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rtwngAvngr said:
I actually I just got a job offer today, and I was surviving on my credit card. It's not smart, but it's not welfare either. I will pay every penny.


No, we've heard this story from you before, we all will pay your credit card for you in the long run I suspect, thanks alot.
 
OCA said:
No, we've heard this story from you before, we all will pay your credit card for you in the long run I suspect, thanks alot.

So I'm a liar and I'm not going to pay my debt? You got a link?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
OCA, mandatory 16 hr days, should they be legal or illegal?

It should be up to each individual business to decide for theirself, not government.

Your scenario is a fallacy though, no company that wants to stay in business will subject their workers to 16hr days. It is amusing watching you squirm out on the extremes though searching for something in vain to defeat me, give up comrade, its useless.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
So I'm a liar and I'm not going to pay my debt? You got a link?

You are my link, well sources that we have in common and I ain't revealing. How anyone who claims to love America could go 2-3 years without being a man and working is beyond me, its an affront to my manhood.
 
OCA said:
It should be up to each individual business to decide for theirself, not government.

Your scenario is a fallacy though, no company that wants to stay in business will subject their workers to 16hr days. It is amusing watching you squirm out on the extremes though searching for something in vain to defeat me, give up comrade, its useless.

So if a company wants to tell their workers they must work sixteen hours a day or be fired that's fine with you?

IF the law was repealed, businesses would force their people to work longer, no doubt about it.

What minimum worker protection DO you believe in. You said you believed in some, what are they?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
My true wish is to export them all.

Of course Im not for selectively keeping the welfare cases. I've never said that.

Business DOESN'T police itelf. That's a joke.

I'm against Trading with north korea, just as I'm against trading with china. Why one and not the other for you? or is that your position? TELL ME YOUR POSITION on N.Korea, Red states, the gilligan to your skipper, was for trading with N. Korea.


I'll be willing to lay a small wager thast around your 1 room flat that you rent for 250/month you have at least 50 things made in China.

Capitalism is taking root there and through that capitalism the human rights abuses will be curtailed........bleeding heart.
 
OCA said:
You are my link, well sources that we have in common and I ain't revealing. How anyone who claims to love America could go 2-3 years without being a man and working is beyond me, its an affront to my manhood.

oooo. mysterious. must be true.
 
OCA said:
Your scenario is a fallacy though, no company that wants to stay in business will subject their workers to 16hr days. It is amusing watching you squirm out on the extremes though searching for something in vain to defeat me, give up comrade, its useless.
You do have a point, sweatshops usually only go for 10 to 12 hours a day, seven days a week. Then again, in OCA world, sweatshops don't exist.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
So if a company wants to tell their workers they must work sixteen hours a day or be fired that's fine with you?

IF the law was repealed, businesses would force their people to work longer, no doubt about it.

What minimum worker protection DO you believe in. You said you believed in some, what are they?

No, if the law was repealed companies would not force their workers to work 16 hrs a day, tired and fatigued workers are not productive workers..... comrade.

Minimum protections? Workers compensation, thats about it.
 
OCA said:
Ithrough that capitalism the human rights abuses will be curtailed......

How? There have been no legal changes. Slave/prison labor is still used. The media is becoming less free. Christians and others are being persecuted. I believe we've been lied to. They're still totalitarian as ever. How would enriching the fascist totalitarians equal freedom for people, when the leadership does not value freedom for their people? that is completely irrational.
 
Mr.Conley said:
You do have a point, sweatshops usually only go for 10 to 12 hours a day, seven days a week. Then again, in OCA world, sweatshops don't exist.

Find me one in America. Indonesia etc. etc.? I don't give a fuck, that is their problem.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
How? There have been no legal changes. Slave/prison labor is still used. The media is becoming less free. Christians and others are being persecuted. I believe we've been lied to. They're still totalitarian as ever. How would enriching the fascist totalitarians equal freedom for people, when the leadership does not value freedom for their people? that is completely irrational.

So when are you moving to China? Why do you give a shit? I get low cost products, that is all I care about right now. As for the future I have faith in capitalism. Hey..........oh hell the Soviet Union folded up tent long ago.
 
OCA said:
No, if the law was repealed companies would not force their workers to work 16 hrs a day, tired and fatigued workers are not productive workers..... comrade.

Minimum protections? Workers compensation, thats about it.

They may not get as much done PER HOUR, but when you work twice as much, the output is still more. We're not talking productivity per hour, we're talking overall output. I think what you're saying is just a fanciful fascist lie.
 
Since i'm thrashing you on this subject isn't it about the time now where you tell me my mom is a whore or that i'm a wifebeater or a pedophile?

That IS your m.o.............the old ad hominem attack.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
They may not get as much done PER HOUR, but when you work twice as much, the output is still more. We're not talking productivity per hour, we're talking overall output. I think what you're saying is just a fanciful fascist lie.

