Palestinians Hold The Key To Their Own Future

[Phoenall]

My only condemnation of Israel is over Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Who else ever made peace offerings to Palestinians, built a security fence & conceeded land to them so they can stay? Want peace from Palestinians? Treat them with the same love, justice & respect the surrounding Arab countries give them.

Par for the course for a racist.

HUH??? Do you actually approve of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians? I sure as hell don.t.

Do you mean when they released them from the cages in gaza and the west bank that their fellow muslims had locked them in. Then gave them running water, homes, hospitals, schools and mosques.

 

[Phoenall]

You don't approve of Israel's murdering of thousands of Palestinian civilians, including 500 children on a regular basis? Have you gotten soft?

By your silence we take it that you approve of the arab muslims mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians including tens of thousands of children on a regular basis.

 

[Phoenall]

It is impossible that any Arab was called a Palestinian prior to birth of Israel - actually closer to 1960 as Arafat had not been trained by the Russian school (for propaganda, subversive techniques) Baleshinka until about 1960 and that was when the strategy of calling themselves Palestinians came up. Someone told me about that - the information came from a former States Department guy in the know - could not say who it was but it does not matter - bottom line is it was a strategy to undermine the rights of Jews to their own land.

The original inhabitants of the land were Caanites and they were pagans. That was over 4,000 years ago - since then the land belonged to Israel leaving out her time of exile. They are home now to stay. This is it.

Just goes to show how pervasive the Zionist propaganda is. This poster is convinced that "It is impossible that any Arab was called a Palestinian prior to the birth of Israel...."

Source documentation contradicts the Zionist propaganda in question, as the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London were calling themselves the people of Palestine at least in 1922. The former "States Department" guy in the know" was apparently not in the know, or it is a fabrication by the poster. BTW it is the 'State Department" not the "States Department". Needless to say, the poster is full of crap.

Excerpt of letter from the Palestine Delegation to Parliament:

"Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

February 21st, 1922.

Sir,

We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine..............Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable. If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration".

- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

I missed the word "Palestinian". Where is it?

If I were to write a letter addressing all people living inside Saudi Arabia I would say to the people of Saudi Arabia - which would be anyone living in the vicinity at the time - not necessarily from there but there at the time - as I understand it the people of Palestine were the Jews back in 1922 - there were Jews living there - so that is how I would interpret it.

But as the link confirms, the Jews were represented by the Zionist Organization, not the People of Palestine, who were the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. Nice try bozo.

And once again you deny the Jews of Palestine their rights, hoping that no one would see your RACIST TRAIT.

So who did the LoN say were to get the land left after giving the majority to the arab muslims. Now you greedy SOB's want it all because you cant stand seeing anyone better than you

The Jews (Zionists) were from Europe, not Palestine and they were represented by the Zionist Organization based in Switzerland, I think Basel, at the time.

The Europeans were given the majority of the land while numbering less than half of the population of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

So where did the Jews of Hebron and Jerusalem come from in 1929 when the grand mufti organised the mass murders of Jews. Then where did the Jews come from that owned most of Jerusalem under Ottoman rule. You really should stop posting when you are this far behind

 

[Phoenall]

It is impossible that any Arab was called a Palestinian prior to birth of Israel - actually closer to 1960 as Arafat had not been trained by the Russian school (for propaganda, subversive techniques) Baleshinka until about 1960 and that was when the strategy of calling themselves Palestinians came up. Someone told me about that - the information came from a former States Department guy in the know - could not say who it was but it does not matter - bottom line is it was a strategy to undermine the rights of Jews to their own land.

The original inhabitants of the land were Caanites and they were pagans. That was over 4,000 years ago - since then the land belonged to Israel leaving out her time of exile. They are home now to stay. This is it.

Just goes to show how pervasive the Zionist propaganda is. This poster is convinced that "It is impossible that any Arab was called a Palestinian prior to the birth of Israel...."

Source documentation contradicts the Zionist propaganda in question, as the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London were calling themselves the people of Palestine at least in 1922. The former "States Department" guy in the know" was apparently not in the know, or it is a fabrication by the poster. BTW it is the 'State Department" not the "States Department". Needless to say, the poster is full of crap.

Excerpt of letter from the Palestine Delegation to Parliament:

"Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

February 21st, 1922.

