Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[GHook93]

MJ is not he sharpest knife in the drawer, he has posted that there are Muslim Archbishops. He probably never read the article himself.

Pot calling the kettle black Smokey!

You spew you antisemitic revisionism as truth
and you attack other people's intelligence.


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[GHook93]

They refer to themselves as the "People of Palestine" you moron.

Yeah, if you didn't know this yet, Monti is much more educated therefore much smarter than anyone else on this board. Just wait for him to tell us. Again.

Thanks for the acknowledgement, but when you make absurd assertions, it isn't too difficult to make you look like a fool. Maybe you should read the source material before you respond in the future. So, your false assertion that there were no Palestinians until Arafat has been debunked, once and for all. At least on this forum. God knows the number of sites you parrot the Zionist propaganda on.

You're still befuddled by terms and definitions. "Pal'istanians" as a national identity was an invention of Arafat in the late 1960's.

You are among a few others who seem to believe that your mythical "country of Pal'istan" existed at some time in the past.

You understand that Disneyland (like Pal'istan) is not a country, right?

The Palestinians legally became Palestinians in 1924.

You should read up before you post Israeli talking points.

That is so not true! You truly are a moron!


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[GLASNOST]

First, that is a weak argument, but no one expects less from the Elder of Zion believer.
Second, but you still decided to respond. Typical antisemitic leftist.
Third, but again you still responded
Fourth, you say you don't have enough information on the topic, but you state it is a lie! Troll much?

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[Phoenall]

The Jewish people did not want a Jewish State. Oh please.

Why do these Orthodox Jews declare that they are living under Israeli occupation?

Because they are ultra extremists that are mooching of anyone they can. If Israel ceased to exist they would die out because they are too lazy to work. These are the anti semitic Jews that in one post you attack for their actions against arab children, then praise in the next for their words on Israeli policies.

Pffft, sour grapes.

WRONG IT IS FACTS AND YOU KNOW IT

It is also irrelevant.

Only because it destroys your POV and islamonazi Jew hatred

 

[Phoenall]

One of those perceptions was the savagery for witch the Arabs were known.

This image of the Arab is still with use today. Whether we picture them settling bombs off in restaurants, suicide bombers on a crowed beach, kidnapping and murdering teenagers, or sending a laser-guided missile into the side of a school bus, the image that the name of the Arab Palestinians invokes is one of sheer barbarism.

All of which they learned from the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

So who was doing it for the muslims before these groups were invented ?

Of course she was. You are trying to justify States using military force outside their own sovereign lands to incorporate new territory into their own sovereignty. How many times have you told us that you can't use military force to gain territory?

Drivel. Palestine was only ever under threat from Zionist terrorism and land grabbing and later ethnic cleansing which forced the neighbouring states to intervene militarily to prevent. The only actor to illegally gain territory both in 1948 and 1967 and every year since, has been Zionist Israel. Admittedly, Abdullah of Jordan had designs on the West Bank in collusion with the Zionists; much like the Hitler/Stalin, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 to partition Poland and wonder of wonders, the Jordanians were the only army not to attack the Zionists, until the Zionists tried to capture Jerusalem in violation of their agreement.

So why is 78% of palestine peaceful and not under any threat from Isreal ?

And why did Jordan pass a law stealing all the Jewish land and revoking their title ?

Do you mean the 78% that Israel did not steal?

HOW CAN YOU STEAL WHAT IS YOURS BY INTERNATIONAL LAW ?

WHERE IS THE TREATY HANDING THE LAND TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS ?

Who do you mean by Arab Muslims?

Exactly what I said, the people you are defending and supporting when they murder children to steal land that was never theirs. Those arab muslims that now call themselves palestinians who have no claim to any of the lands being illegal immigrants and deserters from the arab league forces. No treaty issued by the Ottomans at at any time up until they signed over full control and sovereignty of the land in 1917. No treaty from the LoN who became the sovereign rulers from 1917. No annexation needed as the treaty did all that in one fell swoop

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

The Israelis have control.

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?
WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

Why shouldn't they, it was, after all their homeland?

(COMMENT)

Whatever it is that the Arab Palestinians want, they have to present a solution to the Israelis. All this rhetoric about who stole what when is un-useful.

Failure to deal with the reality of the day with almost guarantee that the Arab Palestinian will come-out losing more than they already have.

Most Respectfully,
R.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

You don't say.

