Parents in red-leaning suburbs outside NYC green-lighting armed security at public schools

[2aguy]

Uh, guy, repetition doesn't help your weak case.

Cops were there. Cops had guns. Cops failed to stop murders from happening in all those cases.

Repeating the stupid things you just posted doesn't help you.........you are wrong on every point.

 

[JoeB131]

Repeating the stupid things you just posted doesn't help you.........you are wrong on every point.

Sorry, man, a Good Guy with a gun usually never reacts in time.

The best way to stop mass shooting is to make it difficult for Bad Guys (or Crazy Guys) to get guns.

"But, but, but..those are our best customers" whines the gun industry.

 

[2aguy]

Sorry, man, a Good Guy with a gun usually never reacts in time.

The best way to stop mass shooting is to make it difficult for Bad Guys (or Crazy Guys) to get guns.

"But, but, but..those are our best customers" whines the gun industry.

Considering that you idiots have made most public areas gun free killing zones for mass public shooters...it is amazing that good people are able to stop the number of mass shootings they actually stop.......since most times they can't have their guns with them....

But when they do have their guns with them?


Indiana mall shooting...



Fifteen seconds after the shooting began, Elisjsha Dicken, a legally-armed 22-year-old man from Seymour, engaged the shooter in a gunfight. Dicken, a civilian bystander, was shopping with his girlfriend when the perpetrator opened fire.[7] From a distance of forty yards, Dicken fired ten rounds from a Glock handgun, hitting the shooter eight times. The shooter fired once, and attempted to retreat into the restroom, but instead fell to the ground and died soon afterwards.[8][9][10]



Afterward, Dicken approached security guards at the mall, informed them that he had neutralized the shooter, and waited for police to arrive.[7]



Greenwood Park Mall shooting - Wikipedia







West Virginia woman....



Witnesses said Butler seemed agitated and left but returned to the complex shortly after, armed with an AR-15 style rifle, and started shooting at the crowd.

Police said a woman pulled out her pistol, shooting and killing him.

"This lady was carrying a lawful firearm," Hazelett said. "A law abiding citizen who stopped the threat of probably 20 or 30 people getting killed. She engaged the threat and stopped it. She didn't run from the threat, she engaged it. Preventing a mass casualty event here in Charleston."






Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

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Southerland Springs Church shooting .....



Willeford propped his AR-15 on the pickup’s hood and peered through the sight. He could see a holographic red dot on the man’s chest. He fired twice. He wasn’t sure he’d hit him, though he was later told that the man had contusions on his chest and abdomen consistent with getting shot while wearing body armor. Regardless, the gunman stopped shooting and ran for a white Ford Explorer that was idling outside the chapel, roughly twenty yards from where Willeford had positioned himself.



The Hero of Sutherland Springs Is Still Reckoning with What Happened that Day



Deputies: Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense

According to deputies, Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Pastor Terry Howell, who took out his own weapon and fired back, striking Parangan.

Howell was not injured, but Parangan was taken to Osceola Regional Medical Center in critical condition.

Deputies said several church employees witnessed the incident and gave similar statements.

this Psychiatrist was not an off duty cop.....

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

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This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.


Lyman man charged following shooting at nightclub

Shotgun attacker at Church service....

Wilson’s single shot quickly ended the attack that killed Wallace, 64, and White, 67, at the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth-area town of White Settlement. He said the entire confrontation was over in no more than six seconds. More than 240 congregants were in the church at the time.

Firearms instructor took out gunman at Texas church service
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As Hunt and other partiers had a bite to eat in the kitchen, the suspect pulled out a gun and began firing on the crowd, sending everyone fleeing, Mendez recounted.

Mendez was shot in the head in front of his wife, who rushed to his side and believed he was dead due to the amount of blood covering his face. She then grabbed their two daughters and put them into a room deeper in the house, barricading them and other children inside.

"She barricaded the door with the dresser. There were three other children in there, not including my two daughters. A total of five kids. She … throws them in the closet, throws clothes over them. Tells them, ‘Be quiet. Do not make a peep if you hear loud noises in this room,’" Mendez said of his wife's actions.

