Parents arrested, tased during confrontation as Arizona school was on lockdown

[westwall]

All small town police forces are not created equal. To assume they are is foolish. Good way to get shot as cops do not know parents in general, and will not allow armed parents taking over the situation. It would not cross my mind to interfere, and I'm fairly trained, myself.

Nowhere near to Mudwhistles level. You aren't even on the same ball field.

 

[mudwhistle]

All small town police forces are not created equal. To assume they are is foolish. Good way to get shot as cops do not know parents in general, and will not allow armed parents taking over the situation. It would not cross my mind to interfere, and I'm fairly trained, myself.

Look bub....I know more than you do about this issue.
I trained people how to take down buildings when I was on an ODA.
I know that not all cops are untrained.
As with anything you need practice and repetition.
I did it so much that I could do it with my eyes closed.
It was clear that those cops didn't know what they were doing in Uvalde.
Another thing is if you don't have the equipment needed to take down an active shooter...it makes it more difficult.

 

[White 6]

Nowhere near to Mudwhistles level. You aren't even on the same ball field.

Then maybe he should join law enforcement and protect all the kid in the country. Or maybe he's probably very well known, already. I am sure no trained law enforcement, that has been around and are in the know would fail to recognize him on the spot, with no qualms of him coming in to their high intensity, very fluid operation armed, maybe in tactical gear with body armor, easily telling him from armed nut-ball mass shooters, we've seen of late. I am sure he'd be excellent if he does not trip over his cape, if he can find a phone booth the change in.

 

[White 6]

Look bub....I know more than you do about this issue.
I trained people how to take down buildings when I was on an ODA.
I know that not all cops are untrained.
As with anything you need practice and repetition.
I did it so much that I could do it with my eyes closed.
It was clear that those cops didn't know what they were doing in Uvalde.
Another thing is if you don't have the equipment needed to take down an active shooter...it makes it more difficult.

I am sure you trained them to welcome armed civilians and other unknown armed personnel into your perimeters and maybe even turn their law enforcement operation over to them. It is probably in all the books. I am probably still just hung up on all that military crap, where armed stranger not wearing the same uniform as me are considered dangerous, if no part of the enemy.

 

[mudwhistle]

I am sure you trained them to welcome armed civilians and other unknown armed personnel into your perimeters and maybe even turn their law enforcement operation over to them. It is probably in all the books. I am probably still just hung up on all that military crap, where armed stranger not wearing the same uniform as me are considered dangerous, if no part of the enemy.

Are you drunk? Isn't it a bit early to be hitting the sauce?

 

[mudwhistle]

Then maybe he should join law enforcement and protect all the kid in the country. Or maybe he's probably very well known, already. I am sure no trained law enforcement, that has been around and are in the know would fail to recognize him on the spot, with no qualms of him coming in to their high intensity, very fluid operation armed, maybe in tactical gear with body armor, easily telling him from armed nut-ball mass shooters, we've seen of late. I am sure he'd be excellent if he does not trip over his cape, if he can find a phone booth the change in.

Urban warfare is pretty straight forward. But it takes training and repetition to get good at it.
I'm not going to give you a class online so you can take down a bank or something.
The point of taking a shooter down is speed and violent decisive action.
I'll leave it at that.

 

[White 6]

Are you drunk? Isn't it a bit early to be hitting the sauce?

No, but it's Saturday.

 

[22lcidw]

Look bub....I know more than you do about this issue.
I trained people how to take down buildings when I was on an ODA.
I know that not all cops are untrained.
As with anything you need practice and repetition.
I did it so much that I could do it with my eyes closed.
It was clear that those cops didn't know what they were doing in Uvalde.
Another thing is if you don't have the equipment needed to take down an active shooter...it makes it more difficult.

You are absolutely correct. But there are citizens who have been abused by arrogant power-hungry law enforcement people in departments Then when something real serious happens, just not that good. Their influence on private side businesses and their employees on citizens have screwed over many because they can. The issues in blue areas are not without reason. However, it was done for political purposes and not to improve the situation. Good citizens are held hostage to the criminals in that environment. There can be no solving this problem of trust with people in government who overreach with their power over the citizen until they admit they do wrong and the many screwed with have peace.

 

[White 6]

Urban warfare is pretty straight forward. But it takes training and repetition to get good at it.
I'm not going to give you a class online so you can take down a bank or something.
The point of taking a shooter down is speed and violent decisive action.
I'll leave it at that.

That and interjecting armed civilians into the situation, I'm sure. Good luck with that up in Clarksville, TN.

 

[bodecea]

Link:

MSN

Excerpt:

"Three parents were arrested, two of whom were tased, during a confrontation outside an Arizona elementary school that had been locked down over a report of someone with a gun Friday, El Mirage police said.

Thompson Ranch Elementary School was locked down after a report around 10:30 a.m. that someone who appeared to have a handgun had tried to open a locked door and ran off, El Mirage police Lt. Jimmy Chavez said.

That person was later taken into custody and was being evaluated by mental health professionals, police in El Mirage, a city northwest of Phoenix, said in a later statement. The statement did not say if any gun was found.

Police said criminal charges are pending against the man, whose identity has not been released, but did not say what they could be.

The security scare in El Mirage occurred a little more than two months after a mass shooting and botched police response at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

Outside the school in Arizona on Friday, the three parents were arrested as several parents said they were going to go onto the locked-down campus to protect their children, Chavez said.

“As a parent, I understand that philosophy, however, there were procedures that law enforcement and the school were following,” Chavez told reporters at the scene.

One of those arrested, a man described as the “main instigator,” was armed and a handgun fell to the ground as he was being arrested, Chavez said.

