Parents Overdose in baby's hospital room.

[Spinster]

What a complete and utter fool you are! FU, Jake.

Spinster, you are wrong. Rethink your position.

Not happening, Jake!

 

[JakeStarkey]

What a complete and utter fool you are! FU, Jake.

Spinster, you are wrong. Rethink your position.

Not happening, Jake!

You are still wrong. The War on Drugs has been a catastrophe and cannot be continued in a sane and just world.

 

[Spinster]

What a complete and utter fool you are! FU, Jake.

Spinster, you are wrong. Rethink your position.

Not happening, Jake!

You are still wrong. The War on Drugs has been a catastrophe and cannot be continued in a sane and just world.

**** off, Jake!

 

[Eaglewings]

OMG! OMG! These people will never be civilized. OMG! This time they have sunk to a new LOW!
Just look at the mess they made of Detroit. They destroy things every where they go and now this... I guess Shoot speeders and Meathead were right all along....



OMG! WAIT>>>>>>>

Quick halt the presses.........


OMG! THEY ARE NOT BLACK, they are WHITE:

A woman died and a man was hospitalized after the two parents overdosed on heroin in their 7-month-old baby’s hospital room in Cincinnati. Newtown Police Chief Tom Synan, who heads up the Hamilton County Heroin Task Force, told reporters, “I think it’s an amazing example of how it’s not the person anymore, it’s not the people. It’s an addiction. This was heroin.” The father, Wesley Landers, is now charged with drug possession and carrying a concealed weapon.

Addiction doesn't care who you are, glad they did it in the hospital and the baby was not harmed.

 

[Eaglewings]

If heroin was the parents' best friend, then that baby dodged a bullet.

God bless you and the baby always!!!

Holly

This is a tragedy. The only thing good about this case is that the baby will have a chance to grow up and be raised by someone who really wants a child.

This story uncovers something else that no one seems to want to talk about. He had a concealed gun. An additional charge of carrying with a disability was added due to a previous conviction. So,where did he get the gun?

The link doesn't address that pertinent information. However, the report does heighten public awareness that Heroin use is becoming pandemic and now reaches deeper into White neighborhoods. Perhaps, with these revelations, it is clear the "War on Drugs" has been lost. New strategies have to be considered.
I suggest the decriminalization of drug use. Those found using should be institutionalized and cleansed. Upon release by competent medical authority, the former addict would be required to report weekly to a halfway house for medical evaluation for at least one year.

For those trafficking in illicit drugs, the penalties should remain as they are.

You honestly believe in this specific case the use of Heroin should be DEcriminalized??? Really??? Why? There'd be nothing to force these people into treatment. If you're over the age of majority, treatment compliance is completely voluntary. WTF is wrong with society?

You didn't read my post correctly. If a user of of schedule I, II, or III controlled substances is arrested there should be a mandatory rehab program involving a mandatory stay in an institution designed for such purposes. An asylum, if you will, where druggies can be rehabbed under the watchful eyes of personnel trained in every aspect of rehabilitation. If the person adheres to the program satisfactorily, no criminal charges will ensue, although the facilities will be run like high security
internment camps.

I am an addiction counselor and have never heard of a locked drug rehab
Many of the addicts forced to do go to a rehab , relapse as soon as they leave
But some do get sober.
I would agree with your post if it is a long time live in program for a year or 2 ..but Gov. will only pay for a 30 day program most of the time.


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[JQPublic1]

If heroin was the parents' best friend, then that baby dodged a bullet.

God bless you and the baby always!!!

Holly

This is a tragedy. The only thing good about this case is that the baby will have a chance to grow up and be raised by someone who really wants a child.

This story uncovers something else that no one seems to want to talk about. He had a concealed gun. An additional charge of carrying with a disability was added due to a previous conviction. So,where did he get the gun?

The link doesn't address that pertinent information. However, the report does heighten public awareness that Heroin use is becoming pandemic and now reaches deeper into White neighborhoods. Perhaps, with these revelations, it is clear the "War on Drugs" has been lost. New strategies have to be considered.
I suggest the decriminalization of drug use. Those found using should be institutionalized and cleansed. Upon release by competent medical authority, the former addict would be required to report weekly to a halfway house for medical evaluation for at least one year.

For those trafficking in illicit drugs, the penalties should remain as they are.

You honestly believe in this specific case the use of Heroin should be DEcriminalized??? Really??? Why? There'd be nothing to force these people into treatment. If you're over the age of majority, treatment compliance is completely voluntary. WTF is wrong with society?

You didn't read my post correctly. If a user of of schedule I, II, or III controlled substances is arrested there should be a mandatory rehab program involving a mandatory stay in an institution designed for such purposes. An asylum, if you will, where druggies can be rehabbed under the watchful eyes of personnel trained in every aspect of rehabilitation. If the person adheres to the program satisfactorily, no criminal charges will ensue, although the facilities will be run like high security
internment camps.

I am an addiction counselor and have never heard of a locked drug rehab
Many of the addicts forced to do go to a rehab , relapse as soon as they leave
But some do get sober.
I would agree with your post if it is a long time live in program for a year or 2 ..but Gov. will only pay for a 30 day program most of the time.


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My conditions for rehab would be a one year minimum lock down with a release contingent on the approval of two disassociated psychiatrists.
The normal due process of law, a jury trial, will determine the person's guilt or innocence...and an option to choose prison or rehab will be offered.
I don't know if anything like that is already in place but it should be on a nation wide basis.

