Palestinians in the GAZA Strip and HAMAS: The Facts

[Procrustes Stretched]

2.3 million Gaza residents, half of them are children

In 2006, Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and assumed administrative control of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

When was the last time the residents of the GAZA got to vote on their leadership? HAMAS is a fearful, violent, terrifying organization who would severely punish and open dissent. But to justify killing hundreds of thousands of children some people say 'the residents should turn in HAMAS.'

Wave them all off - around 1 million children, as potential collateral damage.

Let's just get the facts, before we condemn all Palestinians in the GAZA Strip.

HAMAS is a terrorist organization, holding the Palestinians in the GAZA Strip hostage. Yet some people still want to blame them, in order to justify they all being collateral damage if necessary.

Everything listed above is an undeniable fact. Much based on posts here at usmb. Members are not running away from statements that back it up.

This thread is not supporting HAMAS.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Just like the Germans were behind their leader, Hitler, the Palestinians are behind their leader, Hamas.

 

[Sixties Fan]

2.3 million Gaza residents, half of them are children

In 2006, Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and assumed administrative control of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

When was the last time the residents of the GAZA got to vote on their leadership? HAMAS is a fearful, violent, terrifying organization who would severely punish and open dissent. But to justify killing hundreds of thousands of children some people say 'the residents should turn in HAMAS.'

Wave them all off - around 1 million children, as potential collateral damage.

Let's just get the facts, before we condemn all Palestinians in the GAZA Strip.

HAMAS is a terrorist organization, holding the Palestinians in the GAZA Strip hostage. Yet some people still want to blame them, in order to justify they all being collateral damage if necessary.

Everything listed above is an undeniable fact. Much based on posts here at usmb. Members are not running away from statements that back it up.

This thread is not supporting HAMAS.

Dante, All in Gaza are fed an endless Buffett of :

1) The Jews are colonizers from Europe
2) Israel stole Palestinian land
3) All of Israel is Palestine (vide their maps)
4) Endless textbooks, programs, video, social media, summer camps which only tell on how evil the Jews are and that Jews must be killed and Palestine liberated.

5) They continue to be considered refugees by all the Jew haters of the world, via UNWRA which feeds this education and status quo.

6) It is only Hamas which is being targeted.

7) Hamas uses civilians as shield, including man of the adults and children being killed now.

8) Most Palestinians are leaving Gaza City as Israel has asked them to do. They are not going to be targeted, only Hamas.

9) No one, including me, is condemning the whole population. Only Hamas, its supporters, Islamic Jihad and their supporters. And the worthless education against Israel and Jews I referred to above.


Israel has a job to do. Do away with Hamas and that is what Israel is going to do.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Dante, All in Gaza are fed an endless Buffett of :

1) The Jews are colonizers from Europe
2) Israel stole Palestinian land
3) All of Israel is Palestine (vide their maps)
4) Endless textbooks, programs, video, social media, summer camps which only tell on how evil the Jews are and that Jews must be killed and Palestine liberated.

And?


Yet HAMAS does not have the full support for her actions. Many Palestinians in the GAZA know HAMAS is not their friend.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

5) They continue to be considered refugees by all the Jew haters of the world, via UNWRA which feeds this education and status quo.

6) It is only Hamas which is being targeted.

7) Hamas uses civilians as shield, including man of the adults and children being killed now.

8) Most Palestinians are leaving Gaza City as Israel has asked them to do. They are not going to be targeted, only Hamas.

9) No one, including me, is condemning the whole population. Only Hamas, its supporters, Islamic Jihad and their supporters. And the worthless education against Israel and Jews I referred to above.

This I don't get.

5) Denying the strip residents refugee status, is to belittle a population that suffers from all sides using them

6) Target HAMS, yet tell a Million people, half of them children, that unless they move they will be collateral damage?

7) And? We have all known this for ages. HAMAS took over the strip. No elections.

8) Israel has not ASKED anybody anything. They have said move or we kill you.

9) Wrong. Read posts here. Read stuff online elsewhere. Listen to what some people say on FOX and other news. Look at what some in Israel have said -- remember Kahane lives.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Israel has a job to do. Do away with Hamas and that is what Israel is going to do.

And this is what HAMAS wants Israel to try and do.