Sir,

We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine..............Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable. If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration".

- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

I missed the word "Palestinian". Where is it?

If I were to write a letter addressing all people living inside Saudi Arabia I would say to the people of Saudi Arabia - which would be anyone living in the vicinity at the time - not necessarily from there but there at the time - as I understand it the people of Palestine were the Jews back in 1922 - there were Jews living there - so that is how I would interpret it.

But as the link confirms, the Jews were represented by the Zionist Organization, not the People of Palestine, who were the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. Nice try bozo.

And once again you deny the Jews of Palestine their rights, hoping that no one would see your RACIST TRAIT.

So who did the LoN say were to get the land left after giving the majority to the arab muslims. Now you greedy SOB's want it all because you cant stand seeing anyone better than you

The Jews (Zionists) were from Europe, not Palestine and they were represented by the Zionist Organization based in Switzerland, I think Basel, at the time.

The Europeans were given the majority of the land while numbering less than half of the population of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Once again you deny the Jews the rights you are claiming for the arab muslim invaders, The Jews were there from before the arab muslims knew the place existed.

The JEWS OWN PALESTINE UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW and you cant alter it

 

[Phoenall]

No. He wants Israel returned to the Jews and everyone else to vacate and that is exactly the same feelings I have on the matter. It's Jewish state and it belongs to the Jews.

Let me add this to my own belief about Israel - which is holy ground. These other religions, buildings, mosques, Roman Catholic Churches / offices/ ministries, etc does not belong there, Monte. I want them all out of there. Like yesterday.

I do not want to see any Arab person exterminated. I'd like to see all of them saved, happy, living in peace in their own lands. Just not Israel. I'm four square with the Ezra company. They have to leave - they don't belong there - they never belonged there. The Jews should have done it after the 6 day war but they didn't.

The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the people of Palestine. The Jews are Europeans. The European Jews do not belong in Palestine, they belong in Europe where they and their ancestors came from. I don't want the European Jews hurt in any way. But they should return to where they came from. Spain has already offered to accept them, the rest of Europe will do the same.

Can we have a link that shows there were no indigenous Jews in Palestine from 1099 till 1875 then Abdul, because that is what you have just claimed is the case.

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

The facts that show you are only looking at ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA and not at the true events. You leave out or ignore any details that go against your POV

 

[abu afak]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

 

[Phoenall]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

And yet another proper source document that destroys abduls claims

 

[montelatici]

Just goes to show how pervasive the Zionist propaganda is. This poster is convinced that "It is impossible that any Arab was called a Palestinian prior to the birth of Israel...."

Source documentation contradicts the Zionist propaganda in question, as the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London were calling themselves the people of Palestine at least in 1922. The former "States Department" guy in the know" was apparently not in the know, or it is a fabrication by the poster. BTW it is the 'State Department" not the "States Department". Needless to say, the poster is full of crap.

Excerpt of letter from the Palestine Delegation to Parliament:

"Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

February 21st, 1922.

Sir,

We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine..............Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable. If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration".

- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

I missed the word "Palestinian". Where is it?

If I were to write a letter addressing all people living inside Saudi Arabia I would say to the people of Saudi Arabia - which would be anyone living in the vicinity at the time - not necessarily from there but there at the time - as I understand it the people of Palestine were the Jews back in 1922 - there were Jews living there - so that is how I would interpret it.

But as the link confirms, the Jews were represented by the Zionist Organization, not the People of Palestine, who were the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. Nice try bozo.

And once again you deny the Jews of Palestine their rights, hoping that no one would see your RACIST TRAIT.

So who did the LoN say were to get the land left after giving the majority to the arab muslims. Now you greedy SOB's want it all because you cant stand seeing anyone better than you

The Jews (Zionists) were from Europe, not Palestine and they were represented by the Zionist Organization based in Switzerland, I think Basel, at the time.

The Europeans were given the majority of the land while numbering less than half of the population of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

So where did the Jews of Hebron and Jerusalem come from in 1929 when the grand mufti organised the mass murders of Jews. Then where did the Jews come from that owned most of Jerusalem under Ottoman rule. You really should stop posting when you are this far behind

Warsaw?