As Hunt continued his alleged rampage, two other women began fighting back against the suspect and screamed for Mendez, knowing he had a concealed carry weapon, Mendez said.

"By the glory of God or the adrenaline and just everything, just the will to live and the will to protect my family, I was able to hear those pleas, those yells for help. I heard my name. And I was able to get up," he said.

He was able to pull out his firearm and shoot the suspect four times in the chest.

"Detectives have determined the individual who shot Jason, and others who fought against Jason, were acting in self-defense and defense of other innocent parties," Sgt. Tommy Hale said in a press release days after the incident, KTAR reported at the time.

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More mass public shootings stopped by armed citizens...


The story dates are below...the actual stories and links to the news article are in the link below.....

If you want to see the details of each shooting, you will have to go to the link....the very end of the article lists shootings stopped by off duty police officers...I did not include those.....

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Las Vegas, Nevada, Friday, June 23, 2023
El Paso, Texas, Wednesday, February 15, 2023
Phoenix, Arizona, Saturday, February 11, 2023
Panama City, Florida, January 11, 2023
Tucson, Arizona, December 18, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian
Chandler, Arizona, December 14, 2022
Billings, Montana, November 30, 2022
Detroit, Michigan, August 28, 2022
West Palm Beach, Florida, August 7, 2022
Greenwood, Indiana, July 17, 2022.......attacker had AR-15 rifle, stopped by pistol
Sunrise, Arizona, July 3, 2022
Charleston, West Virginia, May 25, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian
Atlanta, Georgia, April 30, 2022
South Fulton, Georgia, April 24, 2022
Phenix City, Alabama, April 13, 2022
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 19, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian
Portland, Oregon, February 19, 2022
South Central, Nebraska, October 22, 2021
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 17, 2021
Shreveport, Louisiana, September 21, 2021
Syracuse, New York, August 31, 2021
Melbourne, Florida, August 28, 2021
Las Vegas, Nevada, August 13, 2021
San Antonio, Texas, August 11, 2021
Fort Meyers, Florida, July 22, 2021
Chicago, Illinois, July 4, 2021
Arvada, Colorado, June 21, 2021
Crowley, Louisiana, May 29, 2021
Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian
Metairie, Louisiana, February 20, 2021
Hickory, North Carolina, February 14, 2021
Lexington, South Carolina, November 28, 2020
Marion, South Carolina, November 5, 2020
Weslaco, Texas, August 17, 2020.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...Captured gunman, held for police
Salt Lake City, Utah, August 15, 2020
Dallas, Texas, July 25, 2020, Fox 4 News (Dallas)
Brownsburg, Indiana, July 16, 2020, WISHTV (Indianapolis, Indiana)
Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, July 10, 2020
Louisville, Kentucky, June 27, 2020 (USA Today)
Kwethluk, Alaska, May 16, 2020, multiple sources........Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...captured gunman, held for police
Tulsa, Oklahoma, March 27, 2020, Channel 6
Near Fort Worth, Texas, December 29, 2019.....shotgun stopped by pistol....Church shooting, video of shooting at link
Duncan, Oklahoma, November 18, 2019
Newnan, Georgia, August 13, 2019

Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019​

Huntsville, Alabama, January 16, 2019​

Birmingham, Alabama, October 27, 2018​

Louisville, Kentucky, Wednesday, October 24, 2018​

Titusville, Florida, August 4, 2018

Tumwater, Washington, June 18, 2018​

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Thursday, May 24, 2018​

San Antonio, Texas, December 7, 2017 (ABC 13 in San Antonio, Time Magazine)​

Rockledge, Florida, November 17, 2017 (Florida Today, WFTV.com in Orlando)​

First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, November 5, 2017....NRA instructor with his own AR-15 saved 26 lives

Clearlake Oaks, California, October 23, 2017 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017 (Chicago Tribune, Daily Caller) (the above picture shows a picture of Samson after he received treatment for his minor wound)​

Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)​

Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016 (Fox Carolina)​

Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015, Fox 19 in Cincinnati and Fox News​

Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen​

New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):​

Chicago, Illinois, April 19, 2015, Chicago Sun-Times​

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 22, 2015, NBC Channel 10:​

Darby, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2014​

Chicago, Illinois, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:​

Portland, Oregon, January 11, 2014, Oregonian​

Plymouth, Pennsylvania, September 2012​

Early, Texas, August 2012, KTXS ABC Channel 12:.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

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Santa Clara, California, July 26, 2012, Reuters:​

Salt Lake, April 27, 2012, ABC Channel 4....Knife armed attacker stopped..​

Aurora, Colorado, April 2012, Fox 31 Denver by Tammy Vigil:​

Spartanburg, South Carolina, March 2012, article by Jenny Arnold at GoUpState.com (see also here):​

Oklahoma City, December 2009, KWTV NEWS Channel 9:​

Richmond, Virginia, July 2009 (this first description is based on a video of the shooting and a talk on the attack is here):​

College Park (near Atlanta), Georgia, May 7, 2009, WSB-TV 2...2 men with guns attempted to rape multiple women​

Winnemucca, Nevada, May 25, 2008, KOLO ABC Channel 8 (Reno):​

Colorado Springs, Colorado, December 2007, by Solomon Banda with the Associated Press:..Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Memphis, Tennessee, March 2007, WBIR TV NBC in Knoxville, TN:​

Memphis, Tennessee, July 21, 2006......Knife Armed attacker stopped...​

Tyler, Texas, February 2005, Fox News (see also here):​

Grundy, Virginia, Jan. 16, 2002​

Edinboro, Pennsylvania, April 1998, from Robert Moran and Susan Q. Stranahan in the Philadelphia Inquirer​

Pearl, Mississippi, October 1997​

Muskegon, Michigan, August 1995, The Chronicle:​

Anniston, Alabama, December 1991, J. Neil Schulman in the Los Angeles Times:​

Cases where attacks were stopped with other types of guns​

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021

Possible cases​

Cicero, Illinois, September 15, 2018​

Rock Hill, South Carolina, December 21, 2017 (The State newspaper (Columbia, South Carolina), WYFF Channel 4 TV)...attacker armed with pipe wrench...

North Naples, Florida, July 11, 2018​

Houston, Texas, Sunday, May 29, 2016, The UK Daily Mail​

Las Vegas, Nevada, June 8, 2014​

Portland, Oregon, December 2012 KGW Staff:......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Manchester, New Hampshire, April 15, 2007​

Tacoma Mall in Tacoma, Washington, November 20, 2005.​

Other Cases​

Hoover, Alabama (Galleria Mall), November 23, 2018​

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[JoeB131]

Considering that you idiots have made most public areas gun free killing zones for mass public shooters...it is amazing that good people are able to stop the number of mass shootings they actually stop.......since most times they can't have their guns with them....

Thank God for that, the last thing we want is every firing and traffic accident to turn into a shooting incident.

Indiana mall shooting...

Three people killed... Good Guy FAIL

Shotgun attacker at Church service....

Two people killed. Good Guy Fail

I can go on, but the problem is that the bad guy with the gun will always have the advantage because he woke up that morning with murder on his mind.

 

[2aguy]

Thank God for that, the last thing we want is every firing and traffic accident to turn into a shooting incident.


Three people killed... Good Guy FAIL



Two people killed. Good Guy Fail

I can go on, but the problem is that the bad guy with the gun will always have the advantage because he woke up that morning with murder on his mind.

Yeah....they stopped the attacker immediately after he started the attack........the police were 5-10 minutes away....

The attacker would not have attacked if the areas were not gun free zones...in each case, the good guy had their gun with them despite the gun free zone status....you doofus....

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah....they stopped the attacker immediately after he started the attack........the police were 5-10 minutes away....

The attacker would not have attacked if the areas were not gun free zones...in each case, the good guy had their gun with them despite the gun free zone status....you doofus....

Well, they didn't stop him immeditely if he was able to kill people.

