Operation Iron Swords (מבצע חרבות ברזל)

[toomuchtime_]

"Israel's defence minister has said troops will remain in so-called security zones they have established by seizing large areas of Gaza even after an end to the war.

Israel Katz said the zones would provide a "buffer" to protect Israeli communities "in any temporary or permanent situation", and that "tens of per cent" of the Palestinian territory had been added since the Israeli offensive resumed three weeks ago.

Israel would continue its six-week blockade of humanitarian aid to pressure Hamas to release hostages, he said, despite the UN warning of "devastating" consequences."

Israel will remain in Gaza 'security zones' after war, minister says

Israel Katz said Israel would continue its six-week blockade of all supplies, despite the UN warning of "devastating" consequences.

www.bbc.com

What does the term, end of the war, mean? Islam has been at war against Jews since the seventh century when Jews were declared second class citizens across the Arab world, subject to special taxes and legal restrictions and special humiliations about the way they dressed and what activities they were allowed to participate in, and these abominable laws were enforced throughout the Arab world for over 1400 years and were applied with renewed force in 1920 when Britain took control over Palestine, and in 1948 the Arab war against Jews became also the Arab war against Israel. If this war ever ends, it likely will not be within any of our lifetimes.

The current conflict in Gaza is just another instance of this ancient Arab war against Jews and no "permanent" ceasefire is going to end it. The current Israeli government understands this and is no longer willing to try to pacify and deter Arab attacks but now sees the destruction of the so called Palestinians ability to strike Israel as the only viable long term method of protecting Israelis from Aran attacks from Gaza. Considering that in a year and a half of fighting, Israel has only destroyed about 25% of the tunnel complexes, it will be at least another four years before it makes any sense to talk about the end of the war, but even then, the necessity to prevent the Palestinians from rearming will Israeli security control over Gaza for the foreseeable future.

Similarly, Israel's current policy toward Syria and Lebanon has changed from mere deterrence to active destruction of their capabilities to strike against Israel and to destroy any effort from Turkey of Iran to establish terrorist bases to attack Israel. As a part of this new policy, those buffer zones will remain permanent.

 

[Bleipriester]

What does the term, end of the war, mean? Islam has been at war against Jews since the seventh century when Jews were declared second class citizens across the Arab world, subject to special taxes and legal restrictions and special humiliations about the way they dressed and what activities they were allowed to participate in, and these abominable laws were enforced throughout the Arab world for over 1400 years and were applied with renewed force in 1920 when Britain took control over Palestine, and in 1948 the Arab war against Jews became also the Arab war against Israel. If this war ever ends, it likely will not be within any of our lifetimes.

The current conflict in Gaza is just another instance of this ancient Arab war against Jews and no "permanent" ceasefire is going to end it. The current Israeli government understands this and is no longer willing to try to pacify and deter Arab attacks but now sees the destruction of the so called Palestinians ability to strike Israel as the only viable long term method of protecting Israelis from Aran attacks from Gaza. Considering that in a year and a half of fighting, Israel has only destroyed about 25% of the tunnel complexes, it will be at least another four years before it makes any sense to talk about the end of the war, but even then, the necessity to prevent the Palestinians from rearming will Israeli security control over Gaza for the foreseeable future.

Similarly, Israel's current policy toward Syria and Lebanon has changed from mere deterrence to active destruction of their capabilities to strike against Israel and to destroy any effort from Turkey of Iran to establish terrorist bases to attack Israel. As a part of this new policy, those buffer zones will remain permanent.

As for Gaza, that is what I always said. But applying the same for Lebanon and Syria, plus striking Iran is too much of an escalation. If those forces there keep calm, there is no need to permanently occupy their soil. That would only give Palestine-Westeners reasons think they are right.
The goal of Operation Northern Swords was to stop the shelling. It is over.
Now it is the right thing to not to make Syria reconsider their stance towards Hezbollah and re-allow arms deliveries. I know, those are Al-Qaida fanatics in Damascus but as long as they stay in their playground, we just have to accept this reality. Hamas, on the other hand has proven they want to expand their playground and therefor has to go.

 

[toomuchtime_]

As for Gaza, that is what I always said. But applying the same for Lebanon and Syria, plus striking Iran is too much of an escalation. If those forces there keep calm, there is no need to permanently occupy their soil. That would only give Palestine-Westeners reasons think they are right.
The goal of Operation Northern Swords was to stop the shelling. It is over.
Now it is the right thing to not to make Syria reconsider their stance towards Hezbollah and re-allow arms deliveries. I know, those are Al-Qaida fanatics in Damascus but as long as they stay in their playground, we just have to accept this reality. Hamas, on the other hand has proven they want to expand their playground and therefor has to go.