Looks to be a trap. One can only hope, Israeli leaders have a voice that tempers Netanyahu's insane and demented impulses.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Just like the Germans were behind their leader, Hitler, the Palestinians are behind their leader, Hamas.

What is so hateful about you is how you would see the Palestinian population in the GAZA Strip as somehow similar to the German population during the NAZI years.

You are known to ignore whatever you are responding to. You're merely motivated by hate. Must be something early onset at your age.

2.3 million Gaza residents, half of them are children

In 2006, Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and assumed administrative control of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

When was the last time the residents of the GAZA got to vote on their leadership? HAMAS is a fearful, violent, terrifying organization who would severely punish and open dissent. But to justify killing hundreds of thousands of children some people say 'the residents should turn in HAMAS.'

Wave them all off - around 1 million children, as potential collateral damage.

Let's just get the facts, before we condemn all Palestinians in the GAZA Strip.

HAMAS is a terrorist organization, holding the Palestinians in the GAZA Strip hostage. Yet some people still want to blame them, in order to justify they all being collateral damage if necessary.

Everything listed above is an undeniable fact. Much based on posts here at usmb. Members are not running away from statements that back it up.

This thread is not supporting HAMAS.

 

[The Irish Ram]

What is so hateful about you is how you would see the Palestinian population in the GAZA Strip as somehow similar to the German population during the NAZI years.

You are known to ignore whatever you are responding to. You're merely motivated by hate. Must be something early onset at your age.

The are remarkably similar. Both on a mission to kill every Jew on earth...
Me standing on the truth has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with knowing the correct history of the area.
You ignore the hatred that the Arabs have for the Jews and try to excuse their behavior as though the Arabs have some claim on Israeli land. The land wasn't stolen, it was given to the Jews by the owner, Great Britain...

WHERE ARE THE PALESTINIANS YOU KEEP REFERRING TO????

Do you see any? Even one? Where is this thriving metropolis of Arabs that you pretend was there?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The are remarkably similar. Both on a mission to kill every Jew on earth...

Nope. Many Palestinians do not hate Jews. There are Arabs, some of Palestinian lineage who are Israeli citizens.

I bet you're the type to have hated the peace accords in Northern Ireland.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This I don't get.

5) Denying the strip residents refugee status, is to belittle a population that suffers from all sides using them

6) Target HAMS, yet tell a Million people, half of them children, that unless they move they will be collateral damage?

7) And? We have all known this for ages. HAMAS took over the strip. No elections.

8) Israel has not ASKED anybody anything. They have said move or we kill you.

9) Wrong. Read posts here. Read stuff online elsewhere. Listen to what some people say on FOX and other news. Look at what some in Israel have said -- remember Kahane lives.

5). They are not refugees. The Muslim world keep Gaza, PA, the Arabs in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and Arabia who had to flee the 1948 war, either because their leaders told them to leave, or because they were expelled because they were attacking Israelis, cannot be kept with the Status of refugees forever.


No refugees in the world are denied citizenship in the countries where they go to.
Even Palestinians who are born in the US and elsewhere like the Hadid family are considering themselves refugees.


If all of these Arabs are still refugees, so are all of the Jewish refugees who were forced to leave the lands they lived in, be it Mesopotamia, TranJordan, Gaza, Syria, Iran, etc.


Refugee Status is not a forever status, it cannot be, but it is with Palestinians to use them as victims of the rebuilding of the Jewish Nation ON the Jewish homeland.

6) Are you seriously not aware that those children, 18 and under, are fed that the Jews stole their land and are even put though summer camps where they are trained to kill Jews?
Where do you think all of those Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters come from? Exactly from this lost generation which is fed lies about Jews like a cult. They are a cult.

7) There was an election in 2007 and the population chose Hamas.

8) Israel told innocent civilians to move because Israel's target is ONLY Hamas.
They do not want to see Palestinians used as body shields as Hamas usually does.


9) "9) No one, including me, is condemning the whole population. Only Hamas, its supporters, Islamic Jihad and their supporters. And the worthless education against Israel and Jews I referred to above."

How ignorant of you to bring Kahane. How ignorant of you to not know anything about Judaism and the Rule of War followed by the IDF.