One of those perceptions was the savagery for witch the Arabs were known.

This image of the Arab is still with use today. Whether we picture them settling bombs off in restaurants, suicide bombers on a crowed beach, kidnapping and murdering teenagers, or sending a laser-guided missile into the side of a school bus, the image that the name of the Arab Palestinians invokes is one of sheer barbarism.

All of which they learned from the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism have been around for much longer that this. Terrorism predates Alexander the Great. This line of thought gets you nowhere.

Don't evolve, see what that gets you.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

So the topic is they refuse to have their own land generously offered by Israel?

WRONG they refused to have 78% of palestine generously offered by the LoN, and instead decided they wanted it all or would die trying

 

[Phoenall]

Indeed they already had 78% in the form of trans Jordan

Who do you mean by they? The owner of orange groves in Jaffa? Or had a factory in Haifa? Or a shop, theatre, or farm?

You sound like you are dividing a pizza, not carving up a people's homeland.

The arab muslims calling themselves palestinians of course, they were given 99.9% of the former Ottoman Empire and still wanted the 0.1% granted to the Jews.

It was never the arab muslims homeland as they were nomads that followed the crops, they never put down roots or settled until after 1948 when their nomadic route was cut with the introduction of Israel

Israeli bullshit extraordinaire.

WRONG as this goes back to before Israel was accepted as the Jewish national home. Your answer to everything that destroys your POV and stance is to claim Israeli bullshit or some such profanity, shows you are losing the argument

 

[Phoenall]

First, the decision by the Allied Powers to proceed with the establishment of the Jewish National Home (JNH) was not a matter of punishment.

Tell that to the Palestinians.

And they LIE more than you do so you would not get a proper answer

 

[Phoenall]

One of those perceptions was the savagery for witch the Arabs were known.

This image of the Arab is still with use today. Whether we picture them settling bombs off in restaurants, suicide bombers on a crowed beach, kidnapping and murdering teenagers, or sending a laser-guided missile into the side of a school bus, the image that the name of the Arab Palestinians invokes is one of sheer barbarism.

All of which they learned from the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

So who was doing it for the muslims before these groups were invented ?

Of course she was. You are trying to justify States using military force outside their own sovereign lands to incorporate new territory into their own sovereignty. How many times have you told us that you can't use military force to gain territory?

Drivel. Palestine was only ever under threat from Zionist terrorism and land grabbing and later ethnic cleansing which forced the neighbouring states to intervene militarily to prevent. The only actor to illegally gain territory both in 1948 and 1967 and every year since, has been Zionist Israel. Admittedly, Abdullah of Jordan had designs on the West Bank in collusion with the Zionists; much like the Hitler/Stalin, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 to partition Poland and wonder of wonders, the Jordanians were the only army not to attack the Zionists, until the Zionists tried to capture Jerusalem in violation of their agreement.

So why is 78% of palestine peaceful and not under any threat from Isreal ?

And why did Jordan pass a law stealing all the Jewish land and revoking their title ?

Do you mean the 78% that Israel did not steal?

HOW CAN YOU STEAL WHAT IS YOURS BY INTERNATIONAL LAW ?

WHERE IS THE TREATY HANDING THE LAND TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS ?

The Palestinians became the citizens of Palestine by international law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Palestinian citizenship order.

I guess that means that Palestine belongs to some criminals out of Europe.

Try again the palestinians were the Jews until 1960 when arafat stole the name, so they became the citizens of the part of palestine destined for the Jewish national home. The arab muslims became citizens of the part of palestine named trans Jordan and that was their national home. By citizen of palestine the LoN meant citizen of the mandate of palestine

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you've read the postings.

The question is, why did the Muslim and Christian Palestinians have to be punished for crimes committed by Germans?

(ANSWER)

There is no one single reason this is wrong.

First, the decision by the Allied Powers to proceed with the establishment of the Jewish National Home (JNH) was not a matter of punishment.

Second, the JNH was decided to be established in Enemy Occupied Territory. Not the Territory in which the population favored the Allied Powers.

The territory in which the JHN was to be established, was territory in which the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced, in favor of the Principal Allied Powers, all rights and title.
​

This decision was not a decision based totally on a religious issue. The Allied Powers made the decision in the recognized need to protect the Jewish People as a culture from further abuse by unscrupilous leaders; using the color of law and the weight of the majority that rules as a means to further persecute the Jewish People.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your fascism is showing.

