'Palestinian'

[rylah]

Interesting, why do Palestinians choose their representatives to be of certain elite Arabian tribes?

 

[rylah]

al-Masri (Arabic: المصري‎‎) or el-Masri is Arabic for "Egyptian" or "the Egyptian"

Munib al-Masri (left) and HAMAS Prime minister Ismail Hanneyah (right)



Munib Rashid al-Masri (Arabic: منيب المصري‎‎), also known as the "Duke of Nablus", "the Godfather",[1] and the "Palestinian Rothschild"[2](b. 1934), is a Palestinian industrialist, statesman, and patriarch of the al-Masri family, currently serving as chairman of the Edgo Group, a multinational energy and engineering conglomerate, and of PADICO, a holding company which controls thirty-five companies spanning industries as diverse as telecommunications, construction, tourism, energy, banking and other finance, and agriculture.[3] al-Masri is widely described as the world's richest Palestinian,[4][5][6] with personal holdings that reportedly account for a third of the Palestinian economy.[7]

al-Masri (left) with Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas

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Not saying al-Masri's are all terrorists but for reference on that clan:

Abu Ayyub al-Masri - Wikipedia

 

[montelatici]

Interesting, why do Palestinians choose their representatives to be of certain elite Arabian tribes?

Because they are not Arabian tribes. They are Levantines. Just as the Nassers, the Habbash,the Sunnunu, the Ashrawi, etc. Who happen to be Christians. LOL

 

[Hollie]

What's to conclude? That the Palestinians were subjected to colonialism and now occupation? Everyone that's a neutral knows that.

You don't yet seem to be able to comprehend that the Arab-Moslem squatters were themselves colonists.

 

[rylah]

Let's look:

Interesting, why do Palestinians choose their representatives to be of certain elite Arabian tribes?

Because they are not Arabian tribes. They are Levantines. Just as the Nassers, the Habbash,the Sunnunu, the Ashrawi, etc. Who happen to be Christians. LOL

Well You said so - it must be real. Nahhh

Let's take a deeper look:
Gamal Abdel Nasser - an Egyptian president
Chris Sununu, John E. Sununu and John H. Sununu - are all in the US govt. not Palestine.

John E. is the Governor of New Hampshire and John H. was the WH Chief of Staff under George Bush.

So much for "Palestinian elected representatives" so far...
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Dr. Mahmoud Habbash, Supreme Sharia Judge in the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s advisor on religious and Islamic affairs.

Al-Habash was an ancient region in the Horn of Africa. Situated in the northern highlands of modern-day Eritrea and Ethiopia,[1] it was inhabited by the Habash or Abyssinians, who were the forebears of the Habesha people.[2]


But does it contradict the fact tribes and hamullah's (clans of families) among Palestinians are still stronger than modern political structures?
Tribalism is alive and kicking in th Arab world.

 

[rylah]

Dalal Mughrabi (Arabic: دلال المغربي‎‎, Dalāl al-Muɣrabī; c. 1959 – 11 March 1978) was a Palestinian militant who was a member of the Fatah faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and participated in the 1978 Coastal Road massacre in Israel. The attack resulted in the death of 38 Israeli civilians, including 13 children.
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Maghrebis or Maghrebians are the native inhabitants of the Maghreb in Northwest Africa. Maghrebis were known in medieval times as Moors. This ethnocultural group was autochthonous to the Greater Maghreb and the western part of the Islamic world, an area stretching from Tunisia to Spain.[11] The term Moor is derived from Mauri, the name given by the Romans to the Berber inhabitants of northern Morocco and Algeria.

