Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[Hollie]

One of those perceptions was the savagery for witch the Arabs were known.

This image of the Arab is still with use today. Whether we picture them settling bombs off in restaurants, suicide bombers on a crowed beach, kidnapping and murdering teenagers, or sending a laser-guided missile into the side of a school bus, the image that the name of the Arab Palestinians invokes is one of sheer barbarism.

All of which they learned from the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

You're history is the befuddled kind. Arab-Moslem savagery against the planet began shortly after the death of Islam's inventor when a fascist politico-religious ideology was unleashed on humanity.

 

[Challenger]

Was Palestine under threat by any of its neighbors?

Of course she was. You are trying to justify States using military force outside their own sovereign lands to incorporate new territory into their own sovereignty. How many times have you told us that you can't use military force to gain territory?

Drivel. Palestine was only ever under threat from Zionist terrorism and land grabbing and later ethnic cleansing which forced the neighbouring states to intervene militarily to prevent. The only actor to illegally gain territory both in 1948 and 1967 and every year since, has been Zionist Israel. Admittedly, Abdullah of Jordan had designs on the West Bank in collusion with the Zionists; much like the Hitler/Stalin, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 to partition Poland and wonder of wonders, the Jordanians were the only army not to attack the Zionists, until the Zionists tried to capture Jerusalem in violation of their agreement.

 

[Challenger]

How the Covenant and Mandate were interpreted and honored, was not a matter for the Arab Palestinians to be concerned.

You mean Just like the Poles in 1939? They were not "concerned" with the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact. How very imperialist of you.

 

[Challenger]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

Why shouldn't they, it was, after all their homeland?

 

[Hollie]

Was Palestine under threat by any of its neighbors?

Of course she was. You are trying to justify States using military force outside their own sovereign lands to incorporate new territory into their own sovereignty. How many times have you told us that you can't use military force to gain territory?

Drivel. Palestine was only ever under threat from Zionist terrorism and land grabbing and later ethnic cleansing which forced the neighbouring states to intervene militarily to prevent. The only actor to illegally gain territory both in 1948 and 1967 and every year since, has been Zionist Israel. Admittedly, Abdullah of Jordan had designs on the West Bank in collusion with the Zionists; much like the Hitler/Stalin, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 to partition Poland and wonder of wonders, the Jordanians were the only army not to attack the Zionists, until the Zionists tried to capture Jerusalem in violation of their agreement.

I think you will find that Zionist Israel™ gained land in 1948 and 1967 after Zionist Israel™ was attacked by The Islamist Entity™. It seems odd to me that The Islamist Entity™ would continue attacks against Zionist Israel™ after suffering humiliating losses and expect Zionist Israel™ would happily return lands used as buffer against said Islamist Entity™ such that The Islamist Entity™ could get a "do-over" and attack Zionist Israel™ again... and again.

 

[Challenger]

The Jewish people did not want a Jewish State. Oh please.

They didn't, as it happens, at least prior to Zionist indoctrination and intimidation. Even in 1945 most wanted to go to the US rather than Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

Why shouldn't they, it was, after all their homeland?

You're suggesting absentee landowners from Egypt, Syria and Syria called your mythical "country of Pal'istan" their homeland?

Chuckle.

 

[Phoenall]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Indeed they already had 78% in the form of trans Jordan and this was not enough for them, or to put it another way they had 99.9% of the failed Ottoman Empire lands as their reward for helping the allies win the war against the Ottomans and had agreed that the Jews could have their homeland on the rest. Proving that muslims can not be trusted at all

 

[Phoenall]

The Jewish people did not want a Jewish State. Oh please.

They didn't, as it happens, at least prior to Zionist indoctrination and intimidation. Even in 1945 most wanted to go to the US rather than Palestine.

LINK and from an unbiased non partisan source

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Hummm,

If you put politics aside, there are very few problems among the different religions.

(COMMENT)

I suppose its a matter of perspective:: depending upon if you are holding the sword or the one about to be beheaded.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, politics.

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

The Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews did not want a Jewish state.

I stand with the people without regard of religion.

LINK ? from an unbiased and non partisan source

 

[Phoenall]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Absentee landlords in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon were the largest landowners, not so-called Pal'istanian squatters. Those absentee landowners sold large tracts to The Zionists™

Arab-Moslem squatters you call "Pal'istanians" may have wanted all of the land area for themselves, but, they didn't own the land area and later, refused to take part in, or cooperate, in the processes of the mandate.

How does it feel to want?

The Ottoman Empire had a different land system. It did not match the western model.

Not that much different as it was of two types

Full title to the land that allowed you to do what you wanted within the law

rented or leased that had stipulations and covenants, one of which was the land was to be cultivated at all times. Allowing goats to wander around it was not seen as cultivation. This is why the land was not arab muslim as the majority was leased to the arab muslims but the Ottoman's still held title

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Hummm,

If you put politics aside, there are very few problems among the different religions.

(COMMENT)

I suppose its a matter of perspective:: depending upon if you are holding the sword or the one about to be beheaded.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, politics.

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

The Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews did not want a Jewish state.

I stand with the people without regard of religion.

"The Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews did not want a Jewish state.... because I say so"

Its true.

Look it up.

I have and cant find anything other than islamonazi propaganda to back up your claim

 

[Phoenall]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Absentee landlords in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon were the largest landowners, not so-called Pal'istanian squatters. Those absentee landowners sold large tracts to The Zionists™

Arab-Moslem squatters you call "Pal'istanians" may have wanted all of the land area for themselves, but, they didn't own the land area and later, refused to take part in, or cooperate, in the processes of the mandate.

