Pain lingers for lesbian couple denied in Sweet Cakes case

[StLucieBengal]

If we had today's media back then WW2 would have been lost to the axis powers.

The Media today goes out of its way to not say anything about the perils of Islam for example.

as to discrimmination ....

If any business discriminates against you then there are several others lined up to take your money. Wouldn't you rather know if someone wanted to serve you or not?

 

[StLucieBengal]

And to add to you showing that the Russians did nothing to tamp down nazi support.

Communism is just another form of left wing facism.... Which is what the Nazi's were .... Left wing fascists.

Can't spell Nazi without socialist.

 

[JoeB131]

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

Honestly, you sound like you are bitter about that "one time in college"....

 

[Katzndogz]

So I just used this real life example to make my point that these "discrimmination" laws aren't necessary in today's america and you just ignore that point?

There is no need for the government to kill that business. When any business stops taking customers they risk losing their business in the long run. The market will weed out these businesses. Government doesn't need to kill people's livelihoods

Problem is that back in the day this didn't happen, did it? Bus companies didn't go out of business because blacks had to sit at the back. Diners didn't go out of business for discriminating against blacks.

In fact this bakery is probably doing better for the all the free advertising they're getting and all the bigoted Christians in the area are flocking to their hidden away bakery.

That's why govt is needed. To stop this ridiculousness.

You keep bringing up the past like it's even relevant. The business climate today vs the 1960's is quite different.

We have evolved and no longer need these discrimmination laws. Let's just try the constitution

The past is relevant. Yes, things are different, that doesn't stop it being relevant. Oh, right, yeah, got it, you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't help your case.

We don't need these discrimination laws? Are you serious? You can see the reaction of many towards other people that suggests as soon as you get rid of discrimination laws, they're going to discriminate to their hearts' content.

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

The thing is, not only do I know this, I know it works, and I can prove it.

Let's look at German, East German, West German and Austria. Three countries who in the 1930s and first half of the 1940s were Nazi. Let's make no mistake about this, the Hitler youth was a big part of kids' lives and all of that.

In 1945 Germany was divided into 4, and then Germany got Separated. Austria was also divided into 4 but the Russians didn't seem to care so much about Austria.

In the first few years after the end of the war, the Americans especially, but the British and French too, introduced a policy called "denazification", basically rooting out the bad guys, putting them on trial. They went through society, and tried to make society a better place.

The Russians didn't care. Anyone who would make a good Communist could be a good Communist.

The Austrians were told they were the victims. The West Germans however were guilty of all crimes. Forget that 40% of concentration camp commanders were Austrian, Hitler was from Austria and Austrians are quite right win in comparison with other countries.

Anyway.

The NDP is Germany's far right party.

This is their membership based on region. All those in the former East Germany are higher than those in the former West Germany. Berlin was in both.

This is a state election map, again, similar thing.

Why are there more neo-Nazis in a part of the country that was Communist? Well, mainly because the West Germans were brought up being educated in not being that.

Austria is quite right wing. However it's quite difficult to compare, however the far right lost, narrowly, the presidential election a few months back, and has contested it and will have another election. Half of people basically voted for them.

That certainly proved nothing. If anything at all, discrimination against Jews is as bad as ever. Except it's throughout Europe today.

 

[JoeB131]

If we had today's media back then WW2 would have been lost to the axis powers.

The Media today goes out of its way to not say anything about the perils of Islam for example.

Um, no, the Media goes out of its way to not make a war against a few thousand nuts into a war against 1/5 of the world's population.

Hey, did you catch that Muslim Dad on the DNC? The one whose Muslim son died in Iraq saving a platoon of soldiers from a suicide bomber?

 

[Katzndogz]

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

Honestly, you sound like you are bitter about that "one time in college"....

Read the article and then comment. What do the pervs say?

 

[JoeB131]

Read the article and then comment. What do the pervs say?

That a lot of bigots like you are making their lives miserable. But you bigots are still losing the war.

 

[Katzndogz]

Read the article and then comment. What do the pervs say?

That a lot of bigots like you are making their lives miserable. But you bigots are still losing the war.

Because you imagine that if people are punished badly enough for discrimination, the discrimination will go away. Not only does it not go away, but it makes understandable that what should be reprehensible. The cake incident was going on four years ago. The Kliens are making money off the publicity. The perv couple are struggling to stay alive. And, no one cares.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Problem is that back in the day this didn't happen, did it? Bus companies didn't go out of business because blacks had to sit at the back. Diners didn't go out of business for discriminating against blacks.