 

[rylah]

The Bosnian Palestinians aka 'Bushnaks', the Ridwan clan was among the most prominent rulers of Gaza:


Ri̊ḍwān Pas̲h̲a

, a 10th/16th-century Ottoman beylerbeyi (governor) of Yemen largely responsible for the collapse of Ottoman authority there during 974-6/1566-8. He was the son of Muṣṭafā Pas̲h̲a Ḳara S̲h̲āhīn [q.v.], a previous governor of Yemen (963-7/1556-60), and the brother of Bahrām Pas̲h̲a, a later one (977-83/1570-5). When appointed to Yemen in Rabīʿ- II 972/November 1564, he was sand̲j̲aḳ beyi of G̲h̲azza.

Ri̊ḍwān Pas̲h̲a - Brill Reference

"Behram Pasha's father,Kara Sahin Mustafa Pasha (d.1564), was a Bosnian recruited through the divesirme who served as a governor of Yemen..."

The Image of an Ottoman City

 

[rylah]

From the infamous far-left Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper pro-Palestinians like to quote:

"The field that was being worked by the Israeli tractor is owned by the Bushnak family, from Nablus. It has leased the field for decades to residents of Akrabeh and Yanun. In the past two years, the farmers say, Israelis have prevented them from planting wheat in this plot, as they have traditionally done.

The origins of the Bushnak families that live in Palestine are in Bosnia. They were Muslim soldiers who were brought here to reinforce the Turkish army at the end of the 19th century and settled in various places in the country, including Yanun. Although they were not originally from one family, they adopted a common surname that attests to their extraction. When they moved to Nablus from Yanun, they leased their land to the residents of Akrabeh, who gradually began to leave their village and settle in the wadi, the plateau and the hill of Yanun. Payment for leasing the land could be made in the form of wheat, olive oil or cash. About three-quarters of Yanun's 16,000 dunams (4,000 acres) of land is leased."

It's the pits

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Isn't Palestine derived from Philistine?

The earliest mention of the Land as Palestine (probably in reference to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles who invaded the southern coast of the Land in the 2nd half of the 12th Century BCE) is by the Greek historian Herodotus in the 5th Century BCE.
In contrast, one of the earliest mention of the Land as Israel can be found four hundred years earlier in the 9th Century BCE archaeological find the Mesha Stele commissioned by the king of Moab (present-day Jordan) which mentions Israel and a king of Israel, namely, Omri. The Mesha Stele aka Moabite Stone is housed at The Louvre in Paris, France.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Most Jews live in the US, so I guess Israel is not needed right?

Guy, get a clue. Most Jews live in Israel.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

 

[Challenger]

Most Jews live in the US, so I guess Israel is not needed right?

Guy, get a clue. Most Jews live in Israel.

Take your own advice. If the world's Jewish population is 14.2 million and only 6.4 million live in the Zionist Paradise, most Jewish people live anywhere but Zionist Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

It is clear that the Hasbara brainwashing has been effective on the American morons.

From 1922, how many times do the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London (in 1922) have to call themselves the People of Palestine?

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:




PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
To be purchased directly from H.M. STATIONERY OFFICE, at the
following address:
Adastra House, Kingsway, London, W.C. 2; 120, George Street, Edinburgh:
York Street, Manchester; 1, St. Andre's Crescent, Cardiff;
15, Donegall Square West, Belfast; or through any Bookseller


1922.
[Reprinted 1929]
Price 1s. od.net.

[Cmd. 1700.]
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—


https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

It is clear that the Hasbara brainwashing has been effective on the American morons.

From 1922, how many times do the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London (in 1922) have to call themselves the People of Palestine?

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:




PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
To be purchased directly from H.M. STATIONERY OFFICE, at the
following address:
Adastra House, Kingsway, London, W.C. 2; 120, George Street, Edinburgh:
York Street, Manchester; 1, St. Andre's Crescent, Cardiff;
15, Donegall Square West, Belfast; or through any Bookseller


1922.
[Reprinted 1929]
Price 1s. od.net.

[Cmd. 1700.]
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—


https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE

And besides, they were the same people no matter the name.

 

[abu afak]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

EVEN Resolutioin 242 - of 1967 - does Not mention 'Palestinians!' Only refers to 'refugees.'

