The Palestinians should have considered that before joining a war to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews there. Germany lost land after World War I. Germany lost more land after World War II. Losing land is the cost of starting and losing a war of aggression.
Oy! Those Crafty Jews!
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Following World War II, an estimated 12 to 14 million ethnic Germans were expelled or fled from Eastern and Central Europe (mainly Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary) between 1944 and 1950. This massive, often brutal, forced migration—sometimes called the largest instance of ethnic cleansing in modern European history—resulted in hundreds of thousands to over 2 million deaths. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Aspects of the Expulsion:
- Context: The expulsions were largely driven by the desire for ethnically homogeneous nation-states following Nazi Germany’s wartime atrocities and occupation, a goal formalized by the Allied agreements.
- Geographic Scope: Large numbers were removed from territories that became part of Poland and Czechoslovakia, along with Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Soviet-controlled areas.
- Process: The process involved forced removal, internment in often brutal conditions (sometimes in former Nazi concentration camps), and widespread confiscation of property.
- Casualties: While estimates vary, it is believed at least 500,000, and potentially over 2 million, ethnic Germans died during the flight and expulsion due to violence, disease, malnutrition, and exposure.
- Immediate Post-War Conditions: Many Germans, mostly women, children, and elderly, were forced out with only a few hours to pack. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
- Massive Displacement: In Czechoslovakia, the ethnic German population was reduced from 29% in 1930 to 1.8% in 1950.
- Refugee Status: Millions of refugees returned to a broken Germany, creating a massive post-war humanitarian crisis.
- Historical Context: While many of those expelled had lived in these regions for centuries, others were "Volksdeutsche" who had been settled in Eastern Europe during the German expansion. [1, 2, 3, 4]
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I am not a demonic Zionist. I am an angelic Zionist.
Churchill
Platinum Member
Read it - Germans were expelled from other countries that had been brutalized and annexed by the Nazis, they weren't expelled by the allies from Germany.AI Overview
Following World War II, an estimated 12 to 14 million ethnic Germans were expelled or fled from Eastern and Central Europe (mainly Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary) between 1944 and 1950. This massive, often brutal, forced migration—sometimes called the largest instance of ethnic cleansing in modern European history—resulted in hundreds of thousands to over 2 million deaths. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Aspects of the Expulsion:
Key Details on the Demographic Shift:
- Context: The expulsions were largely driven by the desire for ethnically homogeneous nation-states following Nazi Germany’s wartime atrocities and occupation, a goal formalized by the Allied agreements.
- Geographic Scope: Large numbers were removed from territories that became part of Poland and Czechoslovakia, along with Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Soviet-controlled areas.
- Process: The process involved forced removal, internment in often brutal conditions (sometimes in former Nazi concentration camps), and widespread confiscation of property.
- Casualties: While estimates vary, it is believed at least 500,000, and potentially over 2 million, ethnic Germans died during the flight and expulsion due to violence, disease, malnutrition, and exposure.
- Immediate Post-War Conditions: Many Germans, mostly women, children, and elderly, were forced out with only a few hours to pack. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
For a comprehensive, authoritative account of this, see the book Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War. [1]
- Massive Displacement: In Czechoslovakia, the ethnic German population was reduced from 29% in 1930 to 1.8% in 1950.
- Refugee Status: Millions of refugees returned to a broken Germany, creating a massive post-war humanitarian crisis.
- Historical Context: While many of those expelled had lived in these regions for centuries, others were "Volksdeutsche" who had been settled in Eastern Europe during the German expansion. [1, 2, 3, 4]
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I am not a demonic Zionist. I am an angelic Zionist.
Germany was conquered by the allies and no Germans were ethnically cleansed from Germany, so why do you suggest that conquering Arab occupied territory in Palestine in 1948 requires the expulsion of the almost a million people who already lived there? It doesn't.
They were ethincally cleansed because the Zionists are maniacs and they are doing it right now in South Lebanon and the West Bank and you don't even understand what you are seeing!
Dogmaphobe
Diamond Member
How odd.
All the neo-Nazis and white supremacists I have ever encountered hate Jews almost as much as you.
Germans were expelled from parts of Germany that were annexed by the allies.
Churchill
Platinum Member
Which parts of Germany was this then?
The Sage of Main Street
Platinum Member
Addicted DickHeadOnce again; the fixation on Jews.
It’s not normal.
This know-it-all obsession takes over a victim's mind so that all other issues have to be related to THE JEWS!!!, or he thinks they're not important enough to talk about.