In fact this bakery is probably doing better for the all the free advertising they're getting and all the bigoted Christians in the area are flocking to their hidden away bakery.

That's why govt is needed. To stop this ridiculousness.

You keep bringing up the past like it's even relevant. The business climate today vs the 1960's is quite different.

We have evolved and no longer need these discrimmination laws. Let's just try the constitution

The past is relevant. Yes, things are different, that doesn't stop it being relevant. Oh, right, yeah, got it, you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't help your case.

We don't need these discrimination laws? Are you serious? You can see the reaction of many towards other people that suggests as soon as you get rid of discrimination laws, they're going to discriminate to their hearts' content.

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

The thing is, not only do I know this, I know it works, and I can prove it.

Let's look at German, East German, West German and Austria. Three countries who in the 1930s and first half of the 1940s were Nazi. Let's make no mistake about this, the Hitler youth was a big part of kids' lives and all of that.

In 1945 Germany was divided into 4, and then Germany got Separated. Austria was also divided into 4 but the Russians didn't seem to care so much about Austria.

In the first few years after the end of the war, the Americans especially, but the British and French too, introduced a policy called "denazification", basically rooting out the bad guys, putting them on trial. They went through society, and tried to make society a better place.

The Russians didn't care. Anyone who would make a good Communist could be a good Communist.

The Austrians were told they were the victims. The West Germans however were guilty of all crimes. Forget that 40% of concentration camp commanders were Austrian, Hitler was from Austria and Austrians are quite right win in comparison with other countries.

Anyway.

The NDP is Germany's far right party.

This is their membership based on region. All those in the former East Germany are higher than those in the former West Germany. Berlin was in both.

This is a state election map, again, similar thing.

Why are there more neo-Nazis in a part of the country that was Communist? Well, mainly because the West Germans were brought up being educated in not being that.

Austria is quite right wing. However it's quite difficult to compare, however the far right lost, narrowly, the presidential election a few months back, and has contested it and will have another election. Half of people basically voted for them.

That certainly proved nothing. If anything at all, discrimination against Jews is as bad as ever. Except it's throughout Europe today.

Well, if you want to understand Germany and Austria then you will see this as true. I've stated my case enough for you to find out the truth if you wish. If you wish to hide from the truth and go for your agenda I'm sure nothing I say will convince you of this.

I've lived in Germany and Austria, and I've see this for the case it is.

Discrimination exists. We're not talking discrimination, we're talking far right groups, people willing to vote for far right fascists. There are reasons, as I've stated, why the former West Germany is less likely to vote for them. You don't know why this is the case. You have no idea. I'm telling you, and yet you're rejecting this for no reason other than you can. That's not my problem. You can lead a horse to water......

 

[Katzndogz]

You keep bringing up the past like it's even relevant. The business climate today vs the 1960's is quite different.

We have evolved and no longer need these discrimmination laws. Let's just try the constitution

The past is relevant. Yes, things are different, that doesn't stop it being relevant. Oh, right, yeah, got it, you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't help your case.

We don't need these discrimination laws? Are you serious? You can see the reaction of many towards other people that suggests as soon as you get rid of discrimination laws, they're going to discriminate to their hearts' content.

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

The thing is, not only do I know this, I know it works, and I can prove it.

Let's look at German, East German, West German and Austria. Three countries who in the 1930s and first half of the 1940s were Nazi. Let's make no mistake about this, the Hitler youth was a big part of kids' lives and all of that.

In 1945 Germany was divided into 4, and then Germany got Separated. Austria was also divided into 4 but the Russians didn't seem to care so much about Austria.

In the first few years after the end of the war, the Americans especially, but the British and French too, introduced a policy called "denazification", basically rooting out the bad guys, putting them on trial. They went through society, and tried to make society a better place.

The Russians didn't care. Anyone who would make a good Communist could be a good Communist.

The Austrians were told they were the victims. The West Germans however were guilty of all crimes. Forget that 40% of concentration camp commanders were Austrian, Hitler was from Austria and Austrians are quite right win in comparison with other countries.

Anyway.

The NDP is Germany's far right party.

