Organ Donors Beware!!

[hadit]

A new report has the claim that premature organ transplants have endangered donors.

Organ donors’ lives endangered by rushed transplant procedures, investigation finds

RFK Jr. vows to fix ‘horrifying’ organ transplant system after troubling findings.

nypost.com

"Several families have stated that surgeons attempted to initiate organ retrievals while patients were still alive or improving, as noted in a July 20 report from The New York Times."

The good news is you are not really dying, the bad news, we took your liver. OOPS!

There are two teams of doctors involved in organ transplants. The way it's supposed to work is the first team is focused on treating the patient with the goal of saving their life. Only when they determine that the patient is literally brain dead with no cognitive function or pain response at all do they turn them over to the transplant team, whose goal is to harvest the organs safely for transplant. Two teams with opposing goals are supposed to produce the best outcome. You are not supposed to, for example, have a transplant surgeon working to treat a potential donor, as his priority may lean towards ensuring the healthiest transplantable organs instead of saving the patient's life. Nor should you have a regular doctor harvesting organs for the same reasons, as his priority may lean towards treating a dead patient, only to render the organs unusable.

That's the way it's supposed to work, but doctors are human and make mistakes. They can also be swayed by bribes from a potential recipient desperate to save Aunt Susan's life, even if it costs someone else theirs. We put in place safeguards that are supposed to protect patients' rights, but they don't always work. I had a decade plus experience working in the organization that does all the organ matching in the US, so have some knowledge on this.

 

[hadit]

Those at fault are MAGA doctors after the big buck, screw the patient!

Go away, you're not entertaining.

 

[hadit]

The topic was about here in the US. Other countries don't follow our procedures.

I too had a problem that my liver would fail just enough to make me sick all the time but not enough to get me higher on the transplant list. I was kept off the list because of a heart condition that required cardiac artery stents and had me on blood thinners for 6 months. They can't cut you open from stem to stern if you will bleed to death.

I also suffered from hepatic encephalopathy where ammonia buildup in your liver causes you brain to trip offline. I spent three days in a coma thanks to that, and they put me on meds to prevent it. A subsequent minor episode put me in Vanderbilt where they found my liver function was worse enough to move me up to number 1 on the list. They said it could take months, but I was given a new liver 10 days later because I got a matching blood type.

You live in California? Maybe that's the problem!

Glad you got the liver.

That list is built brand new for every donor organ that becomes available. I optimized the code that generates it and maintained the health of the database it was generated from. We had SLA's around how long it takes to create the new lists, because time is of the essence, especially for organs like livers and hearts. Kidneys can survive much longer before being transplanted.

There is no fixed list, but it is true that you have to be at a particular level of sickness to pop up at the top of the list for a compatible organ. Not very sick means you are prioritized lower because you will live longer without the transplant than others who are sicker, and too sick also means you are prioritized lower because you have a higher chance of dying in the surgery, thus wasting the organ.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nature's way of saying your time is up but mankind plays God with medical technology. Do you have a comfortable quality of life?

I'm a Brit and the rules changed here. Initially you had to sign up to be an organ donor, then it changed and everyone was automatically signed up as a donor. So I had to contact the NHS to be removed off the donor organ list. I came into the world with my bits, and I'll go out with them too.

I have a great life. I just drove 6 hours back from Ohio after I took my grandson to the USAF museum where we walked for about 5 hours. I couldn't walk through Walmart before my transplant. I do my own yardwork and haven't seen a doctor for more than just a checkup since May.

My liver failure was likely caused by poisoning by chemicals I was exposed to during my military service. I thank God that he gave man the power to correct these errors. I nearly died twice during the process, so I am very glad to be here.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

28 people were alive when they were surgically murdered. https://archive.is/1o78n

This is what horror movies are made of.

You have to be very suspect of reports like this because, as I told you, my donor was technically very much "alive" if you consider his heart was still beating. That is not considered alive if there is no brain activity.

I don't know about the specific example cited, but someone should go to jail for murder if the story is true, and I would be amazed why they did not. More than one doctor has to concur that a patient is in fact dead when they are in a hospital.

When your brain stops functioning, the organs in your body mostly start a slow deterioration that makes them unusable for donation if you wait too long. If no intervention is made, you will eventually die as your organs fail.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Glad you got the liver.

That list is built brand new for every donor organ that becomes available. I optimized the code that generates it and maintained the health of the database it was generated from. We had SLA's around how long it takes to create the new lists, because time is of the essence, especially for organs like livers and hearts. Kidneys can survive much longer before being transplanted.

There is no fixed list, but it is true that you have to be at a particular level of sickness to pop up at the top of the list for a compatible organ. Not very sick means you are prioritized lower because you will live longer without the transplant than others who are sicker, and too sick also means you are prioritized lower because you have a higher chance of dying in the surgery, thus wasting the organ.

