Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Shusha]

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

What authority does the UN have to divide country?

Link to article in the UN Charter?

The UN has none. But the principle of self-determination is the world standard and backed by international law.

What authority does anyone have to prevent self-determination?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a skewed question... In order to be an objective question, it would question by what means.

1947 → 1949: Israeli War of Independence Arab League Attacks (Not Israel)

Independent from what?

(ANSWER)

You could say from an unbiased vantage point that on terminator (midnight) 14/15 May 1948 Israel was released from League of Nations mandate under British administration, and by right of self-determination, declared independence as through the Freedom of the Jewish People of a given area as defined in UN Resolution A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947, to establish a sovereign Jewish National Home. This action subsequently acknowledges through the Admission of Israel to membership in the UN Resolution A/RES/273 (III) of 11 May 1949.

Now I understand that the Arab Palestinians in denial refuse to accept the authority of the Jewish Right to Self-Determination. I also understand that some "Flat-Earth type" Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on the decisions of the San Remo Convention of 1920; as well as A/RES/181(II).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a skewed question... In order to be an objective question, it would question by what means.

1947 → 1949: Israeli War of Independence Arab League Attacks (Not Israel)

Independent from what?

(ANSWER)

You could say from an unbiased vantage point that on terminator (midnight) 14/15 May 1948 Israel was released from League of Nations mandate under British administration, and by right of self-determination, declared independence as through the Freedom of the Jewish People of a given area as defined in UN Resolution A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947, to establish a sovereign Jewish National Home. This action subsequently acknowledges through the Admission of Israel to membership in the UN Resolution A/RES/273 (III) of 11 May 1949.

Now I understand that the Arab Palestinians in denial refuse to accept the authority of the Jewish Right to Self-Determination. I also understand that some "Flat-Earth type" Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on the decisions of the San Remo Convention of 1920; as well as A/RES/181(II).

Most Respectfully,
R

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

 

[Shusha]

The Arab Palestinians always select conflict as the preferred solution to disputes,

Palestinians attempting to return to their homes (that they have every right to do) are shot by Israel.

No such right exists. The laws around return concern return to a country of origin and even then is not given as an absolute right but only as one possible outcome. None of these laws pass this "return" down to through generations of descendants. The idea of a generational absolute right to return to a homeland is a fiction devised by Arab Palestinians to root out Jews in Israel and prevent or destroy their self-determination. The irony is that this fictional generational "right" of return serves the Jewish people and their right to settlement far better than it serves the Arabs.

 

[Shusha]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a skewed question... In order to be an objective question, it would question by what means.

1947 → 1949: Israeli War of Independence Arab League Attacks (Not Israel)

Independent from what?

(ANSWER)

You could say from an unbiased vantage point that on terminator (midnight) 14/15 May 1948 Israel was released from League of Nations mandate under British administration, and by right of self-determination, declared independence as through the Freedom of the Jewish People of a given area as defined in UN Resolution A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947, to establish a sovereign Jewish National Home. This action subsequently acknowledges through the Admission of Israel to membership in the UN Resolution A/RES/273 (III) of 11 May 1949.

Now I understand that the Arab Palestinians in denial refuse to accept the authority of the Jewish Right to Self-Determination. I also understand that some "Flat-Earth type" Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on the decisions of the San Remo Convention of 1920; as well as A/RES/181(II).

Most Respectfully,
R

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

They didn't give anything away. They merely recognized the Jewish people's existing rights.

 

[Hollie]

◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

The Palestinians can defend themselves from aggression.

Now, with Iranian money, they can attack Israel and "martyr" themselves for the glory of the Shia mullahs.

 

[wasrose]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a skewed question... In order to be an objective question, it would question by what means.

1947 → 1949: Israeli War of Independence Arab League Attacks (Not Israel)

Independent from what?

(ANSWER)

You could say from an unbiased vantage point that on terminator (midnight) 14/15 May 1948 Israel was released from League of Nations mandate under British administration, and by right of self-determination, declared independence as through the Freedom of the Jewish People of a given area as defined in UN Resolution A/RES/181 (II) 29 NOV 1947, to establish a sovereign Jewish National Home. This action subsequently acknowledges through the Admission of Israel to membership in the UN Resolution A/RES/273 (III) of 11 May 1949.

Now I understand that the Arab Palestinians in denial refuse to accept the authority of the Jewish Right to Self-Determination. I also understand that some "Flat-Earth type" Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on the decisions of the San Remo Convention of 1920; as well as A/RES/181(II).

Most Respectfully,
R

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

what did Britain "GIVE AWAY" -----other than Indian land up north----to wit PAKISTAN?

 

[wasrose]

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

What authority does the UN have to divide country?

Link to article in the UN Charter?

what country did the UN "divide"? (other than several) ?