The Sage of Main Street
Platinum Member
Israel Is the Moat at White Castle
Why do you deny that there is an Islamic Jihad against the whole world, and that Israel was placed in the Moslem Heartland as a decoy to it? We are in mortal danger because our people and their ignorant government refuse to recognize this perpetual threat being born again soon after the Turkish Jihad ended.
Churchill
Platinum Member
When did that start? 1948? Hmm, I wonder why.
Israel was voluntarily colonized by Jews starting after WW1, if they believed (as your argument requires) Islam had always sought their extermination I don't think they'd have settled there unless they were utterly stupid.
What do you think this refers to from Revelation:
The Potsdam Agreement was signed on 1 August 1945. In connection with this, the leaders of the United States, Britain and the Soviet Union planned the new postwar German government, resettled war territory boundaries, de facto annexed a quarter of pre-war Germany situated east of the Oder–Neisse line, and mandated and organized the expulsion of the millions of Germans who remained in the annexed territories and elsewhere in the east.
End of World War II in Europe - Wikipedia
georgephillip
Diamond Member
Palestinians knew of Zionist intentions to seize all Arab land in Palestine long before Israel launched its formal war of aggression on 15 May 1948:
https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attachments/jps-articles/Plan dalet.pdf (P. 5/30)
"'Plan Dalet' or 'Plan D' was the name given by the Zionist High Command to the general plan for military operations within the framework of which the Zionists launched successive offensives in April and early May1948 in various parts of Palestine.
"These offensives, which entailed the destruction of the Palestinian Arab community and the expulsion and pauperization of the bulk of the Palestine Arabs, were calculated to achieve the military fait accompli upon which the state of Israel was to be based."
georgephillip
Diamond Member
You have no way of knowing if I am Jewish or not, do you
Can you grasp the possibility someone may hate collective punishment, ethnic cleaning, and genocide along with other manifestations of Jewish supremacy without hating Jews?
Read more Chomsky if you're still confused.
georgephillip
Diamond Member
Pity the Pitiful Jew
"I Can’t Forget the Smell': Lebanese Reel After Israel Kills Over 300 in Single Day
"Zeteo speaks to survivors of the deadliest day in the resumed war, after Lebanon saw more than 100 Israeli strikes in 10 minutes."
'I Can’t Forget the Smell': Lebanese Reel After Israel Kills Over 300 in Single DayYou have no way of knowing if I am Jewish or not, do you
Can you grasp the possibility someone may hate collective punishment, ethnic cleaning, and genocide along with other manifestations of Jewish supremacy without hating Jews?
Read more Chomsky if you're still confused.
Jewish Genius
Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?by Charles Murray
The sparse representation of Jews during the flowering of the European arts and sciences is not hard to explain. They were systematically excluded, both by legal restrictions on the occupations they could enter and by savage social discrimination. Then came legal emancipation, beginning in the late 1700’s in a few countries and completed in Western Europe by the 1870’s, and with it one of the most extraordinary stories of any ethnic group at any point in human history.
As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16 significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870 to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910–1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.
To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.
Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.
Jewish Genius
Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
www.commentary.org
Dogmaphobe
Diamond Member
You have no way of knowing if I am Jewish or not, do you
Can you grasp the possibility someone may hate collective punishment, ethnic cleaning, and genocide along with other manifestations of Jewish supremacy without hating Jews?
Read more Chomsky if you're still confused.
What I KNOW is that you only do one thing in this forum -- hate Jews.
georgephillip
Diamond Member
Are you willing to endorse genocide if they don't leave "voluntarily"?
Many of the Palestinians currently living in Gaza are descendants of Arabs who were ethnically cleansed from their homes and farms by Jews in 1967.
Excellent analysis of Jew Hatred....one of the best I have read.
Oy! Those Crafty Jews
Antisemitism is an ancient concept which has just now moved back above the fold.www.americanthinker.com
I place this post here, in Current Events, because expressing hatred for Jews is in the news a lot these days. Hating on Jews has been a favorite pastime for many a folk with grievance for quite a long time. The last really big anti-Jew movement was back during the 1930s and 1940s. But then Hitler screwed it up by taking it too far. Today's Jew hatred is based upon the Muslim model. Since it has gotten really ramped up, you now see all sorts of Jew hatred crawling out of the woodwork, both from the right and the left. A lot of folks out there just PLAIN HATE THE JEWS!
I have long espoused the theory that the term "Zionism" is a dog-whistle for anti-Semitism. It is code. You will read people condemning Zionism vehemently, then ridiculously arguing that it does not equate to antisemitism. Then, if you disagree with them and their objections to so-called "Zionism", the claim "Well, you just don't understand, man...". In all of their morass of pseudo-intellectual garbage there are 2 facts. First, the people who espouse anti-Zionism are either (a) Muslims who want to violently murder all Jews, or (b) antisemitic bigots. Second, the non-muslim antisemitic bigots' intellectual capacity is right on par with the run-of-the-mill conspiratorialist. Sure, such a person may be "intelligent" in some form. But they are too goofy to know their limitations or too brain-fried to discipline their work with logic.