 

[montelatici]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

Testimony Magazine???? A Christian Zionist magazine.

Let's instead use source documentation, such as the initial report to the League of Nations by the Mandatory.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[Phoenall]

I missed the word "Palestinian". Where is it?

If I were to write a letter addressing all people living inside Saudi Arabia I would say to the people of Saudi Arabia - which would be anyone living in the vicinity at the time - not necessarily from there but there at the time - as I understand it the people of Palestine were the Jews back in 1922 - there were Jews living there - so that is how I would interpret it.

But as the link confirms, the Jews were represented by the Zionist Organization, not the People of Palestine, who were the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. Nice try bozo.

And once again you deny the Jews of Palestine their rights, hoping that no one would see your RACIST TRAIT.

So who did the LoN say were to get the land left after giving the majority to the arab muslims. Now you greedy SOB's want it all because you cant stand seeing anyone better than you

The Jews (Zionists) were from Europe, not Palestine and they were represented by the Zionist Organization based in Switzerland, I think Basel, at the time.

The Europeans were given the majority of the land while numbering less than half of the population of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

So where did the Jews of Hebron and Jerusalem come from in 1929 when the grand mufti organised the mass murders of Jews. Then where did the Jews come from that owned most of Jerusalem under Ottoman rule. You really should stop posting when you are this far behind

Warsaw?

Then explain these facts from this source document


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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm

 

[abu afak]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

Testimony Magazine???? A Christian Zionist magazine.

Let's instead use source documentation, such as the initial report to the League of Nations by the Mandatory.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report o

Um..
BOTH Of My Sources used the OTTOMAN Censuses of 1844, 1876, and 1905 which are NOT in dispute.
Including Catholic Encylopedia, which you Ignored.

You are an Arabist SPAMMER, incapable of debate, merely/endlessly Posting PalestinKian letters from Unispal, the PalestinKian division of the UN.

You have NOT answered ANYTHING.

Faisal Weizman?
NOPE
It DESTROYED your whole premise.
The debate ENDED.
'Palestine' was to be the JEWISH State.
`

 

[montelatici]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

Testimony Magazine???? A Christian Zionist magazine.

Let's instead use source documentation, such as the initial report to the League of Nations by the Mandatory.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report o

Um..
BOTH Of My Sources used the OTTOMAN Censuses of 1844, 1876, and 1905 which are NOT in dispute.
Including Catholic Encylopedia, which you Ignored.

You are an Arabist SPAMMER, incapable of debate, merely/endlessly Posting PalestinKian letters from Unispal, the PalestinKian division of the UN.

You have NOT answered ANYTHING.

Faisal Weizman?
NOPE
It DESTROYED your whole premise.
The debate ENDED.
'Palestine' was to be the JEWISH State.
`

The Catholic Encyclopedia only mentions the 1905 census, which is believable as the European Zionists had been flooding into Palestine since the mid 1800s. You also forgot to include "the rest of the story" with respect to the Catholic Encyclopedia citation:

"The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkishcensus of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures: Jews, 45,000;Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites,úCopts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly half the present population."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

Hoisted by your own petard. Half the population was in newly built suburbs to house the new Jewish colonists. LOL

As far as the Christian Zionist magazine citation, well, it's not worth discussing.

As far as Palestine to be a separate Jewish state. The British denied this in writing several times. Here is one example:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project British White Paper of June 1922

I guess we can see who the propagandist is.

 

[Phoenall]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

Testimony Magazine???? A Christian Zionist magazine.

Let's instead use source documentation, such as the initial report to the League of Nations by the Mandatory.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report o

Um..
BOTH Of My Sources used the OTTOMAN Censuses of 1844, 1876, and 1905 which are NOT in dispute.
Including Catholic Encylopedia, which you Ignored.

You are an Arabist SPAMMER, incapable of debate, merely/endlessly Posting PalestinKian letters from Unispal, the PalestinKian division of the UN.

You have NOT answered ANYTHING.

