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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
Can you cut and paste a YouTube video identifying what cities were actually lost?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
 
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The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Book Launch with Rashid Khalidi

 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.


So how come, after 10 years of daily posting radically against Israel,
you still can't conistently explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
 
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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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BLUF: While there is bound to be an example (or two) wherein a Benevolent Imperial Power granted "statehood" to a territory that functioned as a controlled single unit, within a hierarchical structure consisting of many territories, without some sort of add value expectation Empire, it certainly was the exception to the rule.

In the case of Palestine
(the territory formerly under the Mandate), the question of "statehood" was NOT a reward. Nor was the territorial break-up and partitioning of former Ottoman territories a punishment.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.
So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
(COMMENT)

While the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan emerged as first a British Protectorate (1921) and then Independent (1946) there were definite motivations (political, economic, commercial, and diplomatic). But it was not a totally benevolent move on the part of the British Empire. And, it was the fulfillment of a long in coming promise in exchange for the Irregular Forces and other positive contributions used in The Great War to Defeat the Ottoman Empire. The Arabs of Palestine were on the opposite side of the equation.
Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, former Captain in the Ottoman Army, who got religion and became the Mufti of Jerusalem. Amin al-Husseini later became the President of the Egyptian assembled All Palestine Government (APG). Similarly, Ahmed Hilmi Pasha, former General Officer in the Ottoman Army, became the Premier of the APG. The APG attempted to claim sovereignty over the entire territory formerly under the Mandate, which included the complete partition of the Jewish State.

(∑Ω)

Certainly, the Arabs of Palestine, on the side opposing the Allied Forces in both World Wars were anything other than deserving. I would like the hear what the pro-Arab Palestinian Camp has to say about what the Arab Palestinians deserving of anything.

Personally, I don't think that the events more than half-century-old are justification for anything. I think of the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s) moving forward are what counts.

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
 
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The APG attempted to claim sovereignty over the entire territory formerly under the Mandate, which included the complete partition of the Jewish State.
What partition?
 

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Jews were always present in the land, continuously for 3,500 years.
So were a lot of other people. What is your point?
There's no other nation beside Jews that had 3,500 years of civilization in this land,
it actually really flourished only when Jews governed independently.
Other nations built monuments of conquest, but didn't really,
develop anything culturally distinct or flurished themselves.

But again, even if this was the opposite, this still doesn't justify,
why of all people Jews don't deserve independence.

My point is that all of the excuses you give,
as to rationalalize why Jews should be excluded from that right, actually lead to the opposite conclusion. And even if your premise was correct, and by your category it justifies eliminating the Jewish state, then by the very same category it invalidates the demand for an Arab state.

So how about instead of mindlessly repeating stuff that doesn't add up,
explain - why do you think Arabs deserve a state more than Jews?
This doesn't explain why Arabs deserve a state more than Jews,
in fact it doesn't address that at all.

It was you who tried to justify the demand for an Arab state,
by the fact that they didn't mange to wipe out all the locals.

So if you claim Arabs deserve a state according to that category,
the Jews sure do, not only did they didn't expell all the Arabs fighting for independence,
in fact since the re-constitution of the Jewish, their population grew sevenfold,
among whom many prefer Israeli rule to anything they see in the Arab world.

Again you defy your own definitions,
there's nothing Arabs didn't do that you accuse the Israelis.

So why the double standards?
You're missing the point.
Indeed I'm missing the point here,
because you're not addressing my question.

So why do you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?

None of your responses explain why Arabs deserve a state more than others.
And there's no crime you accuse Israel that Arabs are not guilty of.

In fact, when following your definitions consistently,
Arabs deserve to be boycotted.
Who said that Palestine was up for grabs?
Those who call for an Arab state in Palestine, it never was one,
and even Arabs themselves call it the 'desert of the Jews':

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: صحراء يهودا‎ Sahraa' Yahuda) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley.


Q. So how does this explain why you think Arabs deserve a state and Jews don't?
You're deflecting.
Only if I missed the answer to the question you've been ducking.

Was there an explantion as to why you assume Arabs deserve a state while Jews don't?
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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the entire territory formerly under the Mandate,
Do you ever use the term former Mandate when talking about Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, or Jordan?
(COMMENT)

All of those territories are "territories formerly under" one of the Mandates.

When I talked about the Franco-British Convention/Treaty I was talking about "The boundaries between the territories under the French mandate of Syria and the Lebanon on the one hand and the British mandates of Mesopotamia and Palestine." They are boundaries in a former context.

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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This is what makes you so challenging. Everyone else in the discussion group knows exactly what Partition we are discussing. Only you

The APG attempted to claim sovereignty over the entire territory formerly under the Mandate, which included the complete partition of the Jewish State.
What partition?
(ANSWER)
Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and end of the British Mandate . . . . . . 7

UN Map 4153 OCT 2000.png

And don't comeback with that same nonsense, the Plan was never executed. The portion pertaining to Israel (The Jewish State) was according to the UN Palestine Commission.
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Most Respectfully,
R
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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the entire territory formerly under the Mandate,
Do you ever use the term former Mandate when talking about Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, or Jordan?
(COMMENT)

All of those territories are "territories formerly under" one of the Mandates.

When I talked about the Franco-British Convention/Treaty I was talking about "The boundaries between the territories under the French mandate of Syria and the Lebanon on the one hand and the British mandates of Mesopotamia and Palestine." They are boundaries in a former context.

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R
Indeed, but you won't say it.
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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This is what makes you so challenging. Everyone else in the discussion group knows exactly what Partition we are discussing. Only you

The APG attempted to claim sovereignty over the entire territory formerly under the Mandate, which included the complete partition of the Jewish State.
What partition?
(ANSWER)
Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and end of the British Mandate . . . . . . 7
And don't comeback with that same nonsense, the Plan was never executed. The portion pertaining to Israel (The Jewish State) was according to the UN Palestine Commission.
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R
Oh, you are talking about the one that flopped.
 

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