How does it feel to want?

The Ottoman Empire had a different land system. It did not match the western model.

Of course, dear. The Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese absentee landowners should have known that decades later, you would be posting on an Internet message board re-writing history and retroactively revising land use laws.

Still propagating the Zionist propaganda. But lets' post the facts as per the UN:

Yes lets, and you can start by removing this map that is not an official UN document, it is older than the UN itself if you look

 

[Phoenall]

The Jewish people did not want a Jewish State. Oh please.

Why do these Orthodox Jews declare that they are living under Israeli occupation?

Because they are ultra extremists that are mooching of anyone they can. If Israel ceased to exist they would die out because they are too lazy to work. These are the anti semitic Jews that in one post you attack for their actions against arab children, then praise in the next for their words on Israeli policies.

 

[Phoenall]

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land.

Indeed, The Ottoman system was more of a land right system than a land ownership system. The people had the right to work land. This right could be bought, sold or inherited. What was called state land was actually communal land that was "owned" by a village. No one person had a deed to that land but there was a collective right to that land. (It is interesting to note the the Venezuela constitution recognizes the communal land of its Indian populations. That guarantees their ownership without the possession of land deeds.)

It was a mix of systems. Trying to fit the land rights system into a land ownership system was like pounding a square peg into a round hole.

BTW, the state lands were ceded to the government of Palestine.

LINK ? as this was not Ottoman land law

 

[Phoenall]

Indeed, The Ottoman system was more of a land right system than a land ownership system. The people had the right to work land. This right could be bought, sold or inherited. What was called state land was actually communal land that was "owned" by a village.

I don't believe this is correct. Miri land could be cultivated and passed down to heirs in perpetuity, but in the absence of heirs or lack of cultivation it reverted to the government. I don't believe that miri land could be sold. Please provide link if I am wrong on this.

Edited to add: Ah. I see I have misread. The right to cultivate the land could be bought and sold. Yes, this is correct. But only with the government's permission.

Still, the land was not "owned" by the village. The right to cultivate the land was. The ownership still rested with the government. The right to cultivate was not a purchase of the land.

BTW, the state lands were ceded to the government of Palestine.

Please support this claim. How and when was state land ceded to the government of Palestine?

When the mandate took over and the government of palestine was the mandatory under the control of the LoN. In 1948 this passed to the Jews when they claimed independence. The arab muslims have yet to be given the same status

 

[Phoenall]

The Jewish people did not want a Jewish State. Oh please.

Why do these Orthodox Jews declare that they are living under Israeli occupation?

Why do these Arab Christians declare they are being dispossessed by Peaceful Inner Strugglers?

That is by people who Hamas arrests.

Who can argue with Islamic terrorist justice?

Certainly not these folks:

And Nutandyahoo said that Hamas will pay a heavy price. For what? killing his spies?

You can prove they were spies, or is this just another racial dig at the JEWS.The word is the majority were fatah members eliminated because they opposed the hamas government way of doing things

 

[Phoenall]

Just a reminder that private land ownership actually has nothing at all to do with sovereignty.

That is true. The homeless man in NYC has the same rights to his country as a farm owner in Iowa. They are both the people of the place. A man who rents an apartment has the same right to country as the man who owns the building.

Israel's propaganda that says that Palestinians have no rights because they did not own land is hogwash. It is just a red herring.

You cant use US laws outside of the US, they do not have any power. You have the right to be armed, try bringing your gun to the UK and see what happens. You might still be trying to extract it 6 months after being thrown to the ground, tazered numerous times and then handcuffed and frog marched to a cell. Your consul will tell you to admit the offence and accept the sentence of being banned from travelling for life

 

[Phoenall]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

What is your point?

THAT THE ARAB MUSLIMS WANTED IT ALL AND WERE PREPARED TO USE EXTREME VIOLENCE TO GET IT.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPORT AND DEFEND

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is not true and you know it. And it is important to remember that the intent over time becomes muddled. In the early 20th Century --- some Jews made a distinction between a "Jewish State" and that of a "State of Jews."

I've seen this distinction before, but I'm not sure if there is a true difference or a relevance in the distinction.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Hummm,

If you put politics aside, there are very few problems among the different religions.

(COMMENT)

I suppose its a matter of perspective:: depending upon if you are holding the sword or the one about to be beheaded.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, politics.

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

The Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews did not want a Jewish state.

I stand with the people without regard of religion.

(COMMENT)

While there are always some faction of a sampled population that goes against the grain, I do not think that the predominant world-wide remainder of the Jewish Population had this mind in 1945 thru 1948. I'm not sure you would have the numbers to say that today.

With the survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bełżec, Chełmno, Majdanek, MalyTreblinka, Trostinets, Sajmište,
Sobibór and Treblinka, and how the Germans through the false color of law, captured, raped, tortured and exterminated Jews by the train cars, --- I'm not sure exactly when you might claim the numbers. But of course, there is this claim that the entire event was a conspiracy, and that the discovery of the camps and the testimony of the survivors is contrived.

Today, your claim makes no difference. While there are 22 Arab League nations that represent 422 Million people, the world-wide number of Jewish people is less than 18 Million.

Most Respectfully,
R

The question is, why did the Muslim and Christian Palestinians have to be punished for crimes committed by Germans?

Who did they side with from 1933 until 1945 and did all they could to hinder the Allies efforts during WW2. They were just as culpable as the Catholics who also sided with the Nazis and were known to have gladly entered the camps to help dispose of the Jews and other untermensch. The mufti demanded that Hitler stop sending Jews to palestine as his people could not keep up with the numbers