This is their membership based on region. All those in the former East Germany are higher than those in the former West Germany. Berlin was in both.

This is a state election map, again, similar thing.

Why are there more neo-Nazis in a part of the country that was Communist? Well, mainly because the West Germans were brought up being educated in not being that.

Austria is quite right wing. However it's quite difficult to compare, however the far right lost, narrowly, the presidential election a few months back, and has contested it and will have another election. Half of people basically voted for them.

That certainly proved nothing. If anything at all, discrimination against Jews is as bad as ever. Except it's throughout Europe today.

Well, if you want to understand Germany and Austria then you will see this as true. I've stated my case enough for you to find out the truth if you wish. If you wish to hide from the truth and go for your agenda I'm sure nothing I say will convince you of this.

I've lived in Germany and Austria, and I've see this for the case it is.

Discrimination exists. We're not talking discrimination, we're talking far right groups, people willing to vote for far right fascists. There are reasons, as I've stated, why the former West Germany is less likely to vote for them. You don't know why this is the case. You have no idea. I'm telling you, and yet you're rejecting this for no reason other than you can. That's not my problem. You can lead a horse to water......

You cannot punish people out of discrimination. You might make the harsher and more hidden but you can't make it go away. Surely this incident with these perverts having such a hard time for so long would give you a clue. When gays are beaten and killed yet no one cares. If they care, its the perv had it coming.

I cannot make you understand that instead of sympathy for gays, people are more inclined to be understanding of throwing them off buildings.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The past is relevant. Yes, things are different, that doesn't stop it being relevant. Oh, right, yeah, got it, you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't help your case.

We don't need these discrimination laws? Are you serious? You can see the reaction of many towards other people that suggests as soon as you get rid of discrimination laws, they're going to discriminate to their hearts' content.

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

The thing is, not only do I know this, I know it works, and I can prove it.

Let's look at German, East German, West German and Austria. Three countries who in the 1930s and first half of the 1940s were Nazi. Let's make no mistake about this, the Hitler youth was a big part of kids' lives and all of that.

In 1945 Germany was divided into 4, and then Germany got Separated. Austria was also divided into 4 but the Russians didn't seem to care so much about Austria.

In the first few years after the end of the war, the Americans especially, but the British and French too, introduced a policy called "denazification", basically rooting out the bad guys, putting them on trial. They went through society, and tried to make society a better place.

The Russians didn't care. Anyone who would make a good Communist could be a good Communist.

The Austrians were told they were the victims. The West Germans however were guilty of all crimes. Forget that 40% of concentration camp commanders were Austrian, Hitler was from Austria and Austrians are quite right win in comparison with other countries.

Anyway.

The NDP is Germany's far right party.

This is their membership based on region. All those in the former East Germany are higher than those in the former West Germany. Berlin was in both.

This is a state election map, again, similar thing.

Why are there more neo-Nazis in a part of the country that was Communist? Well, mainly because the West Germans were brought up being educated in not being that.

Austria is quite right wing. However it's quite difficult to compare, however the far right lost, narrowly, the presidential election a few months back, and has contested it and will have another election. Half of people basically voted for them.

That certainly proved nothing. If anything at all, discrimination against Jews is as bad as ever. Except it's throughout Europe today.

Well, if you want to understand Germany and Austria then you will see this as true. I've stated my case enough for you to find out the truth if you wish. If you wish to hide from the truth and go for your agenda I'm sure nothing I say will convince you of this.

I've lived in Germany and Austria, and I've see this for the case it is.

Discrimination exists. We're not talking discrimination, we're talking far right groups, people willing to vote for far right fascists. There are reasons, as I've stated, why the former West Germany is less likely to vote for them. You don't know why this is the case. You have no idea. I'm telling you, and yet you're rejecting this for no reason other than you can. That's not my problem. You can lead a horse to water......

You cannot punish people out of discrimination. You might make the harsher and more hidden but you can't make it go away. Surely this incident with these perverts having such a hard time for so long would give you a clue. When gays are beaten and killed yet no one cares. If they care, its the perv had it coming.

I cannot make you understand that instead of sympathy for gays, people are more inclined to be understanding of throwing them off buildings.

You have a choice of how you want society to be. The right seem to choose to have society as some kind of anarchy so the rich can get away with what they like. I've chosen to fight for a society which isn't anarchy, where people are educated in how to live in society, where people are punished if they break the rules society has set up.

