Over 1,600 People Removed From Voter Rolls Under Youngkin Order; Groups Seek Court Injunction

[SweetTea]

Law

So you would be ok with a massive, nationwide campaign to remove illegal voters from the register as long as it is 90 days before the next election? Democrats would not be ok with this either. They would come up with some other lame excuse as to how somebody is being harmed by the crack down. You know it. We all know it. Stop being so obtuse.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So you would be ok with a massive, nationwide campaign to remove illegal voters from the register as long as it is 90 days before the next election? Democrats would not be ok with this either. They would come up with some other lame excuse as to how somebody is being harmed by the crack down. You know it. We all know it. Stop being so obtuse.

Which is why there needs to be a national standard.

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of a highly mobile society with instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible citizens are fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW

 

[toobfreak]

It appears to be, which is why our whole "voter registration" model from the 1700's needs to be replaced so that all citizens are automatically considered "registered" to vote.

Interesting idea that just being a citizen registers you to vote. That is actually an interesting idea of why you need to "register" to vote if you are already a citizen? And my first thought is that maybe the reason is that then you would be "registered" at birth but not actually able to vote until you were 18, so would be on the voter rolls all that time needlessly, looking inactive, then your death would have to be accurately and timely recorded before you were taken off. In the interim, there would be lots of opportunity for mischief.

As it stands, if you become "inactive" for a period of time, simply stop voting for several cycles for reasons of not caring, health, moving to another country, death, etc., then they take you off to minimize the voter database. As it stands then, the "active, eligible" voter database is probably something like 150-160 million people. Your way, the voter database would be about 340 million people.

My guess is that if the government can't effectively manage the former, how would they ever manage the latter?

 

[rightwinger]

So you would be ok with a massive, nationwide campaign to remove illegal voters from the register as long as it is 90 days before the next election?

Yes

As long as Republicans are willing to pay for it and make an honest effort to contact people

 

[Rawley]

A free and fair election does not include illegally removing CITIZENS legal right to vote for their representation.

Removing illegal voters should never be at the expense of wrongly taking a citizen's right to vote away. It can be done without doing that...

That shouldn't be so hard to understand?

So when the Dem Gov. did this, according to a a law passed by a DEm legislature and approved by a Dem DOJ, it wasn't illegal?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Interesting idea that just being a citizen registers you to vote. That is actually an interesting idea of why you need to "register" to vote if you are already a citizen? And my first thought is that maybe the reason is that then you would be "registered" at birth but not actually able to vote until you were 18, so would be on the voter rolls all that time needlessly, looking inactive, then your death would have to be accurately and timely recorded before you were taken off. In the interim, there would be lots of opportunity for mischief.

As it stands, if you become "inactive" for a period of time, simply stop voting for several cycles for reasons of not caring, health, moving to another country, death, etc., then they take you off to minimize the voter database. As it stands then, the "active, eligible" voter database is probably something like 150-160 million people. Your way, the voter database would be about 340 million people.

My guess is that if the government can't effectively manage the former, how would they ever manage the latter?

Because there is no single controlling entity over the "former" you have 50 states, DC, and the Territories running parallel non-connected systems following a model from the 1700's.

Valid citizens, over 18, without their franchise removed by legal action should never be considered an "INACTIVE" voter, there would be no such designation as part of qualified to vote for not.

340 Million People? Sure, some designated as "Eligible" (over 18, citizen, non active felony, non court ordered mental incapacity). Others are designated as "Ineligible" (for voting purposes), those under 18, non-citizens, those whose franchise was removed via felony conviction or mental incapacity.

The government ALREADY manages database with more than that number of people and with multiple historical records for each. The numbers are mind numbing. The SSA and IRS respectively because they have existed for decades so not only do they already have information on the current population, but the population going back to the early 1900's.

I'm a database guy, it is absolutely isn't a question of "can we do it", the technology exists, the information already exists, it's a matter of integration and scale.

WW

 

[WEATHER53]

Kicking people off the rolls 12 weeks before an election doesn’t allow enough time to notify voters and allow them to contest the decision

If Younkin really cared he would have done it years before a presidential election

Make yourself a legal voter well beforehand
Stop cheating and then crying when caught.

 

[toobfreak]

Because there is no single controlling entity over the "former" you have 50 states, DC, and the Territories running parallel non-connected systems following a model from the 1700's.

I'm not a big fan of "centralized control." In every instance I've seen government or business "centralize" everything, it never turns out well, mainly done as a cost-cutting measure. Seems to me that to solve your problem, all the various states need to do is CONNECT their computers! We have a thing called the internet that would make that rather easy, but then, the greatest central power, the IRS, still runs with computers running MS-DOS, so what does that tell you about central control? Central control just makes it easier to cheat or to F things up.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'm not a big fan of "centralized control." In every instance I've seen government or business "centralize" everything, it never turns out well, mainly done as a cost-cutting measure. Seems to me that to solve your problem, all the various states need to do is CONNECT their computers! We have a thing called the internet that would make that rather easy, but then, the greatest central power, the IRS, still runs with computers running MS-DOS, so what does that tell you about central control? Central control just makes it easier to cheat or to F things up.

