parties at all than about “loyalty.”

But I suppose that a different matter than the alleged topic presented.

Yes, after analysis, consideration and debate of proposed legislation with the necessary give and and take and compromise that is always necessary--it is rare that anybody gets everything he/she wants--it is necessary for the party to come together to pass legislation that does far more good than any possible harm. Such is the case with the BBB just passed .

It is unfortunate that some will focus only on the small part of what they didn't get that they wanted and ignore all the good that it will accomplish.

It isn't like it is the last piece of legislation that will ever be passed. If there are unintended consequences, I expect our elected leaders to address and repair that.

For instance some are decrying the hardships on rural hospitals due to the Medicaid reforms but ignore the $50 billion authorized for the states to apply for to provide relief to those hospitals that need it.

 

[konradv]

You are the one whining about name calling all the while doing a bunch of name calling.

I think we know where the projection is.

Whining, NO. Calling MAGA out, YES.

 

[konradv]

Leftism has destroyed the back and forth checks and balances.

MAGA lies.