Power politics overriding the rights of a people.

That would be yours and the islamonazi's who are followers of fascist principles

 

[Challenger]

Whatever it is that the Arab Palestinians want, they have to present a solution to the Israelis.

Or perhaps these Zionist "supermen" can get their collective "superior intelligences" together and present a solution to the poor befuddled Palestinians, given the number of Nobel prizes they've accumulated over the years and their superior level of development (18th I think you said it was)?

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

You don't say.

One of those perceptions was the savagery for witch the Arabs were known.

This image of the Arab is still with use today. Whether we picture them settling bombs off in restaurants, suicide bombers on a crowed beach, kidnapping and murdering teenagers, or sending a laser-guided missile into the side of a school bus, the image that the name of the Arab Palestinians invokes is one of sheer barbarism.

All of which they learned from the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism have been around for much longer that this. Terrorism predates Alexander the Great. This line of thought gets you nowhere.

Don't evolve, see what that gets you.

Most Respectfully,
R

Depends how you view terrorism, certainly the use of terror tactics in warfare was well known to the Assyrians, 5000 years ago, but if by terrorism you mean a small group of fanatics killing in order to further their political/religious agenda, then look no further than the Jewish Sicarii, the first recorded terrorist group in history and if you believe Zionist historiography, direct descendants of the Irgun, Lehi, Palmach and Hagana.

Are you saying Jewish people haven't evolved?

 

[P F Tinmore]

By citizen of palestine the LoN meant citizen of the mandate of palestine

Link?

 

[Shusha]

But they demanded it all on their terms

The Palestinians wanted all of Palestine?

WOW, how dare they?

Not quite. The Arab Palestinians wanted all of Palestine.

Why shouldn't they, it was, after all their homeland?

It was also the Jewish homeland.

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you've read the postings.

The question is, why did the Muslim and Christian Palestinians have to be punished for crimes committed by Germans?

(ANSWER)

There is no one single reason this is wrong.

First, the decision by the Allied Powers to proceed with the establishment of the Jewish National Home (JNH) was not a matter of punishment.

Second, the JNH was decided to be established in Enemy Occupied Territory. Not the Territory in which the population favored the Allied Powers.

The territory in which the JHN was to be established, was territory in which the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced, in favor of the Principal Allied Powers, all rights and title.
​

This decision was not a decision based totally on a religious issue. The Allied Powers made the decision in the recognized need to protect the Jewish People as a culture from further abuse by unscrupilous leaders; using the color of law and the weight of the majority that rules as a means to further persecute the Jewish People.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your fascism is showing.

Power politics overriding the rights of a people.

You mean like the Palestinian right to thank Israel with rocket missiles from a new terrorist base for giving the Pali's a Jew free Gaza?

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

And here again, is an example of trying to play the victim.

Individual Mental Capability and Intelligence ("supermen" --- "superior intelligences") are not characteristics that we can definitely explain the source; although we think it is primarily an inherited quality. There are things that can definitely detract from the ability to use the higher order mental functions two or more standard deviations above the norm, in given areas of understanding. But again, we don't know how to even measure intelligence. It is one of those attributes that we know it when we see it. But just as we can spot influential thinkers across various disciplines (Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Hypatia of Alexandria, Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Kepler, Isaac Newton, Mozart, Max Plank, Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein, etc...), so it is that we can spot obvious voids in contributions.

Whatever it is that the Arab Palestinians want, they have to present a solution to the Israelis.

Or perhaps these Zionist "supermen" can get their collective "superior intelligences" together and present a solution to the poor befuddled Palestinians, given the number of Nobel prizes they've accumulated over the years and their superior level of development (18th I think you said it was)?

(COMMENT)

Up until ≈ the 13th Century (the Islamic Golden Age was the 8th - 13th Century), the Arabs World was the center of technical science and mathematics. Something definitely happened. The Islamic World consists of of more then 20% of the global population. But after the 13th Century, contributes almost nothing. In the last 100 years, the Jewish Population (15B) has contributed more to civilization than the entire Global Muslim Population (400B) in the last 7 Centuries.

We do not know if the correlation has anything to do with productivity of the Islamic culture, but clearly, it can be said that their is a gap (World-wide) that directly correlates to the lack of productivity in the Arab Palestinians. And that world-wide observation has nothing to do with Israeli Occupation. It is the same observation everywhere.