Now, the right CLAIM that they favor a society which is like this, but they don't. They are willing to take away people's rights in order to have "security" but usually only on their terms. They want people who are breaking the law so they can be tough on them, they want people who have easy sex so they can demonize them. It's easy to sell to the rest of the people, have the pariahs out there, make them scapegoats (haven't they always, like the Jews?)

This is right wing politics. It's about simplifying things, making the environment right for right wing politics. And yet they demonize the left, like me, who stand up and say they a society which has a certain amount of order there (which they claim they want), only the left want it done in an intelligent manner (I don't claim to speak for all the left, or even most of it).

 

[Katzndogz]

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

The thing is, not only do I know this, I know it works, and I can prove it.

Let's look at German, East German, West German and Austria. Three countries who in the 1930s and first half of the 1940s were Nazi. Let's make no mistake about this, the Hitler youth was a big part of kids' lives and all of that.

In 1945 Germany was divided into 4, and then Germany got Separated. Austria was also divided into 4 but the Russians didn't seem to care so much about Austria.

In the first few years after the end of the war, the Americans especially, but the British and French too, introduced a policy called "denazification", basically rooting out the bad guys, putting them on trial. They went through society, and tried to make society a better place.

The Russians didn't care. Anyone who would make a good Communist could be a good Communist.

The Austrians were told they were the victims. The West Germans however were guilty of all crimes. Forget that 40% of concentration camp commanders were Austrian, Hitler was from Austria and Austrians are quite right win in comparison with other countries.

Anyway.

The NDP is Germany's far right party.

This is their membership based on region. All those in the former East Germany are higher than those in the former West Germany. Berlin was in both.

This is a state election map, again, similar thing.

Why are there more neo-Nazis in a part of the country that was Communist? Well, mainly because the West Germans were brought up being educated in not being that.

Austria is quite right wing. However it's quite difficult to compare, however the far right lost, narrowly, the presidential election a few months back, and has contested it and will have another election. Half of people basically voted for them.

That certainly proved nothing. If anything at all, discrimination against Jews is as bad as ever. Except it's throughout Europe today.

Well, if you want to understand Germany and Austria then you will see this as true. I've stated my case enough for you to find out the truth if you wish. If you wish to hide from the truth and go for your agenda I'm sure nothing I say will convince you of this.

I've lived in Germany and Austria, and I've see this for the case it is.

Discrimination exists. We're not talking discrimination, we're talking far right groups, people willing to vote for far right fascists. There are reasons, as I've stated, why the former West Germany is less likely to vote for them. You don't know why this is the case. You have no idea. I'm telling you, and yet you're rejecting this for no reason other than you can. That's not my problem. You can lead a horse to water......

You cannot punish people out of discrimination. You might make the harsher and more hidden but you can't make it go away. Surely this incident with these perverts having such a hard time for so long would give you a clue. When gays are beaten and killed yet no one cares. If they care, its the perv had it coming.

I cannot make you understand that instead of sympathy for gays, people are more inclined to be understanding of throwing them off buildings.

You have a choice of how you want society to be. The right seem to choose to have society as some kind of anarchy so the rich can get away with what they like. I've chosen to fight for a society which isn't anarchy, where people are educated in how to live in society, where people are punished if they break the rules society has set up.

Now, the right CLAIM that they favor a society which is like this, but they don't. They are willing to take away people's rights in order to have "security" but usually only on their terms. They want people who are breaking the law so they can be tough on them, they want people who have easy sex so they can demonize them. It's easy to sell to the rest of the people, have the pariahs out there, make them scapegoats (haven't they always, like the Jews?)

This is right wing politics. It's about simplifying things, making the environment right for right wing politics. And yet they demonize the left, like me, who stand up and say they a society which has a certain amount of order there (which they claim they want), only the left want it done in an intelligent manner (I don't claim to speak for all the left, or even most of it).

The right doesn't want your regimented society. I know for damn sure I don't.

No one is taking your rights away. You simply have no right to be liked or to good will from anyone. Are you really now switching off to somehow blame the rich for the rejection of degeneracy? The left wants a tightly regimented society that does not tolerate different opinions.