The other two, a man and a woman, were tased and arrested after they came to his aid, he said.

“They were physically attempting to get into campus, and they were getting into physical altercations with our officers,” Chavez said. “They were forcefully pushing onto the officers trying to get on campus.”

Police had converged on the elementary school after school staff reported that someone who appeared to have a handgun tried get into an exterior building but the door was locked, and the man was chased off by staff, Chavez said."


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Parental instinct is a powerful incentive.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[bodecea]

So you think the Uvalde response is typical across the country and a bunch of us armed civilians, should overwhelm the police responses as we see fit and go through their lines to take matters into or own hands? That is dumb.

This is what the grooming of the Right is leading to.

 

[mudwhistle]

That and interjecting armed civilians into the situation, I'm sure. Good luck with that up in Clarksville, TN.

I seriously don't know what you're talking about.

The top skillset that you have to have before you even think about busting down doors is weapons proficiency.
Arming parents and teachers is total nonsense.

Before I even got to the point where I was blowing doors and clearing rooms....I had to prove that I could shoot.
That means a minimum of a month of day and night range shooting to develop excellence through target practice.
Before we could go to a tirehouse...we had to show we could be trusted to discharge firearms safely in confined spaces.

 

[westwall]

That and interjecting armed civilians into the situation, I'm sure. Good luck with that up in Clarksville, TN.

You really are an idiot. Who is going to have a better knowledge of the floor plan of a school? Cops who are never there, or parents who are there, every day?

If you had training it must have been from Call of Duty.

 

[White 6]

I seriously don't know what you're talking about.

The top skillset that you have to have before you even think about busting down doors is weapons proficiency.
Arming parents and teachers is total nonsense.

Before I even got to the point where I was blowing doors and clearing rooms....I had to prove that I could shoot.
That means a minimum of a month of day and night range shooting to develop excellence through target practice.
Before we could go to a tirehouse...we had to show we could be trusted to discharge firearms safely in confined spaces.

Well, that is what people are arguing and supporting on this thread, sport. I have argued against it, but there is no convincing some of these idiots. Maybe you came into the thread late. You would have kept armed civilians out of the perimeter of your operation, and you darn well know it. It just isn't done and can't be done.

 

[westwall]

I seriously don't know what you're talking about.

The top skillset that you have to have before you even think about busting down doors is weapons proficiency.
Arming parents and teachers is total nonsense.

Before I even got to the point where I was blowing doors and clearing rooms....I had to prove that I could shoot.
That means a minimum of a month of day and night range shooting to develop excellence through target practice.
Before we could go to a tirehouse...we had to show we could be trusted to discharge firearms safely in confined spaces.

These clods have no idea what they are talking about. They roboticlly revert to "guns bad" and ignore the fact that there are more parents who have better training than the cops.

Lots better training.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well, that is what people are arguing and supporting on this thread, sport. I have argued against it, but there is no convincing some of these idiots. Maybe you came into the thread late. You would have kept armed civilians out of the perimeter of your operation, and you darn well know it. It just isn't done and can't be done.

I think what happened was the simple fact that parents saw how untrained the cops were in this situation.
The media reports only made this worse.
That punk did most of the damage before the first cops arrived.
The media claims there were kids calling from inside....but most of those kids and teachers were already dead.
They may have been able to save a couple of them, but it's highly doubtful.
The fact is....cops should have been able to shoot and kill the shooter within seconds of entering the building...if they knew what they were doing....and clearly they didn't.

 

[westwall]

Well, that is what people are arguing and supporting on this thread, sport. I have argued against it, but there is no convincing some of these idiots. Maybe you came into the thread late. You would have kept armed civilians out of the perimeter of your operation, and you darn well know it. It just isn't done and can't be done.

Only if the cop is an idiot. There are a lot of combat veterans in this area. A cop would be a fool to ignore their experience.

 

[westwall]

I think what happened was the simple fact that parents saw how untrained the cops were in this situation.
The media reports only made this worse.
That punk did most of the damage before the first cops arrived.
The media claims there were kids calling from inside....but most of those kids and teachers were already dead.
They may have been able to save a couple of them, but it's highly doubtful.
The fact is....cops should have been able to shoot and kill the shooter within seconds of entering the building...if they knew what they were doing....and clearly they didn't.

Nor did they have the balls to even try.

 

[White 6]

These clods have no idea what they are talking about. They roboticlly revert to "guns bad" and ignore the fact that there are more parents who have better training than the cops.

Lots better training.

On the average, it just isn't so. Most civillian, simply are not trained and the ones that are, are not known to the cops, and will not be allowed into a police tactical situation.
The bullshit you guy drop, reminds me of growing up on and off cattle farms, walking the barnyards and pastures, weary of where you step and hearing the unplanned, unthinking sound of bullshit and cow shit plopping to the ground, making steaming, stinky little piles and runny pies as the cattle moo to each other.

 

[White 6]

I think what happened was the simple fact that parents saw how untrained the cops were in this situation.
The media reports only made this worse.
That punk did most of the damage before the first cops arrived.
The media claims there were kids calling from inside....but most of those kids and teachers were already dead.
They may have been able to save a couple of them, but it's highly doubtful.
The fact is....cops should have been able to shoot and kill the shooter within seconds of entering the building...if they knew what they were doing....and clearly they didn't.

Actually, in Arizona (the action we are talking about) the punk was apprehended by the (untrained?) police and if he had actually shot anybody yet, I am unaware of it. This is not the Uvalde thread, ok? Read the fking OP thread title and first few posts of this thread, fer God's sake!
Dammit, Mud! You know better than this shit! Some of these others don't but you do!