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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
 
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Free Palestine: Susan Abulhawa and Khaled Barakat Speak

 
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Palestine - Jeremy Corbyn & Mustafa Barghouti in Conversation

 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
Already addressed it twice,
and it totally contradicts the demand for an Arab state.

If you really had a point you would have said it by now,
but I think you realize well that your prepise is wrong,
every excuse you use to exclude Jews, excludes Arabs.

Following your argument:

Arabs weren't the first,
Arabs weren't the only,
Palestine was never an Arab state

Arabs didn't manage to expel all the natives,
their majority wasn't created by peaceful means,
but the Jewish community had continuous presence for 3,500 years.

So who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
Already addressed it twice,
and it totally contradicts the demand for an Arab state.

If you really had a point you would have said it by now,
but I think you realize well that your prepise is wrong,
every excuse you use to exclude Jews, excludes Arabs.

Following your argument:

Arabs weren't the first,
Arabs weren't the only,
Palestine was never an Arab state

Arabs didn't manage to expel all the natives,
their majority wasn't created by peaceful means,
but the Jewish community had continuous presence for 3,500 years.

So who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Still ducking.

When did all of the natives leave to be replaced by Arabs?
 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
Already addressed it twice,
and it totally contradicts the demand for an Arab state.

If you really had a point you would have said it by now,
but I think you realize well that your prepise is wrong,
every excuse you use to exclude Jews, excludes Arabs.

Following your argument:

Arabs weren't the first,
Arabs weren't the only,
Palestine was never an Arab state

Arabs didn't manage to expel all the natives,
their majority wasn't created by peaceful means,
but the Jewish community had continuous presence for 3,500 years.

So who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Still ducking.

When did all of the natives leave to be replaced by Arabs?

We adressed that, Arabs didn't manage to replace all the natives,
the Jewish community remained continuously in the land for 3,500 years.

So again, how does your question excuses Arab colonialism,
who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
Already addressed it twice,
and it totally contradicts the demand for an Arab state.

If you really had a point you would have said it by now,
but I think you realize well that your prepise is wrong,
every excuse you use to exclude Jews, excludes Arabs.

Following your argument:

Arabs weren't the first,
Arabs weren't the only,
Palestine was never an Arab state

Arabs didn't manage to expel all the natives,
their majority wasn't created by peaceful means,
but the Jewish community had continuous presence for 3,500 years.

So who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Still ducking.

When did all of the natives leave to be replaced by Arabs?

We adressed that, Arabs didn't manage to replace all the natives,
the Jewish community remained continuously in the land for 3,500 years.

So again, how does your question excuses Arab colonialism,
who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Did the Arabs throw everybody out or are they mostly the same people who have lived there forever?

Here are your so called Arabs.
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
You are ducking the question that will answer your question.
See, you don't have a direct answer.
After 10 years of posting radical anti-Israel propaganda,
you're surprisingly hesitant to answer a simpe question about your core premise.

That's the point, all the answers to your questions
emphasize exactly the reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The underying assumption of the first argument you introduced - that Jews shouldn't deserve a state, because supposedly they weren't the first, the only, or that there supposedly wasn't a Jewish state, actually point to the specific reasons why an Arab state would be illegitimate.

The rationalization you've made in defense of that - that Arab didn't expel all the natives -
again play against the legitimacy of the Arab claim, and in favor of Israel.

Lastly you ask "who said Palestine was for grabs" - and I'm saying just listen to yourself,
that's exactly why every reason you give for excluding Jews directly leads to excluding Arabs.

So let me rephrase my question -
do you really think there's an argument for the exclusion of Jews,
that doesn't result in both the exclusion of Arabs?
Still dancing around the question, huh?
Already addressed it twice,
and it totally contradicts the demand for an Arab state.

If you really had a point you would have said it by now,
but I think you realize well that your prepise is wrong,
every excuse you use to exclude Jews, excludes Arabs.

Following your argument:

Arabs weren't the first,
Arabs weren't the only,
Palestine was never an Arab state

Arabs didn't manage to expel all the natives,
their majority wasn't created by peaceful means,
but the Jewish community had continuous presence for 3,500 years.

So who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Still ducking.

When did all of the natives leave to be replaced by Arabs?

We adressed that, Arabs didn't manage to replace all the natives,
the Jewish community remained continuously in the land for 3,500 years.

So again, how does your question excuses Arab colonialism,
who says Arabs deserve to grab Palestine and demand it becomes an Arab state?
Did the Arabs throw everybody out or are they mostly the same people who have lived there forever?

Here are your so called Arabs.
The question is self contradicting.

Look at American colonialism, Indians remained only 1.6%
Look at Arab collonialism, Jews remained but 3%

Obviously, we're talking about Arab invaders expelling the natives,
therefore by definition Arabs cannot be the "people who lived there forever".

The absurdity of that claim is self evident when:

1. Arabs cannot pronounce the name of the land
2. Most popular Arab surnames bear names of foreign countries
3. Arabs themselves and their leaders openly tell of their foreign origin


But what is even more absurd, is that while claiming to oppose colonialism,
you're using the exact collonialist methods of replacing the native population.

What would you say if someone used a picture of random Americans to claim -
"these people lived forever in Milwaukee", to justify exclusion and boycott of Indians?

So how can BDS be a legitimate anti-collonial movement
when you're promoting Arab collonialism?
 
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