Outsourcing

[The ClayTaurus]

Where are all the mods who stridently stop personal attacks? Is there a strike on?

Maybe the mods don't feel the need to stop personal attacks against someone who 85% of the time subsists purely on them. Just a hunch. Either that or the jews are paying them off.

 

[OCA]

Maybe the mods don't feel the need to stop personal attacks against someone who 85% of the time subsists purely on them. Just a hunch. Either that or the jews are paying them off.

Absolutely corrrect, RWA has no more credit left with the staff of USMB...though lazy fuck is hardly the equal of accuusing someone of wifebeating, now is it?

 

[OCA]

Found.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=508238

You are talking whores and i'm talking slave labor like getting paid 2.00/hr and unsanitary working conditions, those just don't happen anymore in America.

Ok i'll admit that there is a problem in the international whore trade albeit compared to other issuees this is veeeeeery miniscule, nobody even gives a shit.

Nice try though.

 

[OCA]

If you work twice as much, and you're productivity is 25% less, you're overall output is still more. Learn math.

And who says its only 25% less? What if your worker is producing less than half the whole 16 hrs because of fatigue? Plus your thinking, and knowing you I don't blame you, is way overly simplistic, you are not figuring in injury, sickness etc. etc. because when workers get weary or aren't getting their proper sleep and veggies accidents and sickness are bound to happen and those cost money to the employer.

But anyway you have never been an employer or business owner and since you are a lib now you wouldn't understand these advanced concepts, its ok......bleeding heart

 

[OCA]

Because they're cornering the market in nearly all manufacturing through slave labor tactics. We shouldn't become dependant on this evil. and trying in vain to compete with it will only reduce our populations to slavery as well. Of course, this is the plan. I'm opposed to the plan.

I guess we long term thinking fellows will just have to look out for all those lulled into complacency by cheap crap. Don't worry oca, I'll save you.

No, Asians including China are cornering the market because they are more advanced technologically. We are already dependent on their products and no amount of your prattle is going to change that. That is not the plan, that is all in your head.

Tell you what, try living your life not ever buying anything made in China, you won't make it a week.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

And who says its only 25% less? What if your worker is producing less than half the whole 16 hrs because of fatigue? Plus your thinking, and knowing you I don't blame you, is way overly simplistic, you are not figuring in injury, sickness etc. etc. because when workers get weary or aren't getting their proper sleep and veggies accidents and sickness are bound to happen and those cost money to the employer.

But anyway you have never been an employer or business owner and since you are a lib now you wouldn't understand these advanced concepts, its ok......bleeding heart

Well, you 've whatiffed yourself into irrelevance, congratulations.

When you're paying people mere pittances and are driving them to death and they are effectively slaves, the considerations you posit don't come into play. It's amazing that corporations had such long hours back before our labor laws, considering how ineffective it truly was.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, Asians including China are cornering the market because they are more advanced technologically. We are already dependent on their products and no amount of your prattle is going to change that. That is not the plan, that is all in your head.

Tell you what, try living your life not ever buying anything made in China, you won't make it a week.

They're not more advanced technologically. They use slave labor and their currency is artificially devalued, making their products cheaper.

And right I won't make it week without stuff made in china, because all competing exporters have been put out of businesses by this combination of illegal and inhuman practices.

 

[OCA]

Well, you 've whatiffed yourself into irrelevance, congratulations.

When you're paying people mere pittances and are driving them to death and they are effectively slaves, the considerations you posit don't come into play. It's amazing that corporations had such long hours back before our labor laws, considering how ineffective it truly was.

You mentioned nothing about horly pay, your supposition was simply based on a 16 hr day which does not happen in America except under extreme circumstances, the more likely scenario would be a 10 hr day.

But anywho saying that the problems I posed don't come into play is like saying a football lineman getting injured doesn't come into play in the outcome of a game, its completely assinine and its proof positive that you don't know your asshole from your elbow when it comes to business and capitalism. Stick to things you know about......ad hominem attacks.

Congrats on your new job, are you ready? Can you say "would you like to make that a combo sir?"

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You mentioned nothing about horly pay, your supposition was simply based on a 16 hr day which does not happen in America except under extreme circumstances, the more likely scenario would be a 10 hr day.

But anywho saying that the problems I posed don't come into play is like saying a football lineman getting injured doesn't come into play in the outcome of a game, its completely assinine and its proof positive that you don't know your asshole from your elbow when it comes to business and capitalism. Stick to things you know about......ad hominem attacks.

Congrats on your new job, are you ready? Can you say "would you like to make that a combo sir?"

The point is slavery is profitable. No matter how you wrangle and wince, you can't change that fact.
Our labor laws were in fact necessary to bring about what you consider a natural state of affairs.

