Our proposed trade deal with the EU

[Tommy Tainant]

EU FAILS to agree trade deal with Canada after Belgians shutdown discussions

Interesting article in the Brexit Express today.

Canada has been trying to sign a deal for 7 years without success.

How will a British deal be any quicker to set up ?

 

[Phoenall]

EU FAILS to agree trade deal with Canada after Belgians shutdown discussions

Interesting article in the Brexit Express today.

Canada has been trying to sign a deal for 7 years without success.

How will a British deal be any quicker to set up ?

Because Europe relies on Britain to a much greater extent, and it only takes one EU nation to block a trade deal if they think it will have a negative impact on their trade.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It probably won't. The British have massively shot themselves in the foot, Brexit hasn't even started and the shit is hitting the fan and it keeps getting worse. The Brexit people spend their whole time trying to convince everyone what is happening is good. Like head in sand.

The funniest thing is that they wanted British laws and the British govt to be in charge. Then the courts said that the referendum wasn't parliament passing law and that parliament has to do it, and they DON'T LIKE IT. i.e., they don't like the British govt being in charge. God, these people are like petulant children.

 

[Swagger]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

As the complexities of the debacle present themselves they are getting more and more angry. They have little idea what they voted for and lack the intelligence to discuss it in a constructive way. Their leaders have left them and all in all its a mess.

7 years of trade tariffs to trade in our biggest market should give anybody pause for thought. Not these dumb fuckers though.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

As the complexities of the debacle present themselves they are getting more and more angry. They have little idea what they voted for and lack the intelligence to discuss it in a constructive way. Their leaders have left them and all in all its a mess.

7 years of trade tariffs to trade in our biggest market should give anybody pause for thought. Not these dumb fuckers though.

Yeah, I don't like to insult, but a lot of English people, especially the English and the Welsh in there too, are miserable as fuck. They wanted Brexit the same way that someone wants the underdogs to win, they fought for it like they'd fight to win the Euros or something, and when they won they could celebrate, but we all know, you win a tournament, you cheer, then the realities of your miserable sad life come back to haunt you. So nothing changes, so you need something else to target your misery at.

The funny thing, having lived in non-first world countries and been to some pretty poor places in my time, is that it's all about hope. The Brits have everything, so there's nothing more to hope for, whereas the poor in countries that are progressing are more positive because they know they are going to be better than the generation before them, and their kids will be better than them. In the UK this isn't so, so they've merely made it even worse for the generations below them out of spite that they have no hope.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

As the complexities of the debacle present themselves they are getting more and more angry. They have little idea what they voted for and lack the intelligence to discuss it in a constructive way. Their leaders have left them and all in all its a mess.
7 years of trade tariffs to trade in our biggest market should give anybody pause for thought. Not these dumb fuckers though.

Yeah, I don't like to insult, but a lot of English people, especially the English and the Welsh in there too, are miserable as fuck. They wanted Brexit the same way that someone wants the underdogs to win, they fought for it like they'd fight to win the Euros or something, and when they won they could celebrate, but we all know, you win a tournament, you cheer, then the realities of your miserable sad life come back to haunt you. So nothing changes, so you need something else to target your misery at.

The funny thing, having lived in non-first world countries and been to some pretty poor places in my time, is that it's all about hope. The Brits have everything, so there's nothing more to hope for, whereas the poor in countries that are progressing are more positive because they know they are going to be better than the generation before them, and their kids will be better than them. In the UK this isn't so, so they've merely made it even worse for the generations below them out of spite that they have no hope.

The Witney by election was an interesting result. The Libs fought on an anti brexit ticket and saw their support jump.
Any intellectual case has evaporated and the only people left who support it are, as you say, losers. Except they struggle with the word lose and would describe us as "loosers".

What did we learn from the Witney by-election? | Coffee House

 

[frigidweirdo]

Poor Timmy. Still hasn't recovered from the almighty pimp slap sovereignty landed on globalism's face.

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

As the complexities of the debacle present themselves they are getting more and more angry. They have little idea what they voted for and lack the intelligence to discuss it in a constructive way. Their leaders have left them and all in all its a mess.
7 years of trade tariffs to trade in our biggest market should give anybody pause for thought. Not these dumb fuckers though.