If he hadn't been able to get a gun to start with, he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone.

See how that works?

 

[2aguy]

Well, they didn't stop him immeditely if he was able to kill people.

If he hadn't been able to get a gun to start with, he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone.

See how that works?

Dumb shit.......reaction time is an issue with humans.......the people at the scene dealt with the shooter long before the police even got the call...you idiot.

And if your god, "The government" would stop screwing up background checks, more of these guys wouln't get. guns...

And if your democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians would stop releasing violent gun offenders, our gun crime rate would go down about 95%....

 

[JoeB131]

Dumb shit.......reaction time is an issue with humans.......the people at the scene dealt with the shooter long before the police even got the call...you idiot.

And if your god, "The government" would stop screwing up background checks, more of these guys wouln't get. guns...

And if your democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians would stop releasing violent gun offenders, our gun crime rate would go down about 95%....

1) So you admit, most cases, the Mad Shooter outshoots the "Good guy".
2) Background checks are ineffective because the Gun Lobby wants them to be.
3) We lock up 2 million people. Locking people up isn't an answer.

 

[AZrailwhale]

1) So you admit, most cases, the Mad Shooter outshoots the "Good guy".
2) Background checks are ineffective because the Gun Lobby wants them to be.
3) We lock up 2 million people. Locking people up isn't an answer.

Background checks are not effective because people like you won’t allow mental health providers to be forced to become mandatory reporters. Almost all of the mass shooters were under treatment for mental illness and should never have been allowed near anything more dangerous than a dull butter knife. The rest are felons who the DA’s that you and your buddies vote into office plea bargain violent felonies down to misdemeanors thus preventing violent criminals from being put on the banned list. Get the mentally ill into asylums and career felons back in jail with ” three strikes” laws for the rest of their lives and mass shootings will almost disappear. Instead of supporting these simple, sensible ideas you just want to disarm those of us who are responsible gun owners who never commit crimes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Background checks are not effective because people like you won’t allow mental health providers to be forced to become mandatory reporters. Almost all of the mass shooters were under treatment for mental illness and should never have been allowed near anything more dangerous than a dull butter knife. The rest are felons who the DA’s that you and your buddies vote into office plea bargain violent felonies down to misdemeanors thus preventing violent criminals from being put on the banned list. Get the mentally ill into asylums and career felons back in jail with ” three strikes” laws for the rest of their lives and mass shootings will almost disappear. Instead of supporting these simple, sensible ideas you just want to disarm those of us who are responsible gun owners who never commit crimes.

The good guy with a gun can be the difference between two or three shooting victims and twenty or thirty.

 

[Failzero]

When the Migrant Crimewave and the Terrorist infiltrator Attacks on infrastructure ramp up along with Far Left & Left Street Unrest there will be a rapid need for a few hundred thousand armed Individuals ( Security / Overwatch ) to augment existing security and LEOs .

 

[JoeB131]

Background checks are not effective because people like you won’t allow mental health providers to be forced to become mandatory reporters.

Which you don't need to do. You can simply talk to his neighbors, family and employers, and find out if they are crazy or not. You can have Red Flag laws with real teeth in them. The government takes your guns if you are reported and you have to get a shrink to certify that you are sane and your wife is a bitch.

The rest are felons who the DA’s that you and your buddies vote into office plea bargain violent felonies down to misdemeanors thus preventing violent criminals from being put on the banned list.

Um, again, bullshit. I helped this guy once try to apply for an Uber job, and Uber was able to find out that he had petty assault charges (and refused him the job.) Fucking UBER!!! Who gets all these complaints for the very few drivers who slip through the cracks? Another kid I worked with for his Dreamer Application had to disclose that he once got arrested for having an open bottle of beer while not being white.

When Mrs. B131 applied for her Relative Sponsorship for immigration, she had to disclose an arrest in CHINA for attending the wrong church. (which she had previously reported on her asylum application that languished in someone's inbox for 7 years.)

So this BULLSHIT that the gun industry can't possibly find out about a felony or criminal past is just absurd.