A few saying does not the IDF War conduct change to appease some people who are angry.

The IDF has always conducted itself by what they signed with the Geneva Convention. They follow those rules created by the Geneva Convention.


Hamas, ISIS, Al Quaeda have not signed any Geneva Convention and they go by their own rules.

Hamas follows its charter which is the destruction of Israel. Which is why Palestinians are still considered to be refugees, with only about 3000 survivors of those who were made to leave their homes - by their leaders - and the education of hatred for Jews and Israel (purely Islamic in nature found in the Quran and other writings).



Hamas will be gone.
The learned hatred may not.
UNWRA has to be dismantled.
The population in Gaza and the PA and all other Muslim countries, their endless education and feeding against Jews all over the world must be changed once and for all.

Tall order, but how else is any of this going to end and Gaza finally become the Independent Palestinian State it was supposed to become in 2005 when all Jews were forced out of the small area they were in?

 

[Sixties Fan]

And this is what HAMAS wants Israel to try and do.

Looks to be a trap. One can only hope, Israeli leaders have a voice that tempers Netanyahu's insane and demented impulses.

Gratefully you are a nobody with just some blind opinion about people you do not give a darn about.

Israelis or Palestinians.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gratefully you are a nobody with just some blind opinion about people you do not give a darn about.

Israelis or Palestinians.

Triggered?

Not sure why.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

5). They are not refugees. The Muslim world keep Gaza, PA, the Arabs in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and Arabia who had to flee the 1948 war, either because their leaders told them to leave, or because they were expelled because they were attacking Israelis, cannot be kept with the Status of refugees forever.


No refugees in the world are denied citizenship in the countries where they go to.
Even Palestinians who are born in the US and elsewhere like the Hadid family are considering themselves refugees.


If all of these Arabs are still refugees, so are all of the Jewish refugees who were forced to leave the lands they lived in, be it Mesopotamia, TranJordan, Gaza, Syria, Iran, etc.


Refugee Status is not a forever status, it cannot be, but it is with Palestinians to use them as victims of the rebuilding of the Jewish Nation ON the Jewish homeland.

6) Are you seriously not aware that those children, 18 and under, are fed that the Jews stole their land and are even put though summer camps where they are trained to kill Jews?
Where do you think all of those Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters come from? Exactly from this lost generation which is fed lies about Jews like a cult. They are a cult.

7) There was an election in 2007 and the population chose Hamas.

8) Israel told innocent civilians to move because Israel's target is ONLY Hamas.
They do not want to see Palestinians used as body shields as Hamas usually does.


9) "9) No one, including me, is condemning the whole population. Only Hamas, its supporters, Islamic Jihad and their supporters. And the worthless education against Israel and Jews I referred to above."

How ignorant of you to bring Kahane. How ignorant of you to not know anything about Judaism and the Rule of War followed by the IDF.

A few saying does not the IDF War conduct change to appease some people who are angry.

The IDF has always conducted itself by what they signed with the Geneva Convention. They follow those rules created by the Geneva Convention.


Hamas, ISIS, Al Quaeda have not signed any Geneva Convention and they go by their own rules.

Hamas follows its charter which is the destruction of Israel. Which is why Palestinians are still considered to be refugees, with only about 3000 survivors of those who were made to leave their homes - by their leaders - and the education of hatred for Jews and Israel (purely Islamic in nature found in the Quran and other writings).



Hamas will be gone.
The learned hatred may not.
UNWRA has to be dismantled.
The population in Gaza and the PA and all other Muslim countries, their endless education and feeding against Jews all over the world must be changed once and for all.

Tall order, but how else is any of this going to end and Gaza finally become the Independent Palestinian State it was supposed to become in 2005 when all Jews were forced out of the small area they were in?

Okay, you hate all Arabs. We get it. Just don't drag the rest of the world into your hateful crusade.

And Israel is afraid of Iran. Fucked up shit. Go over there and help them fight. Leave us normal Americans alone and out of it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Dantes, did Clemens hate the Arabs too? Or was he just into telling the truth of the matter:

Throughout Innocents Abroad, Twain explicitly states that the area was desolate and devoid of inhabitants. His group entered Palestine from the north, passing through such sites as the Sea of Galilee, the Banias, Nazareth, Jenin and Nablus.Riding on horseback through the Jezreel Valley, Twain observed, “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles, hereabouts, and not see 10 human beings.”He continues, “Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince... Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land? “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Okay, you hate all Arabs. We get it. Just don't drag the rest of the world into your hateful crusade.

