Palestinian Authority seeks ICC war crimes case against Israel

[pbel]

Say wut?

Did you use some American wierd phrase?

I don't know what that means.

Don't mind Toddster, he might be a Fairy.

 

[R.C. Christian]

A result of Israel's failed propaganda effort.

But, Hamas and their constituency are calling the kettle black a little here.

 

[Lipush]

pbel, et al,

This will be interesting.


(COMMENT)

It will be interesting to see what the ICC says in terms of "jurisdiction" and "effective control."

Is "Palestine" really a "state?" If it is --- who has control of the state?

Yes this will be interesting.

Most Respectfully,
R

In the name of whom they'll sue? the Palestinian government is currently Hamas, and if "Palestine" will go against Israel in Hamas' behalf it will create a very ironic situation.

Not to mention, the authorities now say we (southerner Israelis) have the ability to sue Hamas back for damages and loses.

Can't wait to see where this is going.

Why don't you do an Abbot and Costello skit of Whose on first and Whats on second and trample the facts?

Eh?!

 

[Beelzebub]

All nations threaten each other on the basis of just being there. So attacking just because they are threatened would be a breach of what is permitted.

Hamas has never been a credible threat to Israel. They at best have an ability to make Israel hurt when it attacks. If Israel was about defence it would not have caused the escalation over the false pretext of the murdered hitchhikers.

Israel has also been casually killing civilian Palestinians every month, probably every week and sometimes daily for a decade or more. To claim that Hamas is the aggressor is to fly in the face of reality.

As to attacking "because of the tunnels" Israel has confessed it barely knew about the tunnel system, so that is about as credible as US excuses for invading Iraq after they had to admit the claim about WMD's was false.

Finally, there is a test of both proportionality and of due care.
Israel was not only massively disproportional in its attacks, but was at the very least careless in its targeting and used inappropriate weapons for shooting at a civilian population.

You can test this by asking: "If there were cells of terrorists operating out of Jewish areas, would the IDF have used the same tactics, weaponry, and had the same proportion of civilian deaths?"

So its a slam dunk. Israel was either careless of civilian lives, property and utilities, or purposely destroyed them.

All that is aside from the groups of captured civilians or militants that the IDF rounded up and murdered as prisoners in closed off rooms.

 

[proudveteran06]

RoccoR is one of the most informative, civilized and gentle posters on this board.

Many of the pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian posters around here, at many times, were left dumbfounded when crossed with his well based, clean from incitements, sources.

You stating he's a nazi is rude and offending, and shows you have very little idea about who to pounce and who to listen to.

Don't make fun of yourself any longer and apologize to him while you're at it.

He's a Rude Crude Asshole. Hamas is the Agressor ! Rockets have been increasing since 2005 and since Hamas took over it has increased dramatically . All the Money they were given for Schools and Hospitals went instead to Underground Tunnels .

 

[Beelzebub]

RoccoR is one of the most informative, civilized and gentle posters on this board.

Many of the pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian posters around here, at many times, were left dumbfounded when crossed with his well based, clean from incitements, sources.

You stating he's a nazi is rude and offending, and shows you have very little idea about who to pounce and who to listen to.

Don't make fun of yourself any longer and apologize to him while you're at it.

He's a Rude Crude Asshole. Hamas is the Agressor ! Rockets have been increasing since 2005 and since Hamas took over it has increased dramatically . All the Money they were given for Schools and Hospitals went instead to Underground Tunnels .

No he is not!
He has his faults but as Lipush says, he is very polite.

I am not sure of his religion, but you should still not use it as a pejorative.
Shame on you PV!

 

[toastman]

RoccoR is one of the most informative, civilized and gentle posters on this board.

Many of the pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian posters around here, at many times, were left dumbfounded when crossed with his well based, clean from incitements, sources.

You stating he's a nazi is rude and offending, and shows you have very little idea about who to pounce and who to listen to.

Don't make fun of yourself any longer and apologize to him while you're at it.

Politely supporting fascism is still supporting fascism.
Are flames allowed here or not?

He's not supporting fascism little boy. The fact that you call Rocco a Nazi out of all posters heres really does show us all how incredibly immature you.