What is Zionism? It essentially is a broad notion that Jews have a right to a homeland and self-determination free of those people who want to murder them. In fact, the UN agreed with them in 1947 and recognized Israel as the Jewish state. This entire idea is not knew. For example, Russia has been barbarically invaded for centuries. As a result, they like to have a buffer around them. Most recently with the Soviet Union, the used the Eastern European countries (the spoils of Stalin's campaign to destroy the Nazis). Even today you see the tendency in Putin to want to buffer Russia's borders. Likewise, the Jews desired a peaceful existence, secure from all of the antisemitic violence that had stalked them for centuries. Thus, in theory, this is pretty sound thinking and quite rational.
What about Zionism in practice? What, if any, non-Jews are disadvantaged by Israel's Zionism? In my opinion, nobody worth a damn is affected. Essentially, you have the descendants of nomadic Arabs in the Gaza, the West Bank, and Golan Heights. These people want to violently murder all Jews and their children. Why? Are they just a wee bit miffed over Zionistic dislocation? If so, then today's antizionists may have some degree of a point. However, anti-Jewish hatred and violence long predates Zionism. They hate the Jews. Period.
Gazans essentially had self-rule over Gaza a couple of years ago when Hamas sent murderers across their border and into Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap innocents. Reprisal for Zionism? I think not. The fact is that the so-called Palestinian people could have had their own sovereign state YEARS AGO (under Arafat) had they simply played ball. But they did not. They allowed themselves to fall victim to their hatred of Jews and largely lost the opportunity, and all because they refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist (which every nation-state on Earth already acknowledged). Instead, they were necessarily subjected to Israeli security actions. They were not oppressed by Israel at this time. But Hamas had proven itself to be so dangerous and irrational that Israel had to take action. It would have been malfeasance if they did not act to protect themselves.
As I previously mentioned, there are 2 types of people who rant about Zionism. First, there are the Jew-hating muslims. They are a lost cause. No rehabilitation for them is possible as a group. Then there are the non-muslim goof balls. I wonder about these people. What kind of nitwit, in light of the facts I set forth herein and the modern history of this region, can actually rant at Israel over Zionism. Are they completely stupid? I will say this: When these people are confronted with fact and educated argument, they (1) get angry, thereby exposing and irrational bias; and (2) resort to the simplistic mantra "Zionism". The term "Zionism" itself is quite open to interpretation. Does the term genuinely include all the mischief alleged by the antizionists, or are they misusing, and abusing the term, to justify their anti-Semitic bigotry?
Think about this. Who benefits from anti-Zionism? The so-called Palestinians people, who are led by Hamas, a violent Jihadist terror group. Why is Hamas leading the Palestinian people (at least, in Gaza)" Because the "Palestinian" people want them to lead. Are the West Bank Arabs any better off under the PA? They do tend to be a little more tightly wrapped. But they are just as giddy about murdering Jews. These people would gladly blow up and otherwise murder Christians, gays, women, whatever does not comport to their beliefs. They are not good people. They are not civilized. They are not democratic. They are a bunch of Fred Flintstones. Even other Arab countries do not want them. THIS IS WHO YOU ANTI-ZIONIST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING YOURSELVES WITH. That is DISGUSTING.
Anything that diminishes Israel's right to defend its people, even with the strictest interpretation of Zionism you want to give it, is asking Israel to sacrifice some of its own people. I can think of little more than is more anti-Semitic than this, other than gas chambers and ovens. Therein lies the rub. With each and every one of you antizionist ding-dongs out there, the result of you getting your way is that there will be more dead Jews. And you clearly do not have a problem with this.
georgephillip
Diamond Member
How do any of those accomplishments justify the Jews of Israel stealing Arab land in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria?Jewish Genius
Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
by Charles Murray
The sparse representation of Jews during the flowering of the European arts and sciences is not hard to explain. They were systematically excluded, both by legal restrictions on the occupations they could enter and by savage social discrimination. Then came legal emancipation, beginning in the late 1700’s in a few countries and completed in Western Europe by the 1870’s, and with it one of the most extraordinary stories of any ethnic group at any point in human history.
As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16 significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870 to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910–1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.
To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.
Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.
Jewish Genius
Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
toomuchtime_
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The thing is these accomplishments are real, but your claim the Jews stole Arab land is false.
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