Thank you! Livers transplant lists are generated by the MELD score by blood type and are long standing. I moved up the list when my condition deteriorated. Vanderbilt University hospital notified the University of Kentucky hospital of the change, and I was then notified a few days later that I was at the top of the list for my blood type. My transplant coordinators could tell me where I was on the list on any given day. I was given a status update every time my MELD score changed. That is why it was important that my MELD score be up to date, as it was checked every time I went to the doctor for care which was usually no longer than monthly.

 

[hadit]

Thank you! Livers transplant lists are generated by the MELD score by blood type and are long standing. I moved up the list when my condition deteriorated. Vanderbilt University hospital notified the University of Kentucky hospital of the change, and I was then notified a few days later that I was at the top of the list for my blood type. My transplant coordinators could tell me where I was on the list on any given day. I was given a status update every time my MELD score changed. That is why it was important that my MELD score be up to date, as it was checked every time I went to the doctor for care which was usually no longer than monthly.

The liver list is smaller than the kidney list, and being a normal person puts you at low odds to get a compatible liver close enough to your hospital to get you and the organ in the same place at the same time for a successful transplant. You are fortunate indeed.

There was a very wealthy, very famous man who rigged the system to get a liver. He was wealthy enough that he went to every OPO in the country and registered for a liver under different names. OPO's are forbidden to share patient lists unless they have a formal agreement and UNOS doesn't really try to identify patients until after the transplant for research purposes, so he had no problem doing it without raising any red flags. When a compatible liver became available, he simply flew from California to Tennessee on his private jet, got the transplant, then bought a house in the area to recuperate in for a month. You probably know who I'm talking about.

About identification, we did not know VP Cheney was on the heart list until after the fact because he was listed under an alias.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The liver list is smaller than the kidney list, and being a normal person puts you at low odds to get a compatible liver close enough to your hospital to get you and the organ in the same place at the same time for a successful transplant. You are fortunate indeed.

There was a very wealthy, very famous man who rigged the system to get a liver. He was wealthy enough that he went to every OPO in the country and registered for a liver under different names. OPO's are forbidden to share patient lists unless they have a formal agreement and UNOS doesn't really try to identify patients until after the transplant for research purposes, so he had no problem doing it without raising any red flags. When a compatible liver became available, he simply flew from California to Tennessee on his private jet, got the transplant, then bought a house in the area to recuperate in for a month. You probably know who I'm talking about.

About identification, we did not know VP Cheney was on the heart list until after the fact because he was listed under an alias.

That was intentional, so they could be sure he would not get preferential treatment. I think you have been hoaxed.

No, I don't know who you are talking about and apparently neither do you because you could easily have said who it was. Again, I think you have been hoaxed.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You have to be very suspect of reports like this because, as I told you, my donor was technically very much "alive" if you consider his heart was still beating. That is not considered alive if there is no brain activity.

I don't know about the specific example cited, but someone should go to jail for murder if the story is true, and I would be amazed why they did not. More than one doctor has to concur that a patient is in fact dead when they are in a hospital.

When your brain stops functioning, the organs in your body mostly start a slow deterioration that makes them unusable for donation if you wait too long. If no intervention is made, you will eventually die as your organs fail.

I hesitate to be suspect of 28 separate reports.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I hesitate to be suspect of 28 separate reports.

That would be 28 out of how many thousands?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I have a great life. I just drove 6 hours back from Ohio after I took my grandson to the USAF museum where we walked for about 5 hours. I couldn't walk through Walmart before my transplant. I do my own yardwork and haven't seen a doctor for more than just a checkup since May.

My liver failure was likely caused by poisoning by chemicals I was exposed to during my military service. I thank God that he gave man the power to correct these errors. I nearly died twice during the process, so I am very glad to be here.

Good on you!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That would be 28 out of how many thousands?

It doesn't matter. Deliberately killing someone to steal their organs doesn't get a pass. This is the kind of poison that spreads the more the guilty are allowed to get away with it.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

As a donated organ recipient, something stinks with this story. I was notified that a donor liver had been made available at 4 pm on a Saturday afternoon. I traveled 4 1/2 hours to the hospital that night, arriving at about 1030 pm. I was told to prepare for the surgery and they would let me sleep until it was time. I was awakened the next morning and told that the surgery would be delayed, possible until noon because the organ had not been harvested at that time. At approximately 1030 am, I was taken to pre-op where I consulted with the doctors doing the procedure. I was then told it might be a little later as the organ had not arrived. At about 1245 I was told the organ has arrived and I would be taken into surgery. Because of the huge time delay, it was obvious, my donor was still alive but had no chance of recovery so they waited as long as possible to ensure I was ready and waiting when it arrived. I was later told one of my doctors had traveled to the site of the donor to verify the condition of the liver that was described to me as perfect. He traveled with the organ back to my hospital from out of state.

