Operation Iron Swords (מבצע חרבות ברזל)

[Lisa558]

The problem is the imbalance of the deal. Israel is being forced to release hundreds of Palestinian terrorists in exchange for a few innocent Israeli hostages, meaning that the terrorists will just rebuild HAMAS and commit another Oct 7 massacre.

 

[ESay]

meaning that the terrorists will just rebuild HAMAS and commit another Oct 7 massacre.

Actually, that was told from the very beginning. You can't defeat Hamas, because Hamas is an idea first and foremost. I read a couple of days ago that Hamas had recruited 15 000 new members lately (don't know though, it may well be fake news). Anyway, if you push the Palestinian Arabs from Gaza into Egypt and Jordan, they will definitely organise their military cells there and attack Israel once again.

 

[Lisa558]

Actually, that was told from the very beginning. You can't defeat Hamas, because Hamas is an idea first and foremost. I read a couple of days ago that Hamas had recruited 15 000 new members lately (don't know though, it may well be fake news). Anyway, if you push the Palestinian Arabs from Gaza into Egypt and Jordan, they will definitely organise their military cells there and attack Israel once again.

So what’s the answer?

 

[gipper]

So what’s the answer?

Simple, but you’ll never understand. Stop killing Palestinians and stealing their land. Terminate the Zionist apartheid regime. Impose two states.

 

[ESay]

So what’s the answer?

My answer is the opposite of what Trump proposes. Make out of the Gaza Strip a sovereign Arab nation, without economic restrictions, demilitarised, with international supervision concerning security matters.

 

[José]

Impose two states.

BOOMERANG SOLUTION:

Forcing the palestinian people to "accept" the ethnic enclaves of Gaza and the WB as real, legitimate homelands upon which to build their country, without defeating their cause first, without crushing their national identity.

Just like a boomerang, this "solution" will eventually return to its starting point (palestinian rockets falling on Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and periodic freedom raids against the jewish racial dictatorship).

 

[José]

Make out of the Gaza Strip a sovereign Arab nation.

BOOMERANG SOLUTION VERSION 2.0:

Strongarming the palestinian people to treat an ethnocratic racial corral imposed on them by a racial dictatorship as if it were a functional country built on their legitimate, historical homeland without killing enough palestinians first to destroy their national identity and make them lose their will to fight for their homeland.

Obvious result:

Palestinian rockets falling on Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv in 2040 (if not much sooner).

 

[José]

My wife Lisa asks:

So what’s the answer?​

There are only 2 solutions:

1) MORALLY DEPRAVED SOLUTION (preferred by racist Jews and super patriotic american clowns):

Defeat the palestinian people militarily... using any means necessary:

Carpet bombing, imposition of economic hardship, famine, dissemination of pestilence, etc... to eliminate their will to fight for their national identity built on their historical struggle against the colonization of their entire homeland.

2) MORALLY SUPERIOR SOLUTION:

DECOLONIZATION

 

[Lisa558]

My answer is the opposite of what Trump proposes. Make out of the Gaza Strip a sovereign Arab nation, without economic restrictions, demilitarised, with international supervision concerning security matters.

1) But they’ve shown they cannot be economically successful on their own, and will still depend on Israel supplying them water, electricity, and more.

2) They also have refused to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist and supported HAMAS’ refusal of a land deal more than once. Why should Israel be forced to do this after the Oct 7th massacre, which most of the Gazans supported? They actually cheered!

3) How can we rely on “international” supervision when so much of the world hates Israel and sides with the Gazans?

 

[Lisa558]

My wife Lisa asks:

So what’s the answer?​

There are only 2 solutions:

1) MORALLY DEPRAVED SOLUTION (preferred by racist Jews and super patriotic american clowns):

Defeat the palestinian people militarily... using any means necessary:

Carpet bombing, imposition of economic hardship, famine, dissemination of pestilence, etc... to eliminate their will to fight for their national identity built on their historical struggle against the colonization of their entire homeland.

2) MORALLY SUPERIOR SOLUTION:

DECOLONIZATION

^^^ Antisemitic Israel-haters should not be the ones to come up with the solution.

And why do you call me your wife? I wouldn’t have married an antisemite.

 

[Shusha]

DECOLONIZATION

You mean decolonize the Arabs from the territory? Very well, we accept.

(In case this is not obvious, this is sarcasm. I do not support the ethnic cleansing of anyone from any territory based on their ethnicity.)

 

[Shusha]

Impose two states.

A state was already imposed on Gaza in 2005. If we are to try that again, what would it look like?

 

[Shusha]

My answer is the opposite of what Trump proposes. Make out of the Gaza Strip a sovereign Arab nation, without economic restrictions, demilitarised, with international supervision concerning security matters.

Could you clarify what you mean by "economic restrictions"?

How would international supervision concerning security matters work? Who would take responsibility for ensuring that tunnels were not being rebuilt, that weapons were not being imported, that Gazans were not flying to Iran for training, etc.

Israel is the only State with a vested interest in ensuring Gaza remains without military capacity. I would suggest that Israel should therefore administer Gaza as a separate province of Israel for the next say, fifty years. In fifty years, Gaza votes for independence or to remain part of Israel.

 

[Lisa558]

Could you clarify what you mean by "economic restrictions"?

How would international supervision concerning security matters work? Who would take responsibility for ensuring that tunnels were not being rebuilt, that weapons were not being imported, that Gazans were not flying to Iran for training, etc.

Israel is the only State with a vested interest in ensuring Gaza remains without military capacity. I would suggest that Israel should therefore administer Gaza as a separate province of Israel for the next say, fifty years. In fifty years, Gaza votes for independence or to remain part of Israel.

He probably means the U.N. should provide the international supervision.

If it were up to him, he would have put Himmler in charge of making sure the Jews got a fair shake.

 

[Shusha]

He probably means the U.N. should provide the international supervision.

If it were up to him, he would have put Himmler in charge of making sure the Jews got a fair shake.

Even if the UN were not so terribly biased against Israel, it wouldn't work. The problem is that Gaza needs more than just low-key supervisory military troops. Gaza needs an entirely new administration, new education curriculum, new social services agencies, economic development. And I don't mean just for rebuilding, I mean well into the future.

 

[Failzero]

End this Farce of a Cease Fire Deal

 

[ESay]

Could you clarify what you mean by "economic restrictions"?

Gaza should have unrestricted access by sea and air.

How would international supervision concerning security matters work? Who would take responsibility for ensuring that tunnels were not being rebuilt, that weapons were not being imported, that Gazans were not flying to Iran for training, etc

Arab countries that will to cooperate with Israel. The Gulf monarchies, Jordan, Egypt.

Israel is the only State with a vested interest in ensuring Gaza remains without military capacity. I would suggest that Israel should therefore administer Gaza as a separate province of Israel for the next say, fifty years. In fifty years, Gaza votes for independence or to remain part of Israel

Annexation, in other words? Good luck, with that.

 

[Shusha]

Annexation, in other words? Good luck, with that.

Temporary administrative control on a specific timeline with the people of Gaza making their choice of government in a referendum.

 

[ESay]

Temporary administrative control on a specific timeline with the people of Gaza making their choice of government in a referendum.

Arab countries that will to cooperate with Israel. The Gulf monarchies, Jordan, Egypt.

 

[Shusha]

Arab countries that will to cooperate with Israel. The Gulf monarchies, Jordan, Egypt.

Under Israeli supervision?