And Israel is afraid of Iran. Fucked up shit. Go over there and help them fight. Leave us normal Americans alone and out of it.

Your stupid responses again. Get educated and stop slandering people around the forums.

Israel is not afraid of Iran. It is more than ready for Iran, and Hezbollah and Hamas which are acting FOR Iran with Iran's help.

Pay attention !!!!

Oh, it is about leaving America out of it.


Worthless human being you have shown yourself to be.


We are all warned about you, now.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Triggered?

Not sure why.

Teaching you the facts. Which you are incapable of processing.

Call it trigger, use any worthless word you like


Again, you have proven that you are not about the population in Gaza.

You know nothing about the history, do not care, and care less about those who do.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

UNWRA has to be dismantled.
The population in Gaza and the PA and all other Muslim countries, their endless education and feeding against Jews all over the world must be changed once and for all.

Tall order, but how else is any of this going to end and Gaza finally become the Independent Palestinian State it was supposed to become in 2005 when all Jews were forced out of the small area they were in?

Was it ever supposed to become “an Independent Palestinian State”? I for one don’t believe that at all.

For a long time now the Zionist state has needed Hamas, and has wanted a backward Muslim religious group like Hamas leading the Gaza Strip to both discredit Palestinian national aspirations and to disrupt unity with the PLO in the West Bank.

See my OP:

The End of the Netanyahu doctrine?

I think this author — a well known & experienced Israeli “pro-peace” journalist — is too hopeful that there will be any substantial changes in “the Netanyahu Doctrine” or move back toward a “two-state” solution for Israel / Palestine. But he does explain why Netanyahu and the hard Zionist right...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Was it ever supposed to become “an Independent Palestinian State”? I for one don’t believe that at all.

Fora long time now the Zionist state has needed Hamas, and has wanted a backward Muslim religious group like Hamas leading the Gaza Strip to1) discredit Palestinian national aspirations and 2) to disrupt unity with the PLOin the West Bank.

See my OP:

“ Trump says Netanyahu not prepared for Hamas attack “

Whether it was supposed to become a separate state or not, Hamas chose to use the Millions or Billions sent to build Gaza to build Tunnels, rockets, summer camps where children are taught to kill Jews, etc.


There is a lot in Gaza to turn it into a wanted Tourist place for the whole world to want to come. Instead they have destroyed Roman history and any other history which is not Islamic which could have been used to attract tourists.

Trump has a beef with Netanyahu because Netanyahu did the right thing and congratulated Biden for winning the 2020 election.

Trump feels "betrayed".

Whatever Trump thinks is worthless.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sixties Fan said: 5). They are not refugees.
Sixties is right, Dante is wrong.

When the Arabs that left Israel, at the behest of Egypt, and were then denied admission into Egypt, they squatted on the Israeli side of the border. THEY WERE NOT REFUGEES. Their evacuation from Israel was self imposed.
In order to keep them from starving to death, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency overlooked their criteria for refugees, (since the squatters didn't meet the requirements for aid, because 1. they were not forced from their homes by Israel, and 2. they had not lived in Israel for at least 2 or more years!!!) and gave them aid.

April 27th 1950 The Arab National Committee memorandum:
" THE REMOVAL OF THE ARAB INHABITANTS WAS VOLUNTARY AND CARRIED OUT AT OUR REQUEST. THE MOTIVATION FOR ARABS TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES CAME FROM ARAB LEADERSHIP, NOT THE JEWS."

Dante can't handle the truth...

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And?


Yet HAMAS does not have the full support for her actions. Many Palestinians in the GAZA know HAMAS is not their friend.

Yet, like I said... Palestinians showed massive support to HAMAS by showing up by the 1000s in the streets to cheer them dragging bodies in the streets.
They may not all support HAMAS, but many do. And many more are sympathetic, and many more are anti-sematic to the max.
FEW Palestinians are interested in co existing with Jews. The minority. Not the majority.