The state interconnection leaves out the main repository of required information and means each state develops their own system for the "interconnection" and then has to interface with all the other states, DC, and territories. Without access to the SSA, IRS, Federal Department of State, and Federal Court systems there is no single point access to reliable citizenship/felony information.

From a database standpoint you have a single "person" entity with a single system. With states you have each individual state defining the "person" entity. I've lived in New York, Tennessee, Florida, California, Guam, and have been overseas not living in a US state/territory. Makes the equitation much harder than it has to be be.

Not only would having a single access point system be more efficient, it would be more cost effective and provide better accuracy than 51+ redundant systems that are then expected to be maintained and cross checked.

WW

 

[1srelluc]

Judge reinstates voters removed by Youngkin's executive order

A federal judge ruled Friday to block an Executive Order by Gov. Youngkin that sought to remove non-citizen voters from voter rolls.

www.wtkr.com

Well, a fed judge has ruled against Virgina and demands that the 1600 self-described non-citizens be put back on the voter rolls.

Let that sink in! The feds demand that non-citizens be but back on the voter rolls. Oh no, not political at all.

Youngkin has appealed to the 4th circuit for an emergency stay on the decision.....Chances are slim that a stay will be issued before the election.

The steal is on! I guess the dem judge's masters decided that Virginia was getting too close and that the dems needed some non-citizen help.

Liberal black female dem judge appointed by Biden.

Patricia Tolliver Giles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rightwinger]

Make yourself a legal voter well beforehand
Stop cheating and then crying when caught.

Stop trying to block people from voting because of imaginary voter fraud

 

[toobfreak]

The state interconnection leaves out the main repository of required information and means each state develops their own system for the "interconnection" and then has to interface with all the other states, DC, and territories. Without access to the SSA, IRS, Federal Department of State, and Federal Court systems there is no single point access to reliable citizenship/felony information.

I understand all that. That can be easily solved by simply having all of the state databases all engineered with a compatible OS. Many businesses do as much, the phone company can do it, so should the government be able to.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

When Larry Hogan was Maryland governor, he tried to stop biden’s $1400/weekly Covid checks because they were undermining the state’s economy. A democrat fed judge overruled hogan and the checks continued. Hogan was as much to blame because he ragged on trump incessantly during his first term in order to attract the democrat sheep vote that dominates the state of Maryland, the votes he needed for reelection. Hogan got what he asked for. Asshole.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I understand all that. That can be easily solved by simply having all of the state databases all engineered with a compatible OS. Many businesses do as much, the phone company can do it, so should the government be able to.

Phone companies are national and follow a national standard using defined area code and exchange numbers.

WW

 

[1srelluc]

The ruling has been made....I started a new thread for post-ruling comments.

Virginia....Fed judge ruled that1600 self-described non-citizens must be put back on the voter rolls

https://www.wtkr.com/news/politics/judge-blocks-youngkin-executive-order-on-removing-non-citizen-voters-from-voter-rolls#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20A%20federal%20judge%20ruled%20Friday%20to%20block,rolls%20after%20Youngkin%20issued%20the%20Order%20in%20August. Well, a fed judge (dem) has ruled against...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[toobfreak]

Phone companies are national and follow a national standard

That was my point. They are no longer national companies (enter the CLECs), but they do follow a common standard because they WANT to work compatibly. The government does not.

using defined area code and exchange numbers.

I was speaking of the switching database, the CCS7 and token ring system, but yeah.

 

[JoeMoma]

Yes

As long as Republicans are willing to pay for it and make an honest effort to contact people.

Not just republicans. We the people, Citizens!

 

[rightwinger]

Not just republicans. We the people, Citizens!

Agree
But Repblicans want to do it on the cheap

Just do blanket cleansing of voter rolls and let the voters fix it if they Hey, it’s your problem, you take care of it

Registrars need to do actual work, investigate before someone is dropped

 

[eagle1462010]

The state should check those 1600 for STOLEN IDS and SSNs.

Then prosecute them for it.

Make no mistake. This is the case for MILLIONS of Latinos in America.

If you cant prove citizenship...you shouldnt be on the rolls.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The state should check those 1600 for STOLEN IDS and SSNs.

Then prosecute them for it.

Make no mistake. This is the case for MILLIONS of Latinos in America.

If you cant prove citizenship...you shouldnt be on the rolls.

Citizens shouldn't have to "prove" citizenship to a government that ALREADY knows who the citizens are.

People should prove identify with a Voter ID when casting a ballot.

And no, they are not the same ting.

WW