Well seeing as how you are a lazy fuck we'll just chalk your views up to inexperience.

No twice as much work at less than ultimum work shape equals les productivity......get a clue.
 
OCA said:
So when are you moving to China? Why do you give a shit? I get low cost products, that is all I care about right now. As for the future I have faith in capitalism. Hey..........oh hell the Soviet Union folded up tent long ago.

Because they're cornering the market in nearly all manufacturing through slave labor tactics. We shouldn't become dependant on this evil. and trying in vain to compete with it will only reduce our populations to slavery as well. Of course, this is the plan. I'm opposed to the plan.

I guess we long term thinking fellows will just have to look out for all those lulled into complacency by cheap crap. Don't worry oca, I'll save you.
 
OCA said:
Well seeing as how you are a lazy fuck we'll just chalk your views up to inexperience.

No twice as much work at less than ultimum work shape equals les productivity......get a clue.

If you work twice as much, and you're productivity is 25% less, you're overall output is still more. Learn math.
 
OCA said:
Find me one in America. Indonesia etc. etc.? I don't give a fuck, that is their problem.
Found.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=508238
The Crimson said:
The Ills of Modern-Day Slavery
Postcard from Boston, Massachusetts

By LOUI ITOH

“My name is Loui Itoh and I’m calling from the American Anti-Slavery Group, based in Boston. We’re looking to launch TV public service announcements to alert Americans to the fact that slavery is a modern-day problem, worldwide and even in the United States....”

The responses of the potential donors that my boss has asked me to call and ask to help fund our public awareness campaign have varied from a confused stutter to hanging up, except for the occasional individual who expresses interest in the issue. I can understand the rude and hostile reactions of these people to someone asking for money. But I wonder if I actually got the chance to talk to these people about the need for a public-awareness campaign to alert Americans to modern-day slavery, they still would not support the need for such an initiative.

Unlike other issues such as gay marriage, abortion, or gun control, modern-day slavery does not have two sides to the debate—most people who care to listen would agree that slavery is wrong and should be discontinued. Yet frustratingly few people support our cause. Almost nobody in America realizes that 27 million human beings are still enslaved today, more than at the height of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade—and tens of thousands of them reside on American soil.

Slaves are used as housemaids, prostitutes, construction workers, sweatshop workers, and agricultural laborers. There are several methods by which people are enslaved, including chattel slavery, in which a person is captured, born, or sold into permanent servitude; debt bondage, in which a person pledges him or herself against a loan of money but the length and type of labor is not defined; and contract slavery, in which a potential employee is promised a job, often in another country, and once they arrive, find that their passport and documents are confiscated, and that the terms of employment are drastically different. They are trapped in a situation in which they are not even paid, cannot leave, and suffer physical and sexual abuse.

And slavery is not just a worry in the third world—it is is increasingly an American problem. In the past five years alone, the press has reported 131 cases of forced labor in the United States involving 19,254 men, women, and children from a wide range of ethnic and racial groups. The victims are both foreign nationals and U.S. citizens, and about half of the cases involve prostitution. Estimates from government documents suggest that 50,000 people are trafficked into the U.S. every year for forced labor. The organization ECPAT-USA (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography, and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) has calculated that 300,000 American children are “at risk” of being forced into the sex trade. Incidents of child sexual exploitation, including child pornography, child prostitution, online enticement of children, and child sex tourism have increased 750 percent in five years.

Modern-day slavery flourishes because it is hidden, so an effective solution to combat this problem would be one that raises the profile of this problem: public awareness. A police officer told me that most of the cases the police hear come from phone calls from members of the public, rather than from the victims themselves. If more members of the public were attuned to the existence of slavery, then it seems as though there would be even more cases reported.

Slavery is a problem that I am confident most decent human beings will oppose, but they cannot take action if they do not know that it still exists. My frustration at the inabilty to garner the support that I was hoping to generate for the public awareness campaign demonstrates how the lack of awareness is a problem that feeds itself: people will not support a public awareness campaign about slavery, because they do not know that slavery still exists.

Loui Itoh ’07, a government and religion concentrator in Quincy House, is an editorial editor of The Crimson. She is spending the summer as an associate at the American Anti-Slavery Group on Park Street, in Boston, and now knows how frustrating it is to flag down pedestrians in the Square to give them pamphlets.
 
OCA said:
Since i'm thrashing you on this subject isn't it about the time now where you tell me my mom is a whore or that i'm a wifebeater or a pedophile?

That IS your m.o.............the old ad hominem attack.

Unlike "lazy fuck", or "lying deadbeat".
 
Where are all the mods who stridently stop personal attacks? Is there a strike on?
 

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