Given that the Israelis have presented the opportunity to the Arab Palestinians to make the first overtures for peace, would it not be in the best interest of the "poor befuddled Palestinians" (as you describe them) to put their best foot forward?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Challenger, et al,

And here again, is an example of trying to play the victim.

Individual Mental Capability and Intelligence ("supermen" --- "superior intelligences") are not characteristics that we can definitely explain the source; although we think it is primarily an inherited quality. There are things that can definitely detract from the ability to use the higher order mental functions two or more standard deviations above the norm, in given areas of understanding. But again, we don't know how to even measure intelligence. It is one of those attributes that we know it when we see it. But just as we can spot influential thinkers across various disciplines (Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Hypatia of Alexandria, Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Kepler, Isaac Newton, Mozart, Max Plank, Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein, etc...), so it is that we can spot obvious voids in contributions.

Whatever it is that the Arab Palestinians want, they have to present a solution to the Israelis.

Or perhaps these Zionist "supermen" can get their collective "superior intelligences" together and present a solution to the poor befuddled Palestinians, given the number of Nobel prizes they've accumulated over the years and their superior level of development (18th I think you said it was)?

(COMMENT)

Up until ≈ the 13th Century (the Islamic Golden Age was the 8th - 13th Century), the Arabs World was the center of technical science and mathematics. Something definitely happened. The Islamic World consists of of more then 20% of the global population. But after the 13th Century, contributes almost nothing. In the last 100 years, the Jewish Population (15B) has contributed more to civilization than the entire Global Muslim Population (400B) in the last 7 Centuries.

We do not know if the correlation has anything to do with productivity of the Islamic culture, but clearly, it can be said that their is a gap (World-wide) that directly correlates to the lack of productivity in the Arab Palestinians. And that world-wide observation has nothing to do with Israeli Occupation. It is the same observation everywhere.

Given that the Israelis have presented the opportunity to the Arab Palestinians to make the first overtures for peace, would it not be in the best interest of the "poor befuddled Palestinians" (as you describe them) to put their best foot forward?

Most Respectfully,
R

Fabulous reply. For some the truth hurts. Yet it remains true beyond any rational denial.

 

[MJB12741]

Challenger, et al,

And here again, is an example of trying to play the victim.

Individual Mental Capability and Intelligence ("supermen" --- "superior intelligences") are not characteristics that we can definitely explain the source; although we think it is primarily an inherited quality. There are things that can definitely detract from the ability to use the higher order mental functions two or more standard deviations above the norm, in given areas of understanding. But again, we don't know how to even measure intelligence. It is one of those attributes that we know it when we see it. But just as we can spot influential thinkers across various disciplines (Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Hypatia of Alexandria, Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Kepler, Isaac Newton, Mozart, Max Plank, Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein, etc...), so it is that we can spot obvious voids in contributions.

Whatever it is that the Arab Palestinians want, they have to present a solution to the Israelis.

Or perhaps these Zionist "supermen" can get their collective "superior intelligences" together and present a solution to the poor befuddled Palestinians, given the number of Nobel prizes they've accumulated over the years and their superior level of development (18th I think you said it was)?

(COMMENT)

Up until ≈ the 13th Century (the Islamic Golden Age was the 8th - 13th Century), the Arabs World was the center of technical science and mathematics. Something definitely happened. The Islamic World consists of of more then 20% of the global population. But after the 13th Century, contributes almost nothing. In the last 100 years, the Jewish Population (15B) has contributed more to civilization than the entire Global Muslim Population (400B) in the last 7 Centuries.

We do not know if the correlation has anything to do with productivity of the Islamic culture, but clearly, it can be said that their is a gap (World-wide) that directly correlates to the lack of productivity in the Arab Palestinians. And that world-wide observation has nothing to do with Israeli Occupation. It is the same observation everywhere.

Given that the Israelis have presented the opportunity to the Arab Palestinians to make the first overtures for peace, would it not be in the best interest of the "poor befuddled Palestinians" (as you describe them) to put their best foot forward?

Most Respectfully,
R

Fabulous reply. For some the truth hurts. Yet it remains true beyond any rational denial.[/QUOTE

Makes me wonder how many Palestinians & their supporters have ever read the works of Avicenna, Averroes. al-Kindi, al-Farabi or the Mu'tazillites? Brilliant Muslims of faith, peace worldly love & philosophy that influenced both Jewish & Christian thinking.

And today we have Palestinians to replace them.