Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[P F Tinmore]

In the survey, the coordinator asked the residents what they would prefer to do with $3 million: "Would you prefer to invest in a terror tunnel or an oncology ward for sick children in Gaza?

"You chose - a pediatric oncology department. So why does Hamas not ask you why it chooses to invest in the death tunnels?" he wrote.

He added a video showing the air force bombing a terror tunnel today in Khan Yunis. "This is further evidence that the Hamas terrorist organization is burning your money," Abu Rukun wrote.

(full article online)

'Residents of Gaza, why doesn't Hamas ask you?'

Those tunnels were a good defense in the last war.

Wait, what?! So you are telling the people of Gaza that their wish for a pediatric oncology department is the WRONG choice?

Those tunnels changed the course of the war. Israel got its ass kicked.

What planet do you live on?????

The one with the facts.

 

[Shusha]

In the survey, the coordinator asked the residents what they would prefer to do with $3 million: "Would you prefer to invest in a terror tunnel or an oncology ward for sick children in Gaza?

"You chose - a pediatric oncology department. So why does Hamas not ask you why it chooses to invest in the death tunnels?" he wrote.

He added a video showing the air force bombing a terror tunnel today in Khan Yunis. "This is further evidence that the Hamas terrorist organization is burning your money," Abu Rukun wrote.

(full article online)

'Residents of Gaza, why doesn't Hamas ask you?'

Those tunnels were a good defense in the last war.

Wait, what?! So you are telling the people of Gaza that their wish for a pediatric oncology department is the WRONG choice?

Those tunnels changed the course of the war. Israel got its ass kicked.

Palestinian mentality is strong in this one.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
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While the "infiltration tunnels" might have been (somewhat of) a surprise, I don't think it "changed the course of the war."

Those tunnels changed the course of the war. Israel got its ass kicked.

Palestinian mentality is strong in this one.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian "course of the war" is the same today as it was in the year 2000.

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Just how do you assess the Battle Damage and Casualties relative "infiltration tunnels?" I do not recall any Israeli - Arab Palestinian engagement where the outcome was a win for the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→

While the "infiltration tunnels" might have been (somewhat of) a surprise, I don't think it "changed the course of the war."

Those tunnels changed the course of the war. Israel got its ass kicked.

Palestinian mentality is strong in this one.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian "course of the war" is the same today as it was in the year 2000.

Oct 12 2000
Ramallah lynching
The 2000 Ramallah lynching was a violent incident in October 2000 of the
Second Intifada in which a Palestinian mob lynched two Israeli soldiers,...
Read more
​

Just how do you assess the Battle Damage and Casualties relative "infiltration tunnels?" I do not recall any Israeli - Arab Palestinian engagement where the outcome was a win for the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

Because if the tunnels, Israel lost 10 times the soldiers in Protective Edge that they did in the previous assault. Not only that but between 500 and 700 troops were wounded. Those tunnels were a very effective defense.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ "P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a relatively unenlightened view of the cause of casualties.

Because if the tunnels, Israel lost 10 times the soldiers in Protective Edge that they did in the previous assault. Not only that but between 500 and 700 troops were wounded. Those tunnels were a very effective defense.

• Operation: CAST LEAD 27 December 2008 -- 18 January 2009 (3 weeks)

Israel:

IDF 13 KIA (friendly fire: 4)
Civilians: 3 Killed
Total wounded: 518
Soldiers: 336
Civilians: 182https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_(2008–09)#cite_note-ocha2009jan26-29​

Arab Palestinians

2,310 killed,
5,303 wounded
​

• Operation: PROTECTIVE EDGE 8 July – 26 August 2014 (7 weeks)

Israel

67 soldiers KIA
6 civilians killed,
Total wounded:
469 soldiers and
87 civilians wounded​

Arab Palestinians:

Total killed: 1,417
Total wounded: 10,626

​

There is a drastic difference in the complexion between the two incursion. You can make all kinds of retios and comparisons with these figures. But the assessment of the incursion is something much different. WHY? Because the nature of the conflict is not measured in territory taken, but to cause a cessation of hostile fire (incoming into Israel).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore measures "success" in war and "effective defense" by the number of Jews killed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ "P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a relatively unenlightened view of the cause of casualties.

Because if the tunnels, Israel lost 10 times the soldiers in Protective Edge that they did in the previous assault. Not only that but between 500 and 700 troops were wounded. Those tunnels were a very effective defense.

• Operation: CAST LEAD 27 December 2008 -- 18 January 2009 (3 weeks)

Israel:

IDF 13 KIA (friendly fire: 4)
Civilians: 3 Killed
Total wounded: 518
Soldiers: 336
Civilians: 182​

Arab Palestinians

2,310 killed,
5,303 wounded
​

• Operation: PROTECTIVE EDGE 8 July – 26 August 2014 (7 weeks)

Israel

67 soldiers KIA
6 civilians killed,
Total wounded:
469 soldiers and
87 civilians wounded​

Arab Palestinians:

Total killed: 1,417
Total wounded: 10,626

​

There is a drastic difference in the complexion between the two incursion. You can make all kinds of retios and comparisons with these figures. But the assessment of the incursion is something much different. WHY? Because the nature of the conflict is not measured in territory taken, but to cause a cessation of hostile fire (incoming into Israel).