 

[JQPublic1]

Gee whiz, I don't know how many more ways I can say the same thing here! The way to decrease this situation is not to send the offender off to rehab camp, but to make the punishment severe. As I stated, once a judge concludes the punishment is prison, offenders will take heed rather than facing the consequences.

Police are not policing White neighborhoods for drugs. White offenders are less likely to be caught until it is too late and they overdose.They never get to that judge you keep harping about and subsequently,those harsher penalties which ARE already in PLACE never apply to them.

Once this starts happening, predictably, people will come to the realization of the full penalty, and that will affect behavior and thereby compliance. One has to have a healthy respect for authority first and foremost for free will decisions to be altered and for positive results to happen. This is an elementary concept.

Again, you are talking incircles. The penalties we have now are quite harsh and meet your prerequisites. But what good are penalties if some users are rarely detected because of where they live or the color of their skin. The prison is full of Black addicts but Whites, who use at the same rate, are not arrested at the same rate.... when you come to grips with that... we can continue. lf not.... I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JQPublic's suggestions could be enacted financially with the proceeds of programs from the decriminalization, regulation, and taxation of sales. It would destroy the drug trade in Mexico and save tens of thousands of lives yearly. And those don't get it say, "**** off." Fools.

 

[Spinster]

Um huh, right! Yep, the cartel is simply going away as soon as we institute more government programs. Perhaps we could save money by getting rid of border patrol, too? You're either a lunatic, Jake, or you dropped a ton of drugs just before you left this post.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Um huh, right! Yep, the cartel is simply going away as soon as we institute more government programs. Perhaps we could save money by getting rid of border patrol, too? You're either a lunatic, Jake, or you dropped a ton of drugs just before you left this post.

Spinster, are you so old you don't think clearly anymore?

We allow companies to legally manufacture product, which is regulated and taxed, funding rehab programs.

You are aware that rehab programs are far less expensive than prisons, don't you?

The cartel as we understand it will "go away", honey: they will go legit.

The killing will stop.

The war on drugs has failed.

 

[JQPublic1]

Um huh, right! Yep, the cartel is simply going away as soon as we institute more government programs. Perhaps we could save money by getting rid of border patrol, too? You're either a lunatic, Jake, or you dropped a ton of drugs just before you left this post.

Spinster, are you so old you don't think clearly anymore?

We allow companies to legally manufacture product, which is regulated and taxed, funding rehab programs.

You are aware that rehab programs are far less expensive than prisons, don't you?

The cartel as we understand it will "go away", honey: they will go legit.

The killing will stop.

The war on drugs has failed.

I agree with most everything you have said but I do have a problem with government sanctioned sales and manufacture of the product. I think my reluctance to accept that as even a part of the solution stems from the opium parlors of the early 19th century where people from all walks of life sought refuge from the what they saw as the harsh realities of life. The manufacture of schedule I drugs should not be made legal as they have no medical value. The main thing is that if made legal to possess by average Joes,anyone could bring it into the country without penalty thereby foiling efforts to tax it through legitimate business venues.

Opium was found wherever Chinese immigrants gathered in significant numbers. But in the late 19th and early 20th centuries police rarely intervened.
Only when reports of White female visitors to the dens as young as 13 surfaced did authorities act. We have a hortatory historical message that cannot be ignored.

Chinatown's Opium Dens - FoundSF

 

[JakeStarkey]

Excellent points.

How would you set up a working program?

 

[JQPublic1]

Excellent points.

How would you set up a working program?

I have already given several functional applications to consider so I guess your question is: how do we finance it?

The prison populations are going to be reduced drastically.Again I am not for releasing pushers and distributors before their time, just those who are users.

1.Many of the prisoners incarcerated therein are there on drug related charges. If there are no other criminal charges involved, those people will be set free. Some of those funds allocated for the huge prison populations can now be diverted to the rehab system.

2. Properties confiscated by Law enforcement related to illicit drug sales will be sold to finance the Rehab program.

3. Rehab patients will pay for their own rehab and sustenance on a pro rated basis. Any who receive any government checks from any source will have all or a portion of those deposits forfeited in the local rehab fund.


That is a start...there may be even more ways to fund the program that I have not thought of.

 

[Spinster]

Um huh, right! Yep, the cartel is simply going away as soon as we institute more government programs. Perhaps we could save money by getting rid of border patrol, too? You're either a lunatic, Jake, or you dropped a ton of drugs just before you left this post.

Spinster, are you so old you don't think clearly anymore?

We allow companies to legally manufacture product, which is regulated and taxed, funding rehab programs.

You are aware that rehab programs are far less expensive than prisons, don't you?

The cartel as we understand it will "go away", honey: they will go legit.

The killing will stop.

The war on drugs has failed.

I agree with most everything you have said but I do have a problem with government sanctioned sales and manufacture of the product. I think my reluctance to accept that as even a part of the solution stems from the opium parlors of the early 19th century where people from all walks of life sought refuge from the what they saw as the harsh realities of life. The manufacture of schedule I drugs should not be made legal as they have no medical value. The main thing is that if made legal to possess by average Joes,anyone could bring it into the country without penalty thereby foiling efforts to tax it through legitimate business venues.

Opium was found wherever Chinese immigrants gathered in significant numbers. But in the late 19th and early 20th centuries police rarely intervened.
Only when reports of White female visitors to the dens as young as 13 surfaced did authorities act. We have a hortatory historical message that cannot be ignored.

Chinatown's Opium Dens - FoundSF

Chinese didn't HAVE to actually immigrate here. The Roosevelt (Teddy and Franklin) fortune was funded by their father and grandfather making frequent trips to China and bringing back Opium. Nice to know two Presidents were made wealthy by illegal drug efforts.