Oy! Those Crafty Jews!

[georgephillip]

Statistically, that definition is not reached by you or Greenwald.

What is the specific statistical definition of genocide you are alleging?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Yes, it does have a definition, but in your murderous Talmudic zeal you ignore that definition.

No, you are the one ignoring the definition. That's why you're moving the goalposts. That's why you're stretching things like evacuations to fit within a definition of genocide.

Evacuating people is the exact opposite of genocide. Evacuating people is the exact opposite of genocidal intent.

How is it genocide if you're evacuating people out of a war zone where they would otherwise die?

Israel shows more care for Palestinians than Palestinians even show themselves.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Objectively genocide is ongoing in the Levant

No, objectively it isn't.

Statistics show a population that has grown over 80 years.

Statistics show a population in Gaza today that is the same as it was 2 years ago.

Genocide has a very specific definition, and nothing you are arguing rises to that definition.

So then you turn into a petulant child and insist that genocide is whatever you decide it is at any given time.

 

[georgephillip]

What is objective evidence?

Statistics.

What statistics show that genocide has occurred? Because you said yourself that the population of Gaza is 2 million today, which is what it was on 10/7/23.

Statistics is one measurable aspect of objective evidence:

Objective Evidence: Understanding Its Legal Definition | US Legal Forms

"Objective evidence is information that is based on factual data, which can be verified through methods such as analysis, measurement, and observation."

Excess deaths is another objective fact:

GoogleAI Overview:

"The best estimate of excess deaths in Gaza, which accounts for both direct violent fatalities and indirect deaths from disease and starvation, is highly debated. Independent, peer-reviewed demographic research estimates between 75,000 and 87,500 direct violent deaths alone occurred between October 2023 and early 2025, with tens of thousands more indirect and unrecorded fatalities."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214109X25005224

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I don't feel objective facts proving Israeli genocide in Gaza existI don't feel objective facts proving Israeli genocide in Gaza exist, I know they do

No you don't!

Objective facts are things like statistics and literal definitions. Things that cannot be argued because they are explicit. You cannot argue that 2 million people isn't 2 million people.

You argue that you're entitled to determine what is and isn't objective, but that's not something that is up to you. Just because you feel something doesn't make that true.

while you apparently believe Israeli Jews are entitled to steal Arab land in Gaza and murder tens of thousands of their victims.

Israel left Gaza in 2006 and then Gazans spent the next 20 years indoctrinating the entire population into a death cult.

The absurdity of your argument is that Hamas is resisting Israel by using Palestinians as human shields.

So explain to me how hiding behind human shields actually saves lives.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Statistics is one measurable aspect of objective evidence:

Well if we're talking about genocide of a population, it would be the predominant one.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

"Objective evidence is information that is based on factual data, which can be verified through methods such as analysis, measurement, and observation."

Exactly, factual data.

Where is your factual data?

"The best estimate of excess deaths in Gaza, which accounts for both direct violent fatalities and indirect deaths from disease and starvation, is highly debated. Independent, peer-reviewed demographic research estimates between 75,000 and 87,500 direct violent deaths alone occurred between October 2023 and early 2025, with tens of thousands more indirect and unrecorded fatalities."

Wait - so it's violent deaths now? So that's a goalpost shift. Violent deaths are not proof of genocide.

20,000 people in the US die violent deaths, so is that genocide?

And of those 75,000 dead, how many were Hamas?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Evacuation routes in Gaza, as described by LTC Aguilar last year, facilitate the genocide.

Ah and there's another goalpost shift.

"Facilitating the genocide", but not actually genocide? So if it's not actually genocide, and the people are being evacuated out of a war zone, how is genocide being facilitated?

All that proves is that Israel cares more about the safety of Gazans than Gazans do themselves.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

"When British forces took control of Palestine in 1917 they inherited a land registration system from the Ottoman Empire.

Right, not a Palestine. Part of an empire. Who controlled it before the Ottomans?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Right, not a Palestine. Part of an empire. Who controlled it before the Ottomans?

George keeps trying to sell there's ever been a Palestine. George should stop looking ridiculous

 

[Hafar1014]

Right, not a Palestine. Part of an empire. Who controlled it before the Ottomans?

Jews when it was called Judea and Samara.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

What is the specific statistical definition of genocide you are alleging?

The destruction of an entire people in whole or in part.

The very fact that there are the same number of -if not more- Palestinians today than there was on 10/7/23 would disprove a genocide occurred.

The very fact that there are about 4x more Palestinians today than in 1948 would disprove a genocide ocurred.

Objective facts.

Genocide isn't whatever you want it to be at any given time. You cheapen the word when you do that.