You are espousing the old policy of deterrence which has clearly failed not only in Gaza but also in Lebanon and Syria and also in Iran. The Arab war against Jews is ancient and to the Arabs, ceasefires are merely pauses in which to rearm for the next round of fighting. Israel has abandoned Netanyahu's old policy of quiet for quiet as plan for endless war with short pauses to rearm for the next round of fighting. Lebanon has stopped bombing northern Israel for now, but Iran and Hezbollah and their allies within the Lebanese government are working hard to rebuild Hezbollah's arsenal so the fighting can start again. If Israel could have gone after Hezbollah as relentlessly in 2006, as it has now, Hezbollah never would have been able to bomb northern Israel in this war. Quiet for quiet may have been sound policy when Israel was still too weak to destroy its enemies' military capabilities' but now that it can, quiet for quiet or deterrence would simply be irresponsible of the Israeli government.

There are no definable consequences from what you call Israeli "escalation".

 

[Bleipriester]

You are espousing the old policy of deterrence which has clearly failed not only in Gaza but also in Lebanon and Syria and also in Iran. The Arab war against Jews is ancient and to the Arabs, ceasefires are merely pauses in which to rearm for the next round of fighting. Israel has abandoned Netanyahu's old policy of quiet for quiet as plan for endless war with short pauses to rearm for the next round of fighting. Lebanon has stopped bombing northern Israel for now, but Iran and Hezbollah and their allies within the Lebanese government are working hard to rebuild Hezbollah's arsenal so the fighting can start again. If Israel could have gone after Hezbollah as relentlessly in 2006, as it has now, Hezbollah never would have been able to bomb northern Israel in this war. Quiet for quiet may have been sound policy when Israel was still too weak to destroy its enemies' military capabilities' but now that it can, quiet for quiet or deterrence would simply be irresponsible of the Israeli government.

There are no definable consequences from what you call Israeli "escalation".

Yes, there are. There are agreements. If Israel does not adhere to these agreements, that provides a reason for Hezbollah to renew the conflict. The solution seems simple: Gaza and the Jerusalem issue are the main reasons for the conflicts there. So if the property situation has been solved, Gaza and Jerusalem belong to Israel, the conflict might just fade away over time.
If that is not the case, then additional steps are justified.
For now, neither Hezbollah nor Syria (+Turkey) nor Iran are any longer involved in the Gaza war. And it is the best thing to keep it this way.
Imagine, Trump is about to sell F-35 to Turkey.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, there are. There are agreements. If Israel does not adhere to these agreements, that provides a reason for Hezbollah to renew the conflict. The solution seems simple: Gaza and the Jerusalem issue are the main reasons for the conflicts there. So if the property situation has been solved, Gaza and Jerusalem belong to Israel, the conflict might just fade away over time.
If that is not the case, then additional steps are justified.
For now, neither Hezbollah nor Syria (+Turkey) nor Iran are any longer involved in the Gaza war. And it is the best thing to keep it this way.
Imagine, Trump is about to sell F-35 to Turkey.

Hezbollah did not stop attacking Israel because of any agreement, but because of the deep losses the IDF inflicted on them, and it would be irresponsive of the Israeli government to allow them to rearm, and it would be irresponsible of Israel to trust the Syrian government to keep Israel safe from attacks.

The conflicts in Gaza or with Lebanon and Iran are simply battles in the Arab war on Jews and later also on Israel that has been going on for 1400 years and there are no diplomatic solutions to this conflict. If it were not for Israel's military strength, the Arabs from all the surrounding countries would come pouring across Israel's borders as they did on Oct 7 regardless of any agreements and if there are no agreements they will not because of the severe consequences the IDF would inflict upon them if they did. The destruction of Israel and the persecution of the Jews are core values of Islamic culture, law and religion and they will not be deterred as long as they believe they have the military power to do serious harm to Israel and that means the only logical strategy for Israel to follow is to assure the Arabs do not have that power.

 

[Pastelli]

All 12 accounts by the ARAB -ist, pro jihadists (repeating something about "paid"), created not far from each other. As pairs... reacting with "fake news", to the very same posts...and fast. As they're no newbies..


