RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
Does she have any standing as a displaced Arab Palestinian refugee with any claim to a "Right of Return" into Israeli Sovereign Territory?
What fraud?
(ANSWER)
She was never displaced from either the sovereign territory or the territories formerly occupied by the Jordanians. This is true of nearly 85% to 90% (maybe even more) of the Arab Palestinians attempting to claim they have some right to return.
Most Respectfully,
R
You are grasping at straws. You are trying to obfuscate the issues. I hear regularly of a Palestinian whose father or grandfather owned a shop or farm in 48 and they cannot inherit it. It was stolen by the state. One woman, and I can't recall her name, inherited a farm in Gaza but Israel will not allow her into Gaza to claim her inheritance. (And Israel lies about no longer occupying Gaza.)
Land ownership is not the criteria to be a citizen. Someone who owns a farm in Iowa, or rents an apartment in NYC, or is homeless in LA have the same right to country.
Where people are born does not not change that right to country. Ted Cruz was born in Canada. John McCain was born in Panama. Yet both were American and could run for president.
You just spend too much time on Israeli talking points.
How bout this for grasping at straws Tinmore: Right of return will NEVER HAPPEN ....
Now how about dem apples ??
He can’t stand the fact that Israel exists. Ever see one of his infamous You Tube Videos where HASIDIC Jews and Hamas are dancing because they BOTH agreed Israel doesn’t have the Right to Exist?
Before posting ; does it Honestly make sense that the most religious sector of the Jewish faith would object to a Jewish State and if they did what’s the reason?
He’s too stupid and full of bigotry and hate to even consider asking the question
Ahi,
I don't understand how You think constantly bringing up the 4 "Hassidic Jews" who beside meeting with Hamas, Ahmadinijad and some ridiculous media stunts in a district hearing, for years have remained irrelevant even for the media, as if they were actually representing Hassidic Judaism, let alone how it serves Your love for Israel.
I don't expect any integrity from P F Tinmore, he's a pathological liar and a traitor of his nation.
But whenever You repeat that libel, even if You think ridicules it, in effect further serves his racist bigotry.
Let me clarify something - I've studied in a Hassidic Yeshivah, and unlike me, my uncle attended there 2 additional years to study electronics for the IDF service, and went from there straight to Nahal Haredi.
The Yeshivah was in an old hotel building, and when empty during the summer, Rabbi Grossman shlit"a would accommodate entire companies (military units of 150-300 soldiers) there at a time, feed them, invite musicians, and scribes so that every soldier actually participates in writing and owns a letter in a Torah scroll.
Let me tell You another thing - the first Zionists were Hassidim and students of the Hagra, they built the first villages that later became among the largest central cities in Israel...take Petah Tikvah as just one example. The first chief Rabbi of Israel, was from one of the main Hassidic dynasties in the world today.
I know this may sound ridiculous in light of all the prevalent disinformation, but Hassidim are more hardcore Zionists than Begin and Netanyahu combined. You think they'd allow anyone even dare utter words like "border negotiations" or assume any compromises on Eretz Yisrael when they become majority in the Knesset?
You know how many hours Breslevers spend on the ground during war, driving from unit to unit just to uplift their spirit?
It's getting too long, and I haven't even touched the surface, but I'll finish with just 3 additional facts:
those folk You constantly bring up to the conversation - were discommunicated even by the most fierce radically critical of the Zionism, all the Hassidic courts, no exception - they were decreed DIN RODEF,
for joining the worst enemies of the Jewish people as a whole (doesn't matter Zionist or not) who openly declare their intentions to murder Jews en mass. Basically they were decreed a death sentence, that is only prevented because the Sanhedrin, more than 2 millenia ago abandoned any such measures.
Even the Hassidic court to which they previously belonged, from which their group emerged excommunicated them. And Rabbi Teitelboim, the author of the central theological work against Zionism, his grandson visited just recently, got a king's accommodation in Israel, private train and all, came for the sole purpose of investing millions in the nation living in Zion.
And to conclude - I've voted for the Hassidic party in the recent elections, and I'm sure after couple of years that we've been on the board, You know my views well,
can You even imagine me "dancing with Hamas"??!
Please reconsider.
