Palin Linked to Iran and Terrorism

[frogman]

Oct. 7, 2008 | “My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)

AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. “She’s Alaskan to the bone … she sounds just like Joe Vogler.”

So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin’ around with?

Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, “When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don’t have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we’re ready to die.”

This quote is from “Coming Into the Country,” by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska’s remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska’s rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would “run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies.”

Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. “The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed,” by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. “And we can’t have that, can we?”

The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama’s tenuous connection to graying, ’60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins’ connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where’s the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama’s fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

 

[Missourian]

Pure Crap​

http://www.usmessageboard.com/announcements-and-feedback/60388-pure-crap-forum.html#post825719

 

[frogman]

Sorry, it's all 100% documented fact. wish I could link stuff. well in 13 more posts.

 

[DiamondDave]

salon.com

AKA... PURE CRAP

 

[del]

salon.com

AKA... PURE CRAP

old crap, too. i think kirkie posted this awhile back.

 

[frogman]

This article from the Juneau newspaper is written prior to Palin's nomination.

Friday, March 14, 2008 Story last updated at 3/14/2008 - 9:39 am

On Vogler, an independent Alaska

By Michael Coppock | Know Alaska?

It was not long ago that Joe Vogler terrorized Alaska politics with his demands for Alaska's independence from the United States. Vogler's cragged face, lined by Alaska winters going back to 1942, would appear from under a ruffled gray fedora as he spat hot acid onto politicians who wanted the same old, same old, for the state.

Vogler envisioned a race of disgruntled Americans turning their backs on the land of lawyers to the south and carving out a new nation from the wilderness.

"Old Joe" and his Alaska Independence Party (today it has the third largest membership in the state and is the oldest current third party in the United States), tried three times for governor. During one close election, it was votes for Vogler that caused Bill Egan to lose placing Jay Hammond in the governor's mansion.

The party itself won several House seats from West Alaska where Democrats normally win and the Interior. In 1990, Wally Hickel joined the Alaska Independence Party defeating his Republican and Democratic opponents for the governorship.

"Old Joe" wanted Alaska lands homesteaded, federal regulations on land development toileted, an end of rules of behavior from paternal governments and a road from Fairbanks to Nome, opening western Alaska to development and settlers.

Surprisingly, a constitutional lawyer by education, Vogler maintained Alaska statehood violated the U.N. Charter which the United States signed. That charter declared signatory's territories must be allowed self-determination and a vote on independence. "Old Joe" claimed both Alaska and Hawaii were denied this. FDR had the clause placed in the charter knowing such a vote would have to be held in Alaska.

Constitutionally, Vogler was also correct that Alaska statehood is illegal since the United States did not give territorial Alaskans the option of independence when statehood was voted on. (If one studies the Alaskan newspapers of the late 1950s, there was discussion of becoming a commonwealth similar to today's Puerto Rico rather than becoming a state. There was no discussion of independence.)

Every Supreme Court ruling since Chief Justice John Marshall declared Georgia's seizure of Cherokee lands in the 1820sillegal has maintained that signed treaties like the U.N. Charter are paramount over acts and laws passed by Congress including the Alaska Statehood Bill. But, with the Cold War on, neither Truman nor Eisenhower were going to take a chance of losing Alaska's strategic position, maintained "Old Joe."

The Fairbanks gold miner's loudest complaint was of mid- management execs rotating into Anchorage and Juneau voting in laws and regulations curbing "Alaskan" freedoms and then rotating out.

Born on a Kansas farm in 1913, Vogler was fired from a job in Texas during World War II for denouncing FDR as a communist. He went first to Kodiak in 1942 before migrating north to Fairbanks getting work constructing Ladd Field (Fort Wainright). He began mining in 1951 eventually owning mines peppered across the Interior. He filed for a 80 acre homestead off the Steese Highway near Homestead Creek and bought 320 acres along Farm Loop Road on the north side of Fairbanks.

What sent Vogler's political career into motion was the building of the Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline. He was outraged that the federal government could still dictate how Alaska could and could not obtain its own oil even though it was now a state. And he went into a raged when additional federal laws brought an end to time honored Sourdough customs such as building temporary cabins on public lands and prospecting rules that replaced those set up by traditional mining districts.

In 1973, he and other Interior miners organized the Alaska Independence party demanding a vote on independence from the U.S. which according to him, was treating Alaska as though it was still a colony. The scenes in John McPhee's Coming Into The Country where Vogler canoed from one isolated cabin to another seeking votes were true to form.

Such a person was bound to make headlines.

In a 1982 election debate, he proposed the glaciers blocking a road to Juneau should be nuked.

"There's gold beneath them," exclaimed Vogler. Two years later came the famous Battle of Webber Creek.

To drive home (literally) the point that the federal government had no right to deny him access to his mine at Woodchopper Creek, Vogler began driving his D-8 Cat along the Bielenberg Trail in mid-July. Halfway out, armed national park rangers helicoptered in serving a restraining order to stop his journey over sensitive summer tundra.