It's no surprise why you rep meter is all red.

Grow up, and look up certain words that are too big for you in the dictionary before you post them, Palestinian shill

 

[Billo_Really]

RoccoR is one of the most informative, civilized and gentle posters on this board.

Many of the pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian posters around here, at many times, were left dumbfounded when crossed with his well based, clean from incitements, sources.

You stating he's a nazi is rude and offending, and shows you have very little idea about who to pounce and who to listen to.

Don't make fun of yourself any longer and apologize to him while you're at it.

Oh shut-up!

He try's to put lipstick on a pig by defending Israeli aggression and crimes against humanity.

It's like saying, "Hitler was a victim of bad PR!"

 

[RoccoR]

Beelzebub, et al,

Some weak logic here.

All nations threaten each other on the basis of just being there. So attacking just because they are threatened would be a breach of what is permitted.

(COMMENT)

Well in this case, we are generally talking about "the first use of armed force by a hostile opponent." This is merely one kind of threat HAMAS has demonstrated over the last decade.

This is not including the many other suicide attacks, bombing, kidnappings and murder, just to mention a few. The use of underground tunnels to breach Israeli sovereignty presents a new dimension to the threat.

Hamas has never been a credible threat to Israel. They at best have an ability to make Israel hurt when it attacks. If Israel was about defence it would not have caused the escalation over the false pretext of the murdered hitchhikers.

(COMMENT)

I don't believe it was the cause or a pretext for the invasion. While the event certainly inflamed the citizenry, it wasn't just additional evidence for the need to seek-out and engage the overall threat.

Israel has also been casually killing civilian Palestinians every month, probably every week and sometimes daily for a decade or more. To claim that Hamas is the aggressor is to fly in the face of reality.

(COMMENT)

Israel has been forced to neutralize Palestinian threats "every month, probably every week and sometimes daily for a decade or more." If there were no threats to neutralize, there would be no casualties. It is a peace dependent situation.

As to attacking "because of the tunnels" Israel has confessed it barely knew about the tunnel system, so that is about as credible as US excuses for invading Iraq after they had to admit the claim about WMD's was false.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between not knowing the extent and complexity of the tunnel network and knowing that there must be tunnels.

Finally, there is a test of both proportionality and of due care.
Israel was not only massively disproportional in its attacks, but was at the very least careless in its targeting and used inappropriate weapons for shooting at a civilian population.

You can test this by asking: "If there were cells of terrorists operating out of Jewish areas, would the IDF have used the same tactics, weaponry, and had the same proportion of civilian deaths?"

So its a slam dunk. Israel was either careless of civilian lives, property and utilities, or purposely destroyed them.

(COMMENT)

First, Rule 14 (Proportionality in Attack) has nothing to do with the number of casualties suffered in an engagement. It has to do with the concrete and direct military advantage the IDF anticipates given the objective and military force applied. The IDF does not takeout the entire grid square to neutralize a target that can be suppressed or destroyed with a few reasonably placed detonations or surgically dropped munitions. But even a few surgical engagements will not be casualty free. The greater the population density is from which HAMAS hides and fights (Rule 97 Human Shields), the greater the expectation of casualties.

All that is aside from the groups of captured civilians or militants that the IDF rounded up and murdered as prisoners in closed off rooms.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I even know what this means. I assume you are accusing the IDF of mass murder. I can assure you that the IDF follows the POW rules for combatants and extends all the necessary protections to civilian detainees. There are no "rounded up and murders" of anyone in IDF custody.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SAYIT]

All nations threaten each other on the basis of just being there. So attacking just because they are threatened would be a breach of what is permitted.

Hamas has never been a credible threat to Israel. They at best have an ability to make Israel hurt when it attacks. If Israel was about defence it would not have caused the escalation over the false pretext of the murdered hitchhikers.

Israel has also been casually killing civilian Palestinians every month, probably every week and sometimes daily for a decade or more. To claim that Hamas is the aggressor is to fly in the face of reality.

As to attacking "because of the tunnels" Israel has confessed it barely knew about the tunnel system, so that is about as credible as US excuses for invading Iraq after they had to admit the claim about WMD's was false.