Faisal Weizman?
NOPE
It DESTROYED your whole premise.
The debate ENDED.
'Palestine' was to be the JEWISH State.
`

The Catholic Encyclopedia only mentions the 1905 census, which is believable as the European Zionists had been flooding into Palestine since the mid 1800s. You also forgot to include "the rest of the story" with respect to the Catholic Encyclopedia citation:

"The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkishcensus of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures: Jews, 45,000;Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites,úCopts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly half the present population."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

Hoisted by your own petard. Half the population was in newly built suburbs to house the new Jewish colonists. LOL

As far as the Christian Zionist magazine citation, well, it's not worth discussing.

As far as Palestine to be a separate Jewish state. The British denied this in writing several times. Here is one example:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project British White Paper of June 1922

I guess we can see who the propagandist is.

Invited by the legal land owners to migrate and settle, do you want to know why Abdul ?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

No. He wants Israel returned to the Jews and everyone else to vacate and that is exactly the same feelings I have on the matter. It's Jewish state and it belongs to the Jews.

Let me add this to my own belief about Israel - which is holy ground. These other religions, buildings, mosques, Roman Catholic Churches / offices/ ministries, etc does not belong there, Monte. I want them all out of there. Like yesterday.

I do not want to see any Arab person exterminated. I'd like to see all of them saved, happy, living in peace in their own lands. Just not Israel. I'm four square with the Ezra company. They have to leave - they don't belong there - they never belonged there. The Jews should have done it after the 6 day war but they didn't.

The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the people of Palestine. The Jews are Europeans. The European Jews do not belong in Palestine, they belong in Europe where they and their ancestors came from. I don't want the European Jews hurt in any way. But they should return to where they came from. Spain has already offered to accept them, the rest of Europe will do the same.

That is propaganda and you should not believe it. The Jews ancestors moved to Europe for a time but they are making Aliyah back to Israel and more will in the days ahead now that Bibi has called for this.
Any Christians that you are referencing here - calling themselves Palestinian Christians - that are making themselves enemies of the Jews and Israel are enemies of Jesus Christ and will find themselves in hell over it. The Muslim people are lost. They need salvation in Christ. That is what I pray for. There is no salvation in Mohammad. Mohammad didn't die on a cross for anyone's sins. Jesus did. If you do not come to God through Jesus Christ you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. That is the truth. Please share it with others.

Jesus was a jew. Jews taught the world about a single god. God made a covenant with the jews. The prophets were jews.
Why must one go through Jesus to find god? God is supposed to be in all things and all mankind.
All path lead to god in the end.
If Jesus died for the sins of mankind, not just those that believe in Jesus as "the son" of God, then we should all be without sin. We are all the children of god, but it took more than 300 yrs before the church agreed that Jesus was divine. That no path but though Jesus could lead to god. So what happened to all those who believed in the one god during that time? What happened to all those from the time of Abraham, Jacob and Issac?
Jesus was sentenced to the cross for being a threat to the king, for being a threat to rome, not because he was the son of god. The actions of Jesus put him on the cross.
If god is a good and loving god then all his children no matter the sin or path they take should be welcomed into god's loving arms.
With 7 billion people in the world, how can there be only one path?
Perhaps the path is as simple as "do what you want but harm none" or "do unto other as you would have them do unto you", or some variation? Golden rule in some form exists in almost every culture going back some 2000 yrs before Jesus.
So how can it be the truth that there is only the one path through Jesus? How can there be only one church that is right when there are more than 30,000 different denominations of christianity? How can there be only one right faith when jews and muslim supposedly believe in the same god? How do you even know what is right when there were some 200 gospels/books left out of the bible codex? When there are so many differing bibles since the time of Jesus, which one is the most valid?
How do you know when the other 7 billion think that they too know their own truth as the right one? How do you know more than the rest of the planet?

Jesus is God, Aris. There is only One God. Jesus Christ is God. See John 1:1 There is only one way. Jesus Christ is the Way. He is the Truth. He is the Life. No man comes to the Father except through the Son. Jesus Christ is the Way. There is only One way to heaven. Through Jesus Christ.

How do I know I'm right? I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and I know Him.

Furthermore,

I believe my King James Bible because it is the infallible Word of God. (not fallible man) I believe God. Not man.

 

[montelatici]

We know that there were just a "handful" of Jews in 1850 (reports to the League of Nations) and we know that in 1099 the Crusaders murdered, deported and banned Muslims and any Jews left (various sources). Do you have any other data points that aren't Hasbara inspired?