 

[wasrose]

◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

The Palestinians can defend themselves from aggression.

Now, with Iranian money, they can attack Israel and "martyr" themselves for the glory of the Shia mullahs.

who are the "PALESTINIANS"?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is the "explicit" authority of the Allied Powers to determine "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned." It is not ambiguous and conformed to the Customary and International Law enforce at that time (and for the next quarter century).

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

(ANSWER)

• ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognized by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
[/quote=""]

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[wasrose]

Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.

No, they shoot mobs of people trying to penetrate the border, roll burning tires, fly burning kites, and launch rockets.

There is no border there. It is only Israel's cage around Gaza.

You need to update your propaganda.

no border? nowhere? "cage" ------who tends the cage around the gaza strip on its west side? Of what is the "CAGE" constructed?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is the "explicit" authority of the Allied Powers to determine "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned." It is not ambiguous and conformed to the Customary and International Law enforce at that time (and for the next quarter century).

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

(ANSWER)

• ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognized by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
[/quote=""]

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my question!

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

(ANSWER)

At Midnight 14/15 May 1948, at the initial declaration of Independence, the official territory conformed to that annotated in:

Annex A

Plan of Partition with Economic Union
Annex B

City of Jerusalem
Boundaries Proposed By The Ad Hoc Committee On The Palestinian Question
* *** *
​

However that all change immediately upon the observation of movement towards that boundary. Israel redeployed forward to defendable positions to meet the imminent attack, by Arab League Forces. which came in the daylight hours of 15 May.

At the conclusion of hostilities in 1949, by Armistice Arrangement through the efforts of the UN Mediator by Dr. Ralph Bunche. Dr Bunche became a 1950 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his efforts. The Armistice Lines represented the Forward Edge of the Battle Areas.

More permanent arrangements have been established since that time, with the parties to the conflict; which did not include the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Slyhunter]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is the "explicit" authority of the Allied Powers to determine "the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned." It is not ambiguous and conformed to the Customary and International Law enforce at that time (and for the next quarter century).

Arab Palestinians refuse to recognize the validity of The Balfour Declaration,

Where did Britain get the authority to giveaway what was not theirs?

(ANSWER)

• ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognized by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
[/quote=""]

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

 

[Sixties Fan]

UK Media Watch prompts Guardian to admit that Palestinians triggered latest conflict

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Yes, I happen to agree(+).

UK Media Watch prompts Guardian to admit that Palestinians triggered latest conflict

(COMMENT)

But I find that the Guardian always works in favor of itself.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my question!

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

(ANSWER)

At Midnight 14/15 May 1948, at the initial declaration of Independence, the official territory conformed to that annotated in:

Annex A

Plan of Partition with Economic Union
Annex B

City of Jerusalem
Boundaries Proposed By The Ad Hoc Committee On The Palestinian Question
* *** *
​

However that all change immediately upon the observation of movement towards that boundary. Israel redeployed forward to defendable positions to meet the imminent attack, by Arab League Forces. which came in the daylight hours of 15 May.

At the conclusion of hostilities in 1949, by Armistice Arrangement through the efforts of the UN Mediator by Dr. Ralph Bunche. Dr Bunche became a 1950 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his efforts. The Armistice Lines represented the Forward Edge of the Battle Areas.

More permanent arrangements have been established since that time, with the parties to the conflict; which did not include the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep bringing up Resolution 181 like it means something. Israel also mentioned Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Even in fake history it is said that Israel acquired territory beyond that what was allotted in Resolution 181.

However, there was no Resolution 181. There was no territory allotted to a Jewish state. There was no legitimacy given to a Jewish state. Resolution 181 was not implemented by the Security Council as required by the resolution.

So my question remains unanswered. You ducked it again.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my question!

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

(ANSWER)

At Midnight 14/15 May 1948, at the initial declaration of Independence, the official territory conformed to that annotated in:

Annex A

Plan of Partition with Economic Union
Annex B

City of Jerusalem
Boundaries Proposed By The Ad Hoc Committee On The Palestinian Question
* *** *
​

However that all change immediately upon the observation of movement towards that boundary. Israel redeployed forward to defendable positions to meet the imminent attack, by Arab League Forces. which came in the daylight hours of 15 May.

At the conclusion of hostilities in 1949, by Armistice Arrangement through the efforts of the UN Mediator by Dr. Ralph Bunche. Dr Bunche became a 1950 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his efforts. The Armistice Lines represented the Forward Edge of the Battle Areas.

More permanent arrangements have been established since that time, with the parties to the conflict; which did not include the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep bringing up Resolution 181 like it means something. Israel also mentioned Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Even in fake history it is said that Israel acquired territory beyond that what was allotted in Resolution 181.

However, there was no Resolution 181. There was no territory allotted to a Jewish state. There was no legitimacy given to a Jewish state. Resolution 181 was not implemented by the Security Council as required by the resolution.