Get the mentally ill into asylums and career felons back in jail with ” three strikes” laws for the rest of their lives and mass shootings will almost disappear.

Wow, really? We already lock up 2 million people. More than any country in the world. More than fucking China, where they arrest people for going to the wrong church. 18% of the population suffers from some kind of mental illness. Are we going to lock all of them up, too?

Are you willing to spend the hundreds of billions of dollars to do this? I'm not.

Now, going back to my Uber example, why do you think Uber was able to find out about a felony conviction?

Why? Because Uber hired some bad actors they should have caught by doing background checks, and they did bad things. Uber was sued. Paid a lot of money.

 

[DukeU]

Which you don't need to do. You can simply talk to his neighbors, family and employers, and find out if they are crazy or not. You can have Red Flag laws with real teeth in them. The government takes your guns if you are reported and you have to get a shrink to certify that you are sane and your wife is a bitch.

What the FBI Knew About the Accused Florida School Shooter

 

[JoeB131]

What the FBI Knew About the Accused Florida School Shooter

If we arrested people on the basis of erratic Social Media postings, half of USMB would be locked up.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Dumb shit.......reaction time is an issue with humans.......the people at the scene dealt with the shooter long before the police even got the call...you idiot.

And if your god, "The government" would stop screwing up background checks, more of these guys wouln't get. guns...

And if your democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians would stop releasing violent gun offenders, our gun crime rate would go down about 95%....

Groom and Doom

Liberal permissiveness, starting at an early age, is responsible for all these thrill-killers running loose. Mandated tolerance of disturbed and creepy freaks must be stopped long before they take out their mutant emotions on society.

 

[DukeU]

If we arrested people on the basis of erratic Social Media postings, half of USMB would be locked up.

The FBI admitted agents received a tip in January from someone who was close to Nikolas Cruz, giving information on his “gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

The FBI said the tip should have been assessed as “a potential threat to life” and forwarded to the Miami Field Office. This would have led to additional “investigative steps,” which were not conducted.

 

[JoeB131]

The FBI admitted agents received a tip in January from someone who was close to Nikolas Cruz, giving information on his “gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

The FBI said the tip should have been assessed as “a potential threat to life” and forwarded to the Miami Field Office. This would have led to additional “investigative steps,” which were not conducted.

And if someone confiscated his guns based on social media posts, the NRA would have screamed bloody murder.

I'm all for tough, iron clad Red Flag laws, that if someone rats you out, the cops take your guns that day, you are blacklisted from buying any more, and you need to have two shrinks sign off that you really aren't a crazy person before you get them back.

 

[Failzero]

I’m

And if someone confiscated his guns based on social media posts, the NRA would have screamed bloody murder.

I'm all for tough, iron clad Red Flag laws, that if someone rats you out, the cops take your guns that day, you are blacklisted from buying any more, and you need to have two shrinks sign off that you really aren't a crazy person before you get them back.

For drug screenings ( Piss Test for SSRIs and Illegal Drugs ) with every 4473 Form

 

[JoeB131]

I’m

For drug screenings ( Piss Test for SSRIs and Illegal Drugs ) with every 4473 Form

Works for me.

But that's the whole point, the whole screening process for buying a gun is too lax.

A piss test would have caught Hunter.
So would have talking to anyone in his life, who might have been concerned he had a gun. (In fact, this whole thing started because his girlfriend at the time, threw out his gun because she thought he might self-harm.)

 

[DukeU]

And if someone confiscated his guns based on social media posts, the NRA would have screamed bloody murder.

I'm all for tough, iron clad Red Flag laws, that if someone rats you out, the cops take your guns that day, you are blacklisted from buying any more, and you need to have two shrinks sign off that you really aren't a crazy person before you get them back.

They did not follow their own protocol.

We do have common sense gun laws in place and also protocols for other agencies such as the FBI to follow in cases such as this.

The FBI failed to follow their own rules.


The FBI said the tip should have been assessed as “a potential threat to life” and forwarded to the Miami Field Office. This would have led to additional “investigative steps,” which were not conducted.