Normally, national park rangers don't go out heavily armed to serve what amounted to papers involving a civil suit. But, normally gold miners on D-8 Cats don't travel in the summer and don't travel with enough food and water for a week long siege. Critics charged that both sides were grand standing that day on July 14, 1984; that both hoped to provoke the other. After the TV crews left, Joe left his D-8 sitting where the rangers had stopped him.

Upset that Hickel was not pressing for an independence vote hard enough after becoming governor, Vogler and his miner friends took out full page ads in Anchorage newspapers comparing Alaska with Lithuania and the U.S. with the Soviet Union. He looked for a sponsor in order to speak before the U.N. General Assembly on Alaska independence. Iran was more than happy to oblige.

Weeks before he was to fly to New York City, friends found his cabin empty on Memorial Day, 1993, his dogs unfed, his car parked in front, his wallet and heart medicine on the kitchen table, and the cage of his pet goose wrapped in a blanket.

Seventeen months later, Old Joe's remains were found in a gravel pit outside of Fairbanks. A jury ruled Manfred West had killed Joe over the price of dynamite giving the part-time burglar an 80 year sentence for murdering 80 year old Joe.

Fellow miner Frank Warren, holder of one of the few diamond claims in Alaska, believed Joe Vogler could have been elected governor if his language had not been so violent. But, then, he would not had been Joe.

Former Red Onion bartender turned state park ranger Jack Sinclair went to one of Vogler's talks. Joe was taking questions from the audience when a student who had the look of an environmentalist raised his hand.

"Yes, young man."

"You sound very pro-development," said the student.

"But what is your position on the environment?"

Sinclair said a wry smile broke out across that leathered face of Joe's when he answered, "leave some."

• Mike Coppock was an Alaska newspaper editor turned freelancer. His work has appeared in such national magazines as The History Channel, American History, Wild West, Sea Classics, Native Peoples and Trailer Life. He can be reached at [email protected].

 

[DiamondDave]

Coppock was an editor... and Manson was a song writer... adds no credence

This is an editorial piece of nothing more than pure opinion... look at when Vogler died... look if Palin ever met him, supported any of his secessionist views, etc...

This is absolutely PURE CRAP... we have another kool-aid drinking, paste eater on the board...

 

[frogman]

> In a 1982 election debate, he proposed the glaciers blocking a road to Juneau should be nuked.

This is documented fact. So, Palin's husband was a member of a political party who thought we should use nukes against the USA and conspire with Iran on seceeding. Who is the terrorist? She also spoke at their convention saying the were "doing a great job" and "important." there are youtube videos of her saying this.

 

[DiamondDave]

> In a 1982 election debate, he proposed the glaciers blocking a road to Juneau should be nuked.

This is documented fact. So, Palin's husband was a member of a political party who thought we should use nukes against the USA and conspire with Iran on seceeding. Who is the terrorist? She also spoke at their convention saying the were "doing a great job" and "important." there are youtube videos of her saying this.

And DEMs like yourself belong to the party that wanted to continue segregation even longer... so that inherently discredits you over a REP then?

 

[DavidS]

And DEMs like yourself belong to the party that wanted to continue segregation even longer... so that inherently discredits you over a REP then?

You know what army stands for, Dave, right?

Come on. Everything switched in the 1960s. Republicans became conservative nutjobs wanting to continue segregation, seceed from the union and re-institute slavery and Democrats became liberal maniacs wanting to hug trees and save the earth and shit like that.

Palin is linked to a secessionist party for Alaska via her husband. She taped a video for their convention. Her hands are not clean. The only reason why the Obama campaign hasn't attacked her is because she's a woman and the McCain campaign will call Obama sexist once again. Remember lipstick on a pig?

 

[DiamondDave]

You know what army stands for, Dave, right?

Come on. Everything switched in the 1960s. Republicans became conservative nutjobs wanting to continue segregation, seceed from the union and re-institute slavery and Democrats became liberal maniacs wanting to hug trees and save the earth and shit like that.

Palin is linked to a secessionist party for Alaska via her husband. She taped a video for their convention. Her hands are not clean. The only reason why the Obama campaign hasn't attacked her is because she's a woman and the McCain campaign will call Obama sexist once again. Remember lipstick on a pig?

Maybe you should actually watch the video... giving basic words to an opposition party as an official... it is nothing...

And remind me when Vogler was alive and preaching this crap and was it while Palin was a politician... and whether the party supports it now.. and whether Palin met this weirdo?

If the answer is no to all those... her hands are not dirty.... it is the whack-job left who is in to trying to find dirt to smear, when there is none there

 

[Silence]

Maybe you should actually watch the video... giving basic words to an opposition party as an official... it is nothing...

And remind me when Vogler was alive and preaching this crap and was it while Palin was a politician... and whether the party supports it now.. and whether Palin met this weirdo?

