Parents in red-leaning suburbs outside NYC green-lighting armed security at public schools

[Bell Huey]

Cops have training and qualifications, and we still have incidents where they end up shooting innocent unarmed people.

Not sure how you can make a teacher more qualified than that.

You have 30 states to gather info from. Surely you can find one instance of a teacher shooting an unarmed student.

Good Luck!

 

[JoeB131]

You have 30 states to gather info from. Surely you can find one instance of a teacher shooting an unarmed student.

Good Luck!

Well, no, we don't because most schools aren't doing it.

Mostly because the teacher's unions won't allow it. Too much liability for their members with no real compensation.

But....

Every Incident of Mishandled Guns in Schools

Too many guns are fired or improperly handled by armed adults in schools.

giffords.org

Yeah, "more guns" is never the right answer.

 

[Bell Huey]

Well, no, we don't because most schools aren't doing it.

Mostly because the teacher's unions won't allow it. Too much liability for their members with no real compensation.

But....

Every Incident of Mishandled Guns in Schools

Too many guns are fired or improperly handled by armed adults in schools.

giffords.org

Yeah, "more guns" is never the right answer.

All I can say to you is don't live in a state that allows it if you fear it so much.

 

[JoeB131]

All I can say to you is don't live in a state that allows it if you fear it so much.

Just because a problem doesn't effect me doesn't make it less of a problem.

We have School shootings because people who have no business owning guns can get guns.

More guns aren't going to solve that problem.

 

[whitehall]

Actually, Columbine did have an armed guard and he exchanged fire with Harris, (one of the two shooters.)

The parkland cop really had no idea what was going on, because he was outside the building and he wasn't even sure which floor the shots were being fired on.

For some reason Va. Tech Blacksburg Va. gets a pass even though it's the most notorious school shooting in history. The maniac was killing people across campus while local Cops were interviewing employees.

 

[JoeB131]

For some reason Va. Tech Blacksburg Va. gets a pass even though it's the most notorious school shooting in history. The maniac was killing people across campus while local Cops were interviewing employees.

I agree, that was badly handled.

The real problem was that kid was seriously disturbed, and the Universtiy was bending over to keep him on campus. Further, he had absolutely no trouble getting guns.

 

[braalian]

Armed security should definitely be paid more than the shit wages they’re paid now. All security, really, but especially armed ones.

You get what you pay for in most cases

 

[cnm]

Armed security should definitely be paid more than the shit wages they’re paid now. All security, really, but especially armed ones.

You get what you pay for in most cases

At least there'll be an unending demand for it in the US as it can't control its firearms homicide rate.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, Columbine did have an armed guard and he exchanged fire with Harris, (one of the two shooters.)

The parkland cop really had no idea what was going on, because he was outside the building and he wasn't even sure which floor the shots were being fired on.

And again, when Columbine happened the protocol for police was to wait and negotiate…..after Columbine the police across the country completely changed their policies to the first officer on the scene is to immediately enter the building and engage the attacker…someone with a gun going after the attacker makes them stop shooting the unarmed victims…….

So you are lying….again…,

The Parkland cop broke protocol and did not follow his training…as did the police chief at Uvalde who ordered his officers to stand down and not force entry into the classroom…..he also ordered officers trying to go in to be restrained…..


This is why 33 states….that would be a majority….allow school districts to train and arm staff……..34 now with Tennessee……..

 

[2aguy]

Maybe you should look into the required training and qualifications. Then get back to me.

You saw the part where 30 states have laws about this.

33 states, with Tennessee the 34th

 

[2aguy]

Cops have training and qualifications, and we still have incidents where they end up shooting innocent unarmed people.

Not sure how you can make a teacher more qualified than that.

The teacher or administrator doesn’t have to arrest the suspect……

What Joe and the other anti-gun extremists want is dead kids…they give the anti-gun movement massive amounts of emotional black mail that allows them to stampede uninformed Americans into giving the anti-gun extremists gun control.

The most important part of having some armed and trained staff is the fact that mass public shooters do not target places where people have guns…….

The latest mass public shooting was stopped…..a black shooter who planned on murdering lots of white people….in his social media posts he stated he was going to target a gun free zone because no one would stop him….

the democrat party, left win, trans gender shooter who murdered 3 children and 3 teachers in Tennessee, targeted the school knowing it was a gun free school….she stated it in the part of the writings that someone leaked….leaked because the democrats are still hiding the manifesto……she also was targeting white people…..

Arming some staff……makes the school a non optionfor mass public shooters….they don’t know who is armed, they don’t know how many are armed, and they don’t know where they are at any time in the building…….making it impossible to plan the attack….they are not looking for a gun fight they want to murder unarmed people..

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Not at all. Even I know that mass gun confiscation isn't practical.

What is practical -

Thorough background checks for new gun purchases.
Red Flag laws to take guns away from people who are truly dangerous.

Hoping that assigning an underperforming cop as a school resource officer, well, we saw how well that worked at Parkland. By the time that Cop did anything, the shooter was done with his business and chilling at the Starbucks across the street.

Put fully vetted combat Veterans in schools and will no longer be an issue.