Hey Montelucia...
Never Caught your Response to the Faisal-Weizman agreement on Palestine/the JEWISH state?
instead of that Acknowledgement all we got was daily major Spamming of some complaining Arab letters in 1922 AS IF they proved anything.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm
`

Testimony Magazine???? A Christian Zionist magazine.

Let's instead use source documentation, such as the initial report to the League of Nations by the Mandatory.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report o

Um..
BOTH Of My Sources used the OTTOMAN Censuses of 1844, 1876, and 1905 which are NOT in dispute.
Including Catholic Encylopedia, which you Ignored.

You are an Arabist SPAMMER, incapable of debate, merely/endlessly Posting PalestinKian letters from Unispal, the PalestinKian division of the UN.

You have NOT answered ANYTHING.

Faisal Weizman?
NOPE
It DESTROYED your whole premise.
The debate ENDED.
'Palestine' was to be the JEWISH State.
`

The Catholic Encyclopedia only mentions the 1905 census, which is believable as the European Zionists had been flooding into Palestine since the mid 1800s. You also forgot to include "the rest of the story" with respect to the Catholic Encyclopedia citation:

"The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkishcensus of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures: Jews, 45,000;Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites,úCopts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly half the present population."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

Hoisted by your own petard. Half the population was in newly built suburbs to house the new Jewish colonists. LOL

As far as the Christian Zionist magazine citation, well, it's not worth discussing.

As far as Palestine to be a separate Jewish state. The British denied this in writing several times. Here is one example:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project British White Paper of June 1922

I guess we can see who the propagandist is.

Invited by the legal land owners to migrate and settle, do you want to know why Abdul ?

Non sequitur Phoney.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I don't agree with that,MJB. Because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. The people of Palestine were always known as the Jews. They have never called themselves Palestinians. The Arabs began calling themselves Palestinians some time after Israel was reborn in order to confuse the world into believing they had a claim to it. They don't.

Had the Jews recognized the moment - after the 6 day war - in which they took the Temple Mount and every single Arab fled - they would have realized that God's Word about coming into the land - still stood. Destroy the high places, tear down the altars of Baal! (Al Asqa Mosque) and drive out the inhabitants of the land! Not give your enemy (who has vowed to destroy you) control of the Temple Mount and let them dwell amongst you! It was a huge mistake. Can the LORD fix that? He not only can! He will!

Besides being a crazy fundamentalist, on the par with the worst of the Islamist crazies. You are full of shit.

The people of Palestine were Christians until the Byzantines were defeated and then many converted to Islam. Why would they call themselves Jews?

The Palestinians were calling themselves, in writing, the Palestinian People in the earliest negotiations with the British.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

"Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable. If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration". - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

I'm not going to argue with you. I have read your posts before, Montelatici and I disagree with you. That is all I have left to say.

 

[montelatici]

No. He wants Israel returned to the Jews and everyone else to vacate and that is exactly the same feelings I have on the matter. It's Jewish state and it belongs to the Jews.

Let me add this to my own belief about Israel - which is holy ground. These other religions, buildings, mosques, Roman Catholic Churches / offices/ ministries, etc does not belong there, Monte. I want them all out of there. Like yesterday.

I do not want to see any Arab person exterminated. I'd like to see all of them saved, happy, living in peace in their own lands. Just not Israel. I'm four square with the Ezra company. They have to leave - they don't belong there - they never belonged there. The Jews should have done it after the 6 day war but they didn't.

The Palestinian Christians and Muslims are the people of Palestine. The Jews are Europeans. The European Jews do not belong in Palestine, they belong in Europe where they and their ancestors came from. I don't want the European Jews hurt in any way. But they should return to where they came from. Spain has already offered to accept them, the rest of Europe will do the same.

That is propaganda and you should not believe it. The Jews ancestors moved to Europe for a time but they are making Aliyah back to Israel and more will in the days ahead now that Bibi has called for this.
Any Christians that you are referencing here - calling themselves Palestinian Christians - that are making themselves enemies of the Jews and Israel are enemies of Jesus Christ and will find themselves in hell over it. The Muslim people are lost. They need salvation in Christ. That is what I pray for. There is no salvation in Mohammad. Mohammad didn't die on a cross for anyone's sins. Jesus did. If you do not come to God through Jesus Christ you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. That is the truth. Please share it with others.