Finally, there is a test of both proportionality and of due care.
Israel was not only massively disproportional in its attacks, but was at the very least careless in its targeting and used inappropriate weapons for shooting at a civilian population.

You can test this by asking: "If there were cells of terrorists operating out of Jewish areas, would the IDF have used the same tactics, weaponry, and had the same proportion of civilian deaths?"

So its a slam dunk. Israel was either careless of civilian lives, property and utilities, or purposely destroyed them.

All that is aside from the groups of captured civilians or militants that the IDF rounded up and murdered as prisoners in closed off rooms.

Any chance you will ever post links which support that camel crap?

 

[aris2chat]

Hamas would be guilty of crimes and it would be the question of which came first the chicken or the egg. It would be the same if you consider just last week or back to the beginning of time.
No value in creating more animosity pointing fingers over the past rather than seek to move forward to peace from this moment on.
Israel has videos of the firing of rocket and of munitions hidden in UN facilities. As crass as it might sound, fifty rocket that could be fired at Israel vs combatants and innocent on the street outside the building. Each rocket has the potential of killing several civilians.
The world hardly blinks when 60 or so civilians are killed deliberately, civilians that have been without water, food and services for far longer than the gazans. Massacres, beheadings, crucifixions, cannibalism, chemical weapons....... displaced half the population and millions in refugee camps greatly underfunded.
To compare the proportion of civilians to combatants in other wars to the lower numbers in gaza shows that effort is made by Israel to keep the numbers low.
Hamas has been quoted that the sacrifice of civilians means less than life does to Israel.
A mentally and physically disabled man was chained to a roof as a human shield. IDF found the man, cut his chains and cared for him. The elderly who need help walking are made to stay behind in building that are likely to be targeted to up the death count. IDF rescued several and took them for care in Israel. The young, weak, sick are just potential body counts to accuse Israel of killing. Even their own handbooks and instruction manuals speak of using human shields rather than minimize the death counts.
It is a PR war against Israel far more than a strategic military war.

 

[Barb]

Israel bombs first and then weeps

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keS-LDl_ewA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keS-LDl_ewA[/ame]

Spot on, including the reminder that Israel created Hamas to divide Palestine.

 

[Beelzebub]

There are few so good in the use of the English language, as the Irish.

 

[Beelzebub]

Just watched the whole thing through Barb.

Excellent speaker!

It makes me Proud To Be Irish!
Even though I am not.

 

[Lipush]

RoccoR is one of the most informative, civilized and gentle posters on this board.

Many of the pro-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian posters around here, at many times, were left dumbfounded when crossed with his well based, clean from incitements, sources.

You stating he's a nazi is rude and offending, and shows you have very little idea about who to pounce and who to listen to.

Don't make fun of yourself any longer and apologize to him while you're at it.

Oh shut-up!

He try's to put lipstick on a pig by defending Israeli aggression and crimes against humanity.

It's like saying, "Hitler was a victim of bad PR!"

Coming from your mouth, insults are like blessings.

 

[Lipush]

Israel bombs first and then weeps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keS-LDl_ewA

Spot on, including the reminder that Israel created Hamas to divide Palestine.

Hamas fires rockets then weeps when we give it its own ass on a plate.

 

[Barb]

There are few so good in the use of the English language, as the Irish.

True story

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the name of whom they'll sue? the Palestinian government is currently Hamas, and if "Palestine" will go against Israel in Hamas' behalf it will create a very ironic situation.

Not to mention, the authorities now say we (southerner Israelis) have the ability to sue Hamas back for damages and loses.

Can't wait to see where this is going.

Why don't you do an Abbot and Costello skit of Whose on first and Whats on second and trample the facts?

Eh?!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg]Abbott & Costello Who's On First - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

In any event, the Resistance Movement is the aggressor once its activities threaten beyond its borders.

Are you still pimping that propaganda?

You know there is no border around Gaza.

 

[docmauser1]

In any event, the Resistance Movement is the aggressor once its activities threaten beyond its borders.

Are you still pimping that propaganda? You know there is no border around Gaza.

We know! All arab states, surrounding Israel, have no borders! hehe