Good day to you.

 

[OCA]

They're not more advanced technologically. They use slave labor and their currency is artificially devalued, making their products cheaper.

And right I won't make it week without stuff made in china, because all competing exporters have been put out of businesses by this combination of illegal and inhuman practices.

RWA this is America, nobody gives a shit about China, nobody cares about how they do it they only care that they get their cheap shit, don't you get it?

This is how it is just like our economy is set up to use cheap labor from Latin America, I didn't make the rules I just live by them.

Anyway onto something else, you are starting to whine like Cindy Sheehan with your bleeding heart bullshit. Nobody is buying what you are selling.

And even old Bill Gates would tell ya that yes in fact the Asians including the Chinese are far more technologically advanced than we are.

 

[OCA]

The point is slavery is profitable. No matter how you wrangle and wince, you can't change that fact.
Our labor laws were in fact necessary to bring about what you consider a natural state of affairs.

Good day to you.

The laws are no longer neccessary, keep your big government theories out of private enterprise.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

RWA this is America, nobody gives a shit about China, nobody cares about how they do it they only care that they get their cheap shit, don't you get it?

This is how it is just like our economy is set up to use cheap labor from Latin America, I didn't make the rules I just live by them.

Anyway onto something else, you are starting to whine like Cindy Sheehan with your bleeding heart bullshit. Nobody is buying what you are selling.

And even old Bill Gates would tell ya that yes in fact the Asians including the Chinese are far more technologically advanced than we are.

I do care about what goes on in china.

People should care about more that cheap shit; they should consider the long term scnario.

As a voter, you do make the rules.

Your go along to get along attitude isn't cool, no matter what your friends say.

 

[OCA]

I do care about what goes on in china.

People should care about more that cheap shit; they should consider the long term scnario.

As a voter, you do make the rules.

Your go along to get along attitude isn't cool, no matter what your friends say.

No you don't, this is all an attention grab, a publicity ploy. You are the biggest global economist on the board and I can bring up post after post after post of yours to prove it. Nobody changes colors overnight.

You were basically relegated to obscurity about 3 months ago so you decided to become an anti-semite and a lib all at the same time in order to draw some attention to yourself. Its funny and pathetic all at the same time.

Hey, when the only two people aligned with you are Dildo and the board racist you should take that as a sign of things have gone awry.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No you don't, this is all an attention grab, a publicity ploy. You are the biggest global economist on the board and I can bring up post after post after post of yours to prove it. Nobody changes colors overnight.

You were basically relegated to obscurity about 3 months ago so you decided to become an anti-semite and a lib all at the same time in order to draw some attention to yourself. Its funny and pathetic all at the same time.

Hey, when the only two people aligned with you are Dildo and the board racist you should take that as a sign of things have gone awry.

No. I've changed, man. Being told selling ports to terrorist nations is just good business shook me out of my slumber. That was NOT supposed to make it to the media. They really screwed up on that. And despite all the outrage, they still did it anyway.

this is no ploy. I don't do ploys. A ploy is just taking the side opposite me, regardless of sense and logic, just to feel special.

 

[Mr.Conley]

You are talking whores and i'm talking slave labor like getting paid 2.00/hr and unsanitary working conditions, those just don't happen anymore in America.

Ok i'll admit that there is a problem in the international whore trade albeit compared to other issuees this is veeeeeery miniscule, nobody even gives a shit.

Nice try though.

Err.. you gonna want to read that again sport. Let me show you.

And slavery is not just a worry in the third world—it is is increasingly an American problem. In the past five years alone, the press has reported 131 cases of forced labor in the United States involving 19,254 men, women, and children from a wide range of ethnic and racial groups. The victims are both foreign nationals and U.S. citizens, and about half of the cases involve prostitution. Estimates from government documents suggest that 50,000 people are trafficked into the U.S. every year for forced labor. The organization ECPAT-USA (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography, and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) has calculated that 300,000 American children are “at risk” of being forced into the sex trade. Incidents of child sexual exploitation, including child pornography, child prostitution, online enticement of children, and child sex tourism have increased 750 percent in five years.

First, I want you to where the article says that, "the press has reported 131 cases of forced labor in the United States involving 19,254 men, women, and children." How is that not a problem. I don't care if, "nobody gives a shit." That doesn't make it right.

Now note my second bolded. According to the article, "about half of the cases involve prostitution." First, I want you to realize that sexual slavery is actually one of the major forms of modern slavery. Young women from 3rd world and developing countries enticed by the West are lured by slavers who promise to find them good jobs in America or Europe. Instead, upon arrival they are taken, beaten, bonded, and forced into prostitution. Maybe I could agree with you if what these women did was voluntary, but it isn't, and in many ways their fate is far worse then that of a mere sweatshop worker. You will also note that although prostitution constitutes nearly half of the slave trade within the United States, that still means that 50% of the slave trade is the forced sweatshop labor in unsanitary conditions you claim does not exist.