Jesus was a jew. Jews taught the world about a single god. God made a covenant with the jews. The prophets were jews.
Why must one go through Jesus to find god? God is supposed to be in all things and all mankind.
All path lead to god in the end.
If Jesus died for the sins of mankind, not just those that believe in Jesus as "the son" of God, then we should all be without sin. We are all the children of god, but it took more than 300 yrs before the church agreed that Jesus was divine. That no path but though Jesus could lead to god. So what happened to all those who believed in the one god during that time? What happened to all those from the time of Abraham, Jacob and Issac?
Jesus was sentenced to the cross for being a threat to the king, for being a threat to rome, not because he was the son of god. The actions of Jesus put him on the cross.
If god is a good and loving god then all his children no matter the sin or path they take should be welcomed into god's loving arms.
With 7 billion people in the world, how can there be only one path?
Perhaps the path is as simple as "do what you want but harm none" or "do unto other as you would have them do unto you", or some variation? Golden rule in some form exists in almost every culture going back some 2000 yrs before Jesus.
So how can it be the truth that there is only the one path through Jesus? How can there be only one church that is right when there are more than 30,000 different denominations of christianity? How can there be only one right faith when jews and muslim supposedly believe in the same god? How do you even know what is right when there were some 200 gospels/books left out of the bible codex? When there are so many differing bibles since the time of Jesus, which one is the most valid?
How do you know when the other 7 billion think that they too know their own truth as the right one? How do you know more than the rest of the planet?

Jesus is God, Aris. There is only One God. Jesus Christ is God. See John 1:1 There is only one way. Jesus Christ is the Way. He is the Truth. He is the Life. No man comes to the Father except through the Son. Jesus Christ is the Way. There is only One way to heaven. Through Jesus Christ.

How do I know I'm right? I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and I know Him.

Furthermore,

I believe my King James Bible because it is the infallible Word of God. (not fallible man) I believe God. Not man.

Oh dear. I guess the Zionists will take any sort of ally.

 

[montelatici]

I don't agree with that,MJB. Because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. The people of Palestine were always known as the Jews. They have never called themselves Palestinians. The Arabs began calling themselves Palestinians some time after Israel was reborn in order to confuse the world into believing they had a claim to it. They don't.

Had the Jews recognized the moment - after the 6 day war - in which they took the Temple Mount and every single Arab fled - they would have realized that God's Word about coming into the land - still stood. Destroy the high places, tear down the altars of Baal! (Al Asqa Mosque) and drive out the inhabitants of the land! Not give your enemy (who has vowed to destroy you) control of the Temple Mount and let them dwell amongst you! It was a huge mistake. Can the LORD fix that? He not only can! He will!

Besides being a crazy fundamentalist, on the par with the worst of the Islamist crazies. You are full of shit.

The people of Palestine were Christians until the Byzantines were defeated and then many converted to Islam. Why would they call themselves Jews?

The Palestinians were calling themselves, in writing, the Palestinian People in the earliest negotiations with the British.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

"Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable. If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration". - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

I'm not going to argue with you. I have read your posts before, Montelatici and I disagree with you. That is all I have left to say.

There is nothing to argue about. You can disagree all you want with me, but you can't disagree with the facts.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Neither can you. They reveal that you are wrong. Still. There is really nothing left to say because you are not going to admit this and I can not agree with you when I know what you believe is not the truth. I feel compassion for you. Monte, because I do believe that YOU believe you're right. Only the LORD can reveal the truth to you. If you should desire to know it.

This is my last post on this thread now. Bye.

 

[montelatici]

Neither can you. They reveal that you are wrong. Still. There is really nothing left to say because you are not going to admit this and I can not agree with you when I know what you believe is not the truth. I feel compassion for you. Monte, because I do believe that YOU believe you're right. Only the LORD can reveal the truth to you. If you should desire to know it.

This is my last post on this thread now. Bye.

The facts are exactly as I stated and provided source documentation for. All you can claim is that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ who you claim told you different. I am sure he was kidding, as he knows the facts and, I am sure he would support his followers, the Christian Palestinians, rather than the Jews. In fact, you are a bit of a traitor to us Christians, now that I think about it.