There was No 'palestine' from 1948-1967 as Arabs didn't buy that made up crap. Jordan had annexed the rejected state during that period.
Israel won the territories from Jordan, not Palestink.
!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

EVEN Resolutioin 242 - of 1967 - does Not mention 'Palestinians!' Only refers to 'refugees.'

There was No 'palestine' from 1948-1967 as Arabs didn't buy that made up crap. Jordan had annexed the rejected state during that period.
Israel won the territories from Jordan, not Palestink.
!

Since it is illegal to annex occupied territory, Jordan could not annex the West Bank. It remained occupied Palestinian territory. It is still occupied Palestinian territory.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

EVEN Resolutioin 242 - of 1967 - does Not mention 'Palestinians!' Only refers to 'refugees.'

There was No 'palestine' from 1948-1967 as Arabs didn't buy that made up crap. Jordan had annexed the rejected state during that period.
Israel won the territories from Jordan, not Palestink.
!

Since it is illegal to annex occupied territory, Jordan could not annex the West Bank. It remained occupied Palestinian territory. It is still occupied Palestinian territory.

You haven't answered the question of why Resolution 242 refers to those Arabs as refugees and not as Palestinians. Hint: Because the Palestinian nationality had not emerged yet. Even the Palestinian flag is a rip-off of Jordan's flag. They are one people.

 

[rylah]

Even UNGA resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) doesn't call the Arabs "Palestinians" but simply Arabs. That body would not call the Arabs "Palestinians" until 1970.

It is clear that the Hasbara brainwashing has been effective on the American morons.

From 1922, how many times do the Christians and Muslims of the Palestinian Delegation to London (in 1922) have to call themselves the People of Palestine?

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:




PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
To be purchased directly from H.M. STATIONERY OFFICE, at the
following address:
Adastra House, Kingsway, London, W.C. 2; 120, George Street, Edinburgh:
York Street, Manchester; 1, St. Andre's Crescent, Cardiff;
15, Donegall Square West, Belfast; or through any Bookseller


1922.
[Reprinted 1929]
Price 1s. od.net.

[Cmd. 1700.]
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—


UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

But initially "the people of Palestine" identified as Syrians.
Just 3 years prior to the delegation the Palestine Arab Congress stated this:

1 . "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds. "

3. "In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection."

First Palestinian Arab Congress

The key here is to understand the use of the word 'Arab' in all those documents, as in 'Arab Syria' and 'Palestine Arab delegation'.
No 'Palestinian' nationalism until many decades later.

 

[rylah]

The poster child of Palestine - Ahed Tamimi

The tribe of Banu Tamim (Arabic: بـنـو تـمـيـم‎‎) or Bani Tamim (Arabic: بـني تـمـيـم‎‎) is one of the main tribes of Arabia.

Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as Saudi

Arabia, Egypt,[1][2]Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.


Dynasties

• The Aghlabid dynasty
• The Al Thani, ruling family of Qatar. (See House of Thani)
• The Al ash-Sheikh family of the Grand Muftis of the Emirate of Diriyah, then the Emirate of Najd and now modern day Saudi Arabia (Religious Dynasty).

 

[P F Tinmore]

The poster child of Palestine - Ahed Tamimi

The tribe of Banu Tamim (Arabic: بـنـو تـمـيـم‎‎) or Bani Tamim (Arabic: بـني تـمـيـم‎‎) is one of the main tribes of Arabia.

Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as Saudi

Arabia, Egypt,[1][2]Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.


Dynasties

• 
  
  
  • The Aghlabid dynasty
  • The Al Thani, ruling family of Qatar. (See House of Thani)
  • The Al ash-Sheikh family of the Grand Muftis of the Emirate of Diriyah, then the Emirate of Najd and now modern day Saudi Arabia (Religious Dynasty).

My family is from England, Scotland, and Germany. Does that mean I am not American?