Yeah, I don't like to insult, but a lot of English people, especially the English and the Welsh in there too, are miserable as fuck. They wanted Brexit the same way that someone wants the underdogs to win, they fought for it like they'd fight to win the Euros or something, and when they won they could celebrate, but we all know, you win a tournament, you cheer, then the realities of your miserable sad life come back to haunt you. So nothing changes, so you need something else to target your misery at.

The funny thing, having lived in non-first world countries and been to some pretty poor places in my time, is that it's all about hope. The Brits have everything, so there's nothing more to hope for, whereas the poor in countries that are progressing are more positive because they know they are going to be better than the generation before them, and their kids will be better than them. In the UK this isn't so, so they've merely made it even worse for the generations below them out of spite that they have no hope.

The Witney by election was an interesting result. The Libs fought on an anti brexit ticket and saw their support jump.
Any intellectual case has evaporated and the only people left who support it are, as you say, losers. Except they struggle with the word lose and would describe us as "loosers".

What did we learn from the Witney by-election? | Coffee House

Yeah, I think people have become this kind of passive about elections. They seem to care about the election, but in a way that isn't based on reality. They want it to give them this hope, not hope by having better leaders to run the country, but hope that they can win, like I said before. And this is what you're talking about by the support for the charisma of people like Farage and what he wants to stand for. I mean, even UKIP know Farage is all talk and no substance whatsoever.

 

[Tehon]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

Why did you think that? Everyone who knew anything about this knew the vote was non-binding.

It's funny how many people voted and yet had no idea what they were voting for.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

 

[Tehon]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

Why did you think that? Everyone who knew anything about this knew the vote was non-binding.

It's funny how many people voted and yet had no idea what they were voting for.

Why have a vote at all if not to express the will of the people. It was a simple question that needed no interpreting and the people voted to leave. Granted there are difficulties in doing so, I don't understand your criticism of those who complain that the government is not doing what they wanted.


Voters will now be given an amended question:

• Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

The answer options will be now be either:

• Remain a member of the European Union
• Leave the European Union

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

Why did you think that? Everyone who knew anything about this knew the vote was non-binding.

It's funny how many people voted and yet had no idea what they were voting for.

Why have a vote at all if not to express the will of the people. It was a simple question that needed no interpreting and the people voted to leave. Granted there are difficulties in doing so, I don't understand your criticism of those who complain that the government is not doing what they wanted.


Voters will now be given an amended question:

• Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

The answer options will be now be either:

• Remain a member of the European Union
• Leave the European Union

It was far from a simple question.

 

[Tehon]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

Whose fault is it that EU membership wasn't renegotiated before the referendum as Cameron pledged?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

Whose fault is it that EU membership wasn't renegotiated before the referendum as Cameron pledged?

Mainly Camerons. He tried to renegotiate the deal but the Euros werent having it. He should have shown some leadership and pulled the referendum.

The EU has been a problem for the tories for decades. The referendum was a sop to the loons in his party. It backfired in a massive way.

Cameron did not envisage losing the vote and failed to map out a strategy for brexit. If he had done this then he could have presented a better set of options to the people. He should go into a quiet room and put a bullet through his own head.

 

[Tehon]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

Whose fault is it that EU membership wasn't renegotiated before the referendum as Cameron pledged?

Mainly Camerons. He tried to renegotiate the deal but the Euros werent having it. He should have shown some leadership and pulled the referendum.

The EU has been a problem for the tories for decades. The referendum was a sop to the loons in his party. It backfired in a massive way.

Cameron did not envisage losing the vote and failed to map out a strategy for brexit. If he had done this then he could have presented a better set of options to the people. He should go into a quiet room and put a bullet through his own head.

That is a bit extreme I think. He should have stuck around and carried out the will of the people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

Why did you think that? Everyone who knew anything about this knew the vote was non-binding.

It's funny how many people voted and yet had no idea what they were voting for.