The irony of this story is that it mentions Kentucky and I know of only two hospitals in that state that do transplants, and I was in one of them.

My understanding is that most transplant patients are basically brain dead, but their other functions are normal due to a brain injury. The reason motorcycle riders who ride without helmets are called "organ donors". In almost every case, there is no hope of recovery.

My liver came from a 17-year-old boy named Joshua whose mother wanted part of him to live on.

My transplant team told me my kidney transplant will be $500,000. They said I would be responsible for part of the surgery costs..They suggested I get a supplemental plan and I have one now, I am very lucky the Kidney Grant is paying for the monthly cost of now $142.50.

I knew 2 dialysis friends who were called in for a kidney. something was wrong with the first kidney and they were denied. The second one (she died later) they told her she was not healthy enough for a kidney, She had COPD and diabetes. She left the center and went to the mall and shopped. Not sure I would be in the mood for shopping.....

I tell everyone, until you hit that surgery table, you can be denied, sent home or refused a kidney. Wait until they have examined your donor kidney.

 

[TimFitz]

You watch too many horror movies! The guidelines to even accept a donation are very strict MEDICALLY! STFU please!

Since you usually embrace and repeat dodgy stories like this,one wonder if you wouldn’t have fallen for it (as your Trump colleagues did), too.

This story is intended to draw eyeballs by scaring people.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

A new report has the claim that premature organ transplants have endangered donors.

Organ donors’ lives endangered by rushed transplant procedures, investigation finds

RFK Jr. vows to fix ‘horrifying’ organ transplant system after troubling findings.

nypost.com

"Several families have stated that surgeons attempted to initiate organ retrievals while patients were still alive or improving, as noted in a July 20 report from The New York Times."

The good news is you are not really dying, the bad news, we took your liver. OOPS!

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I've been hearing such things for about 10 years. Glad the MSM is possibly catching up.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

WTF? Hey man how about waiting for a flatline or something Geez!!

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It's kind of why they invented the term "brain death". If the brain is dead, they can go ahead and cut away, while the heart still beats.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I've thought about this years ago after talking to a nurse that was a friend.
She suggested not have the donate on the drivers license, but to have my wife
offer up an organ in the event of my death. Problem solved.

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I always make sure that it's clear whenever I get a new license -- no donation.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Those at fault are MAGA doctors after the big buck, screw the patient!

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Can't have anything bad in the world unless it's related to Trump.

Y'all are so simple.




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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It doesn't matter. Deliberately killing someone to steal their organs doesn't get a pass. This is the kind of poison that spreads the more the guilty are allowed to get away with it.

That is criminal and should be prosecuted. It probably hasn't been because nobody can prove it. There has to be a paperwork trail on these things.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My transplant team told me my kidney transplant will be $500,000. They said I would be responsible for part of the surgery costs..They suggested I get a supplemental plan and I have one now, I am very lucky the Kidney Grant is paying for the monthly cost of now $142.50.

I knew 2 dialysis friends who were called in for a kidney. something was wrong with the first kidney and they were denied. The second one (she died later) they told her she was not healthy enough for a kidney, She had COPD and diabetes. She left the center and went to the mall and shopped. Not sure I would be in the mood for shopping.....

I tell everyone, until you hit that surgery table, you can be denied, sent home or refused a kidney. Wait until they have examined your donor kidney.

My donor LIVER was described by my doctors who performed the surgery as perfect. As I said it came from a 17-year-old who didn't have time to mess it up. Kidneys are a crap shoot because most come from cadaver donors.

When I was enrolled in the program, I had to swear I would not use alcohol or drugs at any time thereafter, despite the fact I never had in the 20+ years before. They tested me for drugs and alcohol at every visit, before and after the transplant for the first year. I went through the screening process that required two full days of hospital testing. They did multiple x-rays including dental work. I had to have lung capacity and bone density tests as well. As I mentioned before, they found partially clogged cardiac arteries and I had 5 stents placed and did 6 months of blood thinners before I could be listed. Then, my liver function was not severe enough to cause my MELD score to be high enough. I underwent paracentesis on an almost weekly basis to remove fluid buildup in my abdomen, and I also had two bouts of hepatic encephalopathy.

My wife's insurance policy from her employment paid for my treatment and the transplant while I was on COBRA coverage after she retired. When I left that coverage in December 2023, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield had spent approximately $3 million dollars for my medical costs. I am now covered by the VA pf the last year and a half. My head of surgery for my transplant and my VA doctor have collaborated on a significant paper regarding organ donor programs, so I trusted them with my life and they came through!