If the answer is no to all those... her hands are not dirty.... it is the whack-job left who is in to trying to find dirt to smear, when there is none there

it certainly wouldn't be nothing if it involved a Dem.

some want to make a big deal out of a minor working relationship between Obama and Ayers but those same people want to dismiss Palin's connection to the AIP.

pathetic and hypocritical

 

[Missourian]

it certainly wouldn't be nothing if it involved a Dem.

some want to make a big deal out of a minor working relationship between Obama and Ayers but those same people want to dismiss Palin's connection to the AIP.

pathetic and hypocritical

Got any FBI Wanted Posters for the AIP?

 

[sealybobo]

Coppock was an editor... and Manson was a song writer... adds no credence

This is an editorial piece of nothing more than pure opinion... look at when Vogler died... look if Palin ever met him, supported any of his secessionist views, etc...

This is absolutely PURE CRAP... we have another kool-aid drinking, paste eater on the board...

It's all true Dave



Is John McCain Supported By Terrorist Supporters? Nah.



This morning John McCain put out a list of 100 former ambassadors who are supporting his campaign. Number two is Leonore Annenberg, the wife of Ambassador William Annenberg, the founder of the Annenberg Institute of Reform, which funded the Annenberg Challenge, which once had two famous board members: former "domestic terrorist" William Ayers and Sen. Barack Obama.

So either we should all be outraged that John McCain is supported by a family who funded a foundation that hired a domestic terrorist, or this whole William Ayers thing is just plain silly. I choose the latter.

 

[Missourian]

This morning John McCain put out a list of 100 former ambassadors who are supporting his campaign. Number two is Leonore Annenberg, the wife of Ambassador William Annenberg, the founder of the Annenberg Institute of Reform, which funded the Annenberg Challenge, which once had two famous board members: former "domestic terrorist" William Ayers and Sen. Barack Obama.

Dark Helmet: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

Lone Star: What does that make us?

Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing, which is what you are about to become.

.

 

[DiamondDave]

it certainly wouldn't be nothing if it involved a Dem.

some want to make a big deal out of a minor working relationship between Obama and Ayers but those same people want to dismiss Palin's connection to the AIP.

pathetic and hypocritical

silence...

There is a huge difference....

It is not about Obama committing terror acts... it is about his voluntary and PERSONAL and professional association with Ayers... putting question to his judgment... something that is a valid concern... Obama was a competent adult with full choice and knowledge of Ayers, and still chose the association... the 8 year old argument does not hold water either....

Palin had no direct connection with the whack-job in question here (and yes, I believe Volger was a whack-job).... she did not gain advise, gain favor, etc from this person... Obama, on the other hand, did.... big difference

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Oct. 7, 2008 | “My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.&#8221

AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. “She’s Alaskan to the bone … she sounds just like Joe Vogler.”

So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin’ around with?

Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, “When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don’t have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we’re ready to die.”

This quote is from “Coming Into the Country,” by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska’s remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska’s rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would “run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies.”

Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. “The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed,” by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. “And we can’t have that, can we?”

The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama’s tenuous connection to graying, ’60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins’ connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where’s the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama’s fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

Of course the Cons are gonna call this crap but then talk about Ayers, who then lived as a rebel against an oppressive government, and now is a college professor but this is crap?

Personally, I think its all crap, and I think we've all had friends/family that we don't agree with things they do. I don't think this says anything about Palin, but this video certainly does

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Now thats f-in scary

 

[del]

Of course the Cons are gonna call this crap but then talk about Ayers, who then lived as a rebel against an oppressive government, and now is a college professor but this is crap?

Personally, I think its all crap,

of course you do; you're stupid.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

of course you do; you're stupid.

Wow, what a resounding argument

You voted for Bush twice and I'm the idiot?

 

[sealybobo]

of course you do; you're stupid.

Marylin Shannon. Over the past couple days you've heard the line about Obama "palling around with terrorists" come out of Sarah Palin's mouth on numerous occasions and with relative ease. Well, it's important to note that John McCain's friend, Marilyn Shannon, a Republican official from Oregon, once praised a woman who was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of an abortion clinic doctor. According to Raw Story:

McCain and Shannon appeared together at a fundraiser for the Oregon Citizens Alliance in 1993, a gathering of Christian right extremists that even fellow Republicans advised McCain not to attend because the group was so far outside the mainstream.
Speaking before McCain, Shannon offered some kind words for Shelley Shannon, who was accused and later convicted of shooting an abortion doctor: "I'm not related to Shelly Shannon, but I think she's a fine lady," the vice chairwoman of the state Republican Party said. McCain apparently said nothing to contradict that judgment, and less than three months later he voted against a bill that would make abortion clinic bombings a federal crime.
Todd Palin was a member, for eight years, of the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States of America and is linked with radical secessionist groups, militias, and white supremacists groups from all over the country. We don't know the full extent of Todd Palin's beliefs when it comes to AIP and their radical views, but the problem is - no one is really asking.

If there is even a remote chance that this guy is going to be living in the Vice President's house or White House for the next 4 or 8 years, we deserve to know the truth about his radical views of America, especially given how much Gov. Palin has clearly relied on him for policy-making help while Governor of Alaska.
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