So my question remains unanswered. You ducked it again.

No territory acquired by Israel is beyond the border of the territory vested with the sovereignty of the Jewish Nation.

Resolution 181 was the first time an Arab state was suggested on the west bank of the territory that was alloted to the Jewish Nation under international law, not the other way around.
With or without the resolution Jews had all the legal claim to independence in that territory, Arabs still don't, and that's the grasp at 181 as a bluff pretending it gives them any right to dominate any more territory beyond the 99% given to them in the middle east.

Was not implemented, was denied by the Arab league, therefore no territory was EVER legally alloted to an Arab state.

While You keep obsessively trying to turn every fact on its head , the territory alloted to the Jewish Nation is recognized even by the"Palestinian Academic Society for The Study of International Affairs" website:

PASSIA - MAPS - Palestine - PALESTINE UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my question!

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

(ANSWER)

At Midnight 14/15 May 1948, at the initial declaration of Independence, the official territory conformed to that annotated in:

Annex A

Plan of Partition with Economic Union
Annex B

City of Jerusalem
Boundaries Proposed By The Ad Hoc Committee On The Palestinian Question
* *** *
​

However that all change immediately upon the observation of movement towards that boundary. Israel redeployed forward to defendable positions to meet the imminent attack, by Arab League Forces. which came in the daylight hours of 15 May.

At the conclusion of hostilities in 1949, by Armistice Arrangement through the efforts of the UN Mediator by Dr. Ralph Bunche. Dr Bunche became a 1950 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his efforts. The Armistice Lines represented the Forward Edge of the Battle Areas.

More permanent arrangements have been established since that time, with the parties to the conflict; which did not include the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep bringing up Resolution 181 like it means something. Israel also mentioned Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Even in fake history it is said that Israel acquired territory beyond that what was allotted in Resolution 181.

However, there was no Resolution 181. There was no territory allotted to a Jewish state. There was no legitimacy given to a Jewish state. Resolution 181 was not implemented by the Security Council as required by the resolution.

So my question remains unanswered. You ducked it again.

What is it exactly you’re still whining about? This is another of the many historical references that has been explained to you again and again yet you whine through thread after thread with the same shrill whining, whining about Arab-Moslem failure and incompetence as though your whining should be taken as anything other than whining.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you missed my question!

(COUNTER-QUESTION)

And just where does the Hostile Arab Palestinian derive the authority to make credible threats and THEN use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the newly formed State of Israel???

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was Israel's territory?

Got a map?

(ANSWER)

At Midnight 14/15 May 1948, at the initial declaration of Independence, the official territory conformed to that annotated in:

Annex A

Plan of Partition with Economic Union
Annex B

City of Jerusalem
Boundaries Proposed By The Ad Hoc Committee On The Palestinian Question
* *** *
​

However that all change immediately upon the observation of movement towards that boundary. Israel redeployed forward to defendable positions to meet the imminent attack, by Arab League Forces. which came in the daylight hours of 15 May.

At the conclusion of hostilities in 1949, by Armistice Arrangement through the efforts of the UN Mediator by Dr. Ralph Bunche. Dr Bunche became a 1950 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his efforts. The Armistice Lines represented the Forward Edge of the Battle Areas.

More permanent arrangements have been established since that time, with the parties to the conflict; which did not include the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep bringing up Resolution 181 like it means something. Israel also mentioned Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Even in fake history it is said that Israel acquired territory beyond that what was allotted in Resolution 181.

However, there was no Resolution 181. There was no territory allotted to a Jewish state. There was no legitimacy given to a Jewish state. Resolution 181 was not implemented by the Security Council as required by the resolution.

So my question remains unanswered. You ducked it again.

No territory acquired by Israel is beyond the border of the territory vested with the sovereignty of the Jewish Nation.

Resolution 181 was the first time an Arab state was suggested on the west bank of the territory that was alloted to the Jewish Nation under international law, not the other way around.
With or without the resolution Jews had all the legal claim to independence in that territory, Arabs still don't, and that's the grasp at 181 as a bluff pretending it gives them any right to dominate any more territory beyond the 99% given to them in the middle east.

Was not implemented, was denied by the Arab league, therefore no territory was EVER legally alloted to an Arab state.

While You keep obsessively trying to turn every fact on its head , the territory alloted to the Jewish Nation is recognized even by the"Palestinian Academic Society for The Study of International Affairs" website:

PASSIA - MAPS - Palestine - PALESTINE UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE

Was not implemented, was denied by the Arab league, therefore no territory was EVER legally alloted to an Arab state.

Palestine was already there. It was multi ethnic, multi religious state. The "Arab" state and "Jewish" state were products of the partition that didn't happen. So yeah, there was no "Arab" state.