Why have a vote at all if not to express the will of the people. It was a simple question that needed no interpreting and the people voted to leave. Granted there are difficulties in doing so, I don't understand your criticism of those who complain that the government is not doing what they wanted.


Voters will now be given an amended question:

• Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

The answer options will be now be either:

• Remain a member of the European Union
• Leave the European Union

Well, there are various ways to show "the will of the people", was it "the will of the people" or was it merely populism at its worst?

The point was, the UK doesn't have any legal process for referenda to be legally binding. You thought it was. Well you were wrong. Just as you thought voting out would be good, again, you were wrong.

You don't understand my criticism?

Okay. People say "we need to take back control". Why? Too much immigration. Too many pakistanis coming over. Who had the control over letting in Africans, Pakistanis, Muslims etc? The UK govt. When the UK was letting in Poles, other countries put up restrictions. Who had this control? The UK govt. So many immigrants wait at Calais to go to the UK, why? Because of the welfare system of the UK which was made by the UK govt. Whose fault is that? The UK govts. And yet the Brexit people were so desperate for "sovereignty", they even wanted to declare the day the vote happened as the UK independence day, what trashy talk. The UK had loads of sovereignty, and that it didn't have wasn't actually being run that badly. The EU has it's problems, I'm not going to say it doesn't, but most of the problems are at the UK govt level or lower.

But hey, they wanted the UK govt to have FULL CONTROL. Which they've now basically got. Except for the fact that the EU govt is now strong and can dictate its terms massively. Either the UK enters agreements which are going to be in favor of the EU or the UK is going to suffer. Simple as.

But now they UK govt has control, and the UK govt set things up so the referendum was not legally binding, the Brexit people have a problem with THE DECISION OF THE UK GOVT. The very govt they decided was best placed to actually run things in the first place. You know, the govt that let in all those immigrants in the first place.

Understand?

I don't understand the purpose of the last part of your message.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

Whose fault is it that EU membership wasn't renegotiated before the referendum as Cameron pledged?

Perhaps the UK govt's fault, you know, the one we now trust to do the right thing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sovereignty huh? That's why the Brexit people are complaining about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT not "carrying out their wishes" now huh? You wanted it, you wanted the govt in charge, so why do you complain when the govt doesn't do what you want them to do?

I thought the vote was to force the government to carry out the will of the people, i.e. leave the EU.

The outers made many promises that were lies and people voted on that.

For example they claimed that we would save £350m a week which would go to the NHS. It was a lie but incredibly seductive.

The reality of it is now dawning and if the referendum was run today there would be a landslide for remain.

The government should come back to the people with the terms that they want from brexit. People ,having been asked to approve the principle, should then be able to approve the detail.

That seems to me to be an excellent example of "taking back control".

Of course the brexiters are a bit sniffy about that aspect of democracy. Primarily because they would lose. Or "loose" as they would say.

Whose fault is it that EU membership wasn't renegotiated before the referendum as Cameron pledged?

Mainly Camerons. He tried to renegotiate the deal but the Euros werent having it. He should have shown some leadership and pulled the referendum.

The EU has been a problem for the tories for decades. The referendum was a sop to the loons in his party. It backfired in a massive way.

Cameron did not envisage losing the vote and failed to map out a strategy for brexit. If he had done this then he could have presented a better set of options to the people. He should go into a quiet room and put a bullet through his own head.

That is a bit extreme I think. He should have stuck around and carried out the will of the people.

It was probably an issue of pride, but also an issue of trying to hold together a load of conflicting views and power options. Look at UKIP, their new leader didn't last a few weeks, why not? Because there are those who will try and sabotage anything and everything, miserable bastards with nothing better to do that "win" at all costs.

He probably felt he didn't have the power to hold off the attacks from those who didn't like him, and would do anything they could to get rid of him to put their own people in place. Seeing as he was against Brexit and the Brexit lot had "won", then they would have put massive pressure. Also, he didn't want Brexit, how was he going to negotiate something he didn't want?

It'd be like a vegetarian going to a steak restaurant and having to order good meals for a bunch of people, half vegetarian and half meat eaters, and be expected to know what tasted good for the meat eaters, and knowing the veggies were going to get nothing.