My third bolded is, obviously, sexual exploitation of children. Children often face the same sexual exploitation encountered by enslaved adults, and, as the numbers show, the domestic pedophile industry is growing at a staggering rate. It my not be the sweatshop labor or field work we traditionally associate with slavery, but it is in reality a far worse fate that these children face.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

So you do believe in some. That's good. Does that make you a socialist as well?

Let get specific. SHould people be forced to work 16 hrs straight or be fired?

Some people DO work 16 hours straight if they don't want to get fired. I worked for a guy who did exactly that on an important project for GE.

Of course, GE also paid him handsomely. Not because GE is a benevolent organization, but because he would have quit. It's the same reason why Henry Ford paid his workers so well--he had one of the highest turnover rates among big manufacturers.

The point is slavery is profitable. No matter how you wrangle and wince, you can't change that fact.

Actually no it isn't. Throughout history, slaves are good at one thing: basic agricultural work. And even then, it tends to disappear because of enforcement costs--it disappeared in 18 or so different countries in the americas, without firing a shot.

Oh and also there's this:

 

[Mr.Conley]

Actually no it isn't. Throughout history, slaves are good at one thing: basic agricultural work. And even then, it tends to disappear because of enforcement costs--it disappeared in 18 or so different countries in the americas, without firing a shot.

Not only agriculture. Textiles benefit from sweatshop labor. Housekeeping, prostitution, and basic mining are all more profitable when slaves are used.

 

[OCA]

Some people DO work 16 hours straight if they don't want to get fired. I worked for a guy who did exactly that on an important project for GE.

Of course, GE also paid him handsomely. Not because GE is a benevolent organization, but because he would have quit. It's the same reason why Henry Ford paid his workers so well--he had one of the highest turnover rates among big manufacturers.



Actually no it isn't. Throughout history, slaves are good at one thing: basic agricultural work. And even then, it tends to disappear because of enforcement costs--it disappeared in 18 or so different countries in the americas, without firing a shot.

Oh and also there's this:

Exactly, if a company wanted me to work a 16 hr day I would have to be mightily compensated, the fact is as RWA claims no company in America is asking people to work 16 hr days at 6.50/hr therefore slavery as he defines it isn't really a problem, well except in his head that is.

Conley, 19,000 some odd people out of 200,000,000 some odd million.......hardly a problem more like a few, very few bad apples. No, America actually doesn't have a slavery problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Exactly, if a company wanted me to work a 16 hr day I would have to be mightily compensated, the fact is as RWA claims no company in America is asking people to work 16 hr days at 6.50/hr therefore slavery as he defines it isn't really a problem, well except in his head that is.

Conley, 19,000 some odd people out of 200,000,000 some odd million.......hardly a problem more like a few, very few bad apples. No, America actually doesn't have a slavery problem that needs to be addressed.

Currently mandatory 16 hr days are rare if not illegal, hence you can walk or call osha, or sue them. So of course they may pay you handsomely. It wasn't always this way. Other options exist for you because of laws made to protect workers.

For you and Bigmeat, if eliminating worker protections ISN'T the plan, why are you fighting so hard for these fascist lies that businesses are inherently caring and can be trusted to police themselves? That's just wrong and ignorant.

 

[OCA]

Currently mandatory 16 hr days are rare if not illegal, hence you can walk or call osha, or sue them. So of course they may pay you handsomely. It wasn't always this way. Other options exist for you because of laws made to protect workers.

For you and Bigmeat, if eliminating worker protections ISN'T the plan, why are you fighting so hard for these fascist lies that businesses are inherently caring and can be trusted to police themselves? That's just wrong and ignorant.

RWA, your continual misguided use of the word fascist is growing tiresome, please lift up the content of your posts in order to make the board a better place.

I have not advocated complete deregulation, I have advocated that further government interference in private business be kept to a bare minimum such as is the case with Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart should be left to run their business as they see fit, if they were running a "slave" factory as some claim then they would find it hard to find employees but that currently isn't the case, a new Wal-Mart store usually has on average of 3,000 applicants for work.

I also advocate a revisiting of labor laws to see if some deregulation would be wise which I believe it could be.

TODAY'S busineses are caring and can be trusted to police theirselves, its sad that you have no faith in Americans.

For someone who doesn't work......wait, I was gonna say you know alot.......but you don't, we will just chalk it up to job place inexperience..