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is winning.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ "P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a relatively unenlightened view of the cause of casualties.

Because if the tunnels, Israel lost 10 times the soldiers in Protective Edge that they did in the previous assault. Not only that but between 500 and 700 troops were wounded. Those tunnels were a very effective defense.

• Operation: CAST LEAD 27 December 2008 -- 18 January 2009 (3 weeks)

Israel:

IDF 13 KIA (friendly fire: 4)
Civilians: 3 Killed
Total wounded: 518
Soldiers: 336
Civilians: 182​

Arab Palestinians

2,310 killed,
5,303 wounded
​

• Operation: PROTECTIVE EDGE 8 July – 26 August 2014 (7 weeks)

Israel

67 soldiers KIA
6 civilians killed,
Total wounded:
469 soldiers and
87 civilians wounded​

Arab Palestinians:

Total killed: 1,417
Total wounded: 10,626

​

There is a drastic difference in the complexion between the two incursion. You can make all kinds of retios and comparisons with these figures. But the assessment of the incursion is something much different. WHY? Because the nature of the conflict is not measured in territory taken, but to cause a cessation of hostile fire (incoming into Israel).

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is willing.

Wow, what a very bad sentence.

Oh, you meant "winning" ho, ho, ho.....I got it.

No, Tinman, that is not how Israel measures success.

But just wait and see if all the terrorist groups in Gaza continue their behavior, if they are going to be happy being blown up, and put an end to by Israel once and for all.

Hamas and others are really asking for it, and they will get it.

 

[Shusha]

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Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is winning.

Israel thinks stopping the attacks on her citizens is winning.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is winning.

Israel thinks stopping the attacks on her citizens is winning.

How does killing civilians help that?

 

[Sixties Fan]

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Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is winning.

Israel thinks stopping the attacks on her citizens is winning.

How does killing civilians help that?

Tinmore is BORED TO DEATH today and has nothing else to do.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You're just twisting the events for propaganda purposes.

Israel thinks that blowing up a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure is winning.

(COMMENT)

There would be no attacks if the population of Arab Palestinians complied with the common law and international humanitarian law.

There would be significantly fewer casualties if the Arab Palestinians complied with the Customary iHL:

• #23 Location of Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas
• #24 Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives
• #97 Human Shields

These are the principle reasons (but not exclusively the only reasons) for the number of civilian casualties incurred in response to Arab Palestinian acts of war → and → the hostile and violent acts against Israel in violation to Customary and International Humanitarian Law which hold the Arab Palestinians punishable.

It is an exceptionally prominent characteristic of the Hostie Arab Palestinian (HoAP) to blame some other party, as you have done here, for the civilian casualties and damage → which the HoAP incited → and then demonstrated an intentional and reckless disregard for human life by not complying with Customary IHL.

The total cost of the conflict is solely placed on the shoulders of the HoAP and the irresponsible and callous population that overtly supports the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters that openly operate and parade in the territory. The cost includes the retarded human development of the general territorial population that put the need for conflict above humanity and the improvement in the quality of life.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

How does killing civilians help that?

The deaths of civilians are a horrific side effect of that. It can not be alleviated by Israel any more than they have already done against a hostile enemy. It CAN, however, be alleviated by Gaza and its government with a few simple steps.

1. (Most importantly) STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL.
2. If you MUST attack Israel, launch attacks from areas which are far removed from civilians, or from where civilians have been removed to safety.
3. If you MUST attack Israel, build bomb shelters for citizens, and provide early warning systems.

None of this is rocket science.

 

[Shusha]

RoccoR said it so much better than I did.

 

[Shusha]

Also, here's the thing. If winning the conflict is SO important that you would sacrifice your citizens and your children for it, you have no right to complain when your citizens and your children die for it.

 

[member]

In the survey, the coordinator asked the residents what they would prefer to do with $3 million: "Would you prefer to invest in a terror tunnel or an oncology ward for sick children in Gaza?

"You chose - a pediatric oncology department. So why does Hamas not ask you why it chooses to invest in the death tunnels?" he wrote.

He added a video showing the air force bombing a terror tunnel today in Khan Yunis. "This is further evidence that the Hamas terrorist organization is burning your money," Abu Rukun wrote.

(full article online)

'Residents of Gaza, why doesn't Hamas ask you?'

Those tunnels were a good defense in the last war.

Wait, what?! So you are telling the people of Gaza that their wish for a pediatric oncology department is the WRONG choice?

Those tunnels changed the course of the war. Israel got its ass kicked.

What planet do you live on?????

at least he admitted that the palestinians have goofy leaders.....




"Those tunnels were a good defense in the last war..."



- kite bombs



- brainwashing & recruiting children to act like them...a terrorist




- dissing cease-fires and peace offerings...



- blaming israel for the continued violence when they retaliate against a mob of people tossing molotov cocktails over the border, defending against a mob of people rushing the border ...people [recruits&kids] starting fires...[the list goes on...]


"good defense, last war" - stop trying to "build up" hamass as if they're nothing but, pond-scum.

 

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[P F Tinmore]