(Under most of his accounts he replies to theards "words that start with..." in order to 'upgrade' the account/s):

• Dean F (with Hitler worshipping Aug 18, 2024), is also:
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• todd down under (Sep 15, 2024);
• Hondo 50 (Sep 18, 2024);
• lech (Oct 13, 2024);
• log cabin republican (Aug 4, 2024);
• annalise (Dec 8. 2024);
• Davebb (Jan 11, 2025) and
• No Way (Jan 26, 2025).
• S.S. another hint in liking the Nazis, (Feb 6, 2025).
• stockhome (Feb 11, 2025).
• stevez (Apr 14, 2025).
  
  

Among other accounts

 

[Bleipriester]

Hezbollah did not stop attacking Israel because of any agreement, but because of the deep losses the IDF inflicted on them, and it would be irresponsive of the Israeli government to allow them to rearm, and it would be irresponsible of Israel to trust the Syrian government to keep Israel safe from attacks.

The maintenance of positions in Lebanon Israel agreed to leave does not prevent Hezbollah from rearming. And I am not talking about trust in the Syrian government but about the possible consequences of provoking this government. I did not question the occupation of Syrian soil by the IDF because the Israeli government said it will end as soon an agreement has been reached with the Syrian government. But how much is such an agreement now worth for Damascus? It is pointless for now.

The conflicts in Gaza or with Lebanon and Iran are simply battles in the Arab war on Jews and later also on Israel that has been going on for 1400 years and there are no diplomatic solutions to this conflict. If it were not for Israel's military strength, the Arabs from all the surrounding countries would come pouring across Israel's borders as they did on Oct 7 regardless of any agreements and if there are no agreements they will not because of the severe consequences the IDF would inflict upon them if they did. The destruction of Israel and the persecution of the Jews are core values of Islamic culture, law and religion and they will not be deterred as long as they believe they have the military power to do serious harm to Israel and that means the only logical strategy for Israel to follow is to assure the Arabs do not have that power.

That is probably true but does not absolve Israel from adhering to agreements made.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The maintenance of positions in Lebanon Israel agreed to leave does not prevent Hezbollah from rearming. And I am not talking about trust in the Syrian government but about the possible consequences of provoking this government. I did not question the occupation of Syrian soil by the IDF because the Israeli government said it will end as soon an agreement has been reached with the Syrian government. But how much is such an agreement now worth for Damascus? It is pointless for now.



That is probably true but does not absolve Israel from adhering to agreements made.

There are no agreements between Israel and the Syrian government and the agreement with Lebanon requires Lebanon to remove all Hezbollah fighters and weapons from southern Lebanon, and while the government of Lebanon seems to be making some efforts to accomplish that, it is far from completing the task and there is no reason to think it is strong enough to succeed against Hezbollah. It is worth noting that the terms of the ceasefire with Lebanon are exactly the same as UN resolution 1701 which Lebanon agreed to in 2006 but never abided by. Again, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government to withdraw from its current positions in Lebanon until the government of Lebanon has demonstrated both its will to prevent attacks on Israel from its territory and its ability to do so.

Deterrence is no longer a viable option for Israel, and it has been replaced by a policy of active destruction of the military capabilities of its enemies.

 

[Bleipriester]

There are no agreements between Israel and the Syrian government and the agreement with Lebanon requires Lebanon to remove all Hezbollah fighters and weapons from southern Lebanon, and while the government of Lebanon seems to be making some efforts to accomplish that, it is far from completing the task and there is no reason to think it is strong enough to succeed against Hezbollah. It is worth noting that the terms of the ceasefire with Lebanon are exactly the same as UN resolution 1701 which Lebanon agreed to in 2006 but never abided by. Again, it would be irresponsible of the Israeli government to withdraw from its current positions in Lebanon until the government of Lebanon has demonstrated both its will to prevent attacks on Israel from its territory and its ability to do so.

Deterrence is no longer a viable option for Israel, and it has been replaced by a policy of active destruction of the military capabilities of its enemies.

I never said there is an agreement with Damascus. Read again. And there are no reports about Hezbollah not adhering to the agreement.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I never said there is an agreement with Damascus. Read again. And there are no reports about Hezbollah not adhering to the agreement.

The agreement is not with Hezbollah but with Lebanon and so far the Lebanese government has not removed all Hezbollah fighters and weapons from southern Lebanon and it is not clear it will be able to if Hezbollah resists, so until the Lebanese government demonstrates the will and ability to control Hezbollah, Israel will continue to hold whatever territory it deems necessary for its defense. If the Lebanese government could control Hezbollah, northern Israel would not have been bombed.