 

[JoeB131]

And again, when Columbine happened the protocol for police was to wait and negotiate…..after Columbine the police across the country completely changed their policies to the first officer on the scene is to immediately enter the building and engage the attacker…someone with a gun going after the attacker makes them stop shooting the unarmed victims…….

Nothing of the sort happened. The officer on hand exchanged fire with Harris. Another cop showed up and also exchanged fire. but by that time, they had already killed 15 people.

Put fully vetted combat Veterans in schools and will no longer be an issue.

Right. So who is going to check them for PTSD?

What Joe and the other anti-gun extremists want is dead kids…they give the anti-gun movement massive amounts of emotional black mail that allows them to stampede uninformed Americans into giving the anti-gun extremists gun control.

The most important part of having some armed and trained staff is the fact that mass public shooters do not target places where people have guns…….

Except.

Columbine had armed guards
VA Tech had armed guard
Ft. Hood was a fucking military base, and it had TWO mass shootings

 

[2aguy]

Nothing of the sort happened. The officer on hand exchanged fire with Harris. Another cop showed up and also exchanged fire. but by that time, they had already killed 15 people.



Right. So who is going to check them for PTSD?



Except.

Columbine had armed guards
VA Tech had armed guard
Ft. Hood was a fucking military base, and it had TWO mass shootings

Wrong, I have been through the law enforcement presentations and the protocol was to wait and negotiate……the police did not understand the two monsters were simply there to kill….

Columbine did not have armed guards and when the cops showed up they waited to negotiate…..

Columbine completely changed how police deal with active shooters….they do not wait any more, the first officer on the scene must immediately enter the building and attack the shooter, bypassing any wounded victims to find the shooter……the priority is to engage the shooter to stop him from murdering more people….

1) Armed staff keeps the school from being attacked.

2) If there is an attack, there is someone on scene with a gun vs 5-10 minutes away

 

[2aguy]

Nothing of the sort happened. The officer on hand exchanged fire with Harris. Another cop showed up and also exchanged fire. but by that time, they had already killed 15 people.



Right. So who is going to check them for PTSD?



Except.

Columbine had armed guards
VA Tech had armed guard
Ft. Hood was a fucking military base, and it had TWO mass shootings

VA Tech had campus police who didn’t know what was going on…that is why armed staff and citizens would have saved lives…..a teacher died using his body to hold his classroom door closed vs shooting the attacker

Fort Hood? The two attackers attacked gun free zones on the base…..only military police are armed and it took them time to get there…you claim to be former military and you know this and you keep lying about it

 

[2aguy]

Nothing of the sort happened. The officer on hand exchanged fire with Harris. Another cop showed up and also exchanged fire. but by that time, they had already killed 15 people.



Right. So who is going to check them for PTSD?



Except.

Columbine had armed guards
VA Tech had armed guard
Ft. Hood was a fucking military base, and it had TWO mass shootings

The Muslim shooter attacked an office center as did the nut who attacked an office area and motor pool…no guns allowed areas you moron.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, I have been through the law enforcement presentations and the protocol was to wait and negotiate……the police did not understand the two monsters were simply there to kill….

If you are going to rewerite the history, there's not much to do for you.

The shooting started at 11:19 AM.
The first police response and counterfire was at 11:22 AM

The whole Columbine attack was over in less than 50 minutes.

Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nothing of the sort happened. The officer on hand exchanged fire with Harris. Another cop showed up and also exchanged fire. but by that time, they had already killed 15 people.



Right. So who is going to check them for PTSD?



Except.

Columbine had armed guards
VA Tech had armed guard
Ft. Hood was a fucking military base, and it had TWO mass shootings

If they are Vets and have PTSD the VA likely knows about it or you can just simply give a psych evaluation that would be part of the fully vetted thing I mentioned. You should also know that military bases are like small cities and every soldier isn't walking around armed. Only MP's are allowed to be armed other than range time. In fact any personal firearms have to be stored at the company arms room.

I came up with a viable alternative to the lefts insistence that we shit all over the rights of law abiding citizens. Fully vetted combat veterans are less likely to run and hide like almost every one of the instances you mentioned.

As you have been trained you will just make weak arguments against any real solution that doesn't infringe on a Constitutional right. The goal of the elite is to disarm all law abiding citizens they don't give a fuck about the children's safety.

 

[JoeB131]

If they are Vets and have PTSD the VA likely knows about it or you can just simply give a psych evaluation that would be part of the fully vetted thing I mentioned. You should also know that military bases are like small cities and every soldier isn't walking around armed. Only MP's are allowed to be armed other than range time. In fact any personal firearms have to be stored at the company arms room.

You miss the point entirely. The problem was that Major Hassan, a mentally ill religious fanatic, was allowed to buy a gun. Also, even though all his superiors knew he was a problem, no one did anything to separate him from the military.

 

[Bell Huey]

You miss the point entirely. The problem was that Major Hassan, a mentally ill religious fanatic, was allowed to buy a gun. Also, even though all his superiors knew he was a problem, no one did anything to separate him from the military.

And that is a problem with the woke movement. He was a muslim. IF anyone tried to separate him the religious/race card would be played.