Now you know why I tossed two lezzies out. I didn't have a religious objection and never pretended to have one. I knew I had the right and the power to tell them to **** off and there was nothing they could do. It was a strike back for perverts being generally obnoxious. Maybe the answer isn't for vulnerable bakers and florists to fight. Maybe it's up to the ones who don't have these businesses to give pervs the bloody nose.

 

[StLucieBengal]

If we had today's media back then WW2 would have been lost to the axis powers.

The Media today goes out of its way to not say anything about the perils of Islam for example.

Um, no, the Media goes out of its way to not make a war against a few thousand nuts into a war against 1/5 of the world's population.

Hey, did you catch that Muslim Dad on the DNC? The one whose Muslim son died in Iraq saving a platoon of soldiers from a suicide bomber?

I did catch that dad who oppresses his wife by forcing that hood to be worn.

When did we start telling women what they can and can't wear?

Where are the feminists now?

 

[Conservative65]

The mistake you make is that you believe if the laws are punishing enough the discrimination will go away. Punish people enough and the discrimination turns to resentment and hatred.

The lesbos have learned this. In the article they state that they are concerned that their behavior has resulted in less sympathy, less compassion, less interest in perverts.
Let them suffer, die, suicide, they are an irritant.

Honestly, you sound like you are bitter about that "one time in college"....

Sounds to me, by the way you supports faggots, that it's a continuous thing for you.

 

[Conservative65]

Read the article and then comment. What do the pervs say?

That a lot of bigots like you are making their lives miserable. But you bigots are still losing the war.

Their choice to push their agenda caused the result. I hope it get worse for them.

 

[StLucieBengal]

There were multiple other bakers in that area that wanted the gays business. These gays just were interested in one thing .... To make a headline and hurt these Christians.

It's been quite clear that the other bakers who offered were direct competitors with sweet cakes and Their main competitor is the one who ginned up a media firestorm along with these gays.

Maybe there were. This isn't the point.

Firstly there are laws, and they're there for a reason. Some places have multiple bakeries, some places don't. You can't have one law for places with multiple bakeries and one law for places with just one.

So the law is that you can't discriminate on the basis of who you have sex with. That's the law, it's there for many reasons, and these people broke that law and they got their ass handed to them in court.

So I just used this real life example to make my point that these "discrimmination" laws aren't necessary in today's america and you just ignore that point?

There is no need for the government to kill that business. When any business stops taking customers they risk losing their business in the long run. The market will weed out these businesses. Government doesn't need to kill people's livelihoods

Problem is that back in the day this didn't happen, did it? Bus companies didn't go out of business because blacks had to sit at the back. Diners didn't go out of business for discriminating against blacks.

In fact this bakery is probably doing better for the all the free advertising they're getting and all the bigoted Christians in the area are flocking to their hidden away bakery.

That's why govt is needed. To stop this ridiculousness.

You keep bringing up the past like it's even relevant. The business climate today vs the 1960's is quite different.

We have evolved and no longer need these discrimmination laws. Let's just try the constitution

The past is relevant. Yes, things are different, that doesn't stop it being relevant. Oh, right, yeah, got it, you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't help your case.

We don't need these discrimination laws? Are you serious? You can see the reaction of many towards other people that suggests as soon as you get rid of discrimination laws, they're going to discriminate to their hearts' content.

So it's your contention that's it's not possible to learn not to discrimminate on a massive level?

So all the education is pointless and a waste of time? Since you contest that Nothing has changed from the 1960's to now.

 

[Katzndogz]

Nothing has really changed. There is an illusion of a veneer of change.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Nothing has really changed. There is an illusion of a veneer of change.

What a joke. The fact you can say that things have not changed from the 60's until now in regards to discrimmination is laughable.

 

[Katzndogz]

Nothing has really changed. There is an illusion of a veneer of change.

What a joke. The fact you can say that things have not changed from the 60's until now in regards to discrimmination is laughable.

It sure looks like it has. That's the veneer of change. Underneath, it's spreading and roiling hatred.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Nothing has really changed. There is an illusion of a veneer of change.

What a joke. The fact you can say that things have not changed from the 60's until now in regards to discrimmination is laughable.

It sure looks like it has. That's the veneer of change. Underneath, it's spreading and roiling hatred.

In the 60's women couldn't get a credit card.

There was separate but equal for blacks.

Interracial marriage was not allowed.

But yeah nothing has changed .... It's all a sham.