One State

[Hollie]

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Article 120
The provisions of this Amended Basic Law may not be amended except by a majority vote of at least two-thirds of the members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law

About the Palestinian Constitution

Changing the Constitution.

According to Al-Hayat, Articles 220 and 222 of the constitution state that the wording of the constitution can be changed at any time: "In the event of a request from the President of the State or from at least one third of the PLC members, any of the constitution's articles can be amended or annulled, as long as it does not constitute a renunciation of any of the rights of the Palestinian people concerning which there is no [statute of] limitations, and as long as it does not harm the foundations of Palestinian society… The amendment must be submitted to a referendum. In the event that the amendment proposal obtains the agreement of a majority of the participants in the referendum, it will be approved and will come into force upon the publication of the referendum results."[49]

Those are merely draft proposals. None of them have finalized.

I'm not surprised. The two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves are not going to share the fortunes to be made from the UNRWA welfare fraud.

Another terrorist card, and criticizing UNWRA put the cherry on top.

That you find facts uncomfortable is merely a reflection of your choosing to remain ignorant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

 

[Hollie]

The Magical Kingdom of Pally'land

Just think, when the Magical Kingdom of Pally'land emerges from the 7th century, the competing Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan are going to embrace secular, democratic ideals. Mahmoud and Khaled are going to take long walks in the park with one another. They will magically endorse the Jooooos as their Partners in Peace™ .

All will be camel's milk and date palms in the Magical Kingdom of Pally'land.

 

[ProudVeteran76]

" Right of Return" is DOA like the " Two State Solution"

 

[aris2chat]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

why then did the "palestinians" leave and the arabs declare war on Israel?

Arab Israelis have rights as Israelis.

 

[montelatici]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

why then did the "palestinians" leave and the arabs declare war on Israel?

Arab Israelis have rights as Israelis.

The Palestinians were forced to leave or they were to be killed by the Jews. The Arab League entered the Arab partition and the International partition to try to prevent the Jews from murdering and evicting the non-Jews. The Arab Leahue never entered what became Israel in 1948. The Jews did enter the Arab partition and evicted the non-Jews or killed them.

“There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

 

[Roudy]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

why then did the "palestinians" leave and the arabs declare war on Israel?

Arab Israelis have rights as Israelis.

The Palestinians were forced to leave or they were to be killed by the Jews. The Arab League entered the Arab partition and the International partition to try to prevent the Jews from murdering and evicting the non-Jews. The Arab Leahue never entered what became Israel in 1948. The Jews did enter the Arab partition and evicted the non-Jews or killed them.

“There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

Bzzzzt wrong again. How many times can you cyber jihadists be wrong in one day?!


Did Arab newspapers in 1948 threaten Palestinians with violence if they didn't leave Israel before the Arabs attacked?

If so, have historians preserved some of these newspapers?

Fact

A plethora of evidence exists demonstrating that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies.

The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit... It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”

Time’s report of the battle for Haifa (May 3, 1948) was similar: “The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by orders of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city... By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.”

Benny Morris, the historian who documented instances where Palestinians were expelled, also found that Arab leaders encouraged their brethren to leave. Starting in December 1947, he said, “Arab officers ordered the complete evacuation of specific villages in certain areas, lest their inhabitants ‘treacherously’ acquiesce in Israeli rule or hamper Arab military deployments.” He concluded, “There can be no exaggerating the importance of these early Arab-initiated evacuations in the demoralization, and eventual exodus, of the remaining rural and urban populations” (Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, MA: Cambridge University Press, 2004, p. 590.)

The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: “Any opposition to this order... is an obstacle to the holy war... and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.” The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of “several dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens more” in April-July 1948. “The invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their way” (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).

Morris also said that in early May units of the Arab Legion ordered the evacuation of all women and children from the town of Beisan. The Arab Liberation Army was also reported to have ordered the evacuation of another village south of Haifa. The departure of the women and children, Morris says, “tended to sap the morale of the menfolk who were left behind to guard the homes and fields, contributing ultimately to the final evacuation of villages. Such two-tier evacuation — women and children first, the men following weeks later — occurred in Qumiya in the Jezreel Valley, among the Awarna bedouin in Haifa Bay and in various other places.”

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

Who gave such orders? Leaders like such as Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, who declared: “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down” (Myron Kaufman, The Coming Destruction of Israel, NY: The American Library Inc., 1970, pp. 26-27).

The Secretary of the Arab League Office in London, Edward Atiyah, wrote in his book, The Arabs: “This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to reenter and retake possession of their country” (Edward Atiyah, The Arabs, London: Penguin Books, 1955, p. 183).

“The refugees were confident their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two,” Monsignor George Hakim, a Greek Orthodox Catholic Bishop of Galilee told the Beirut newspaper, Sada al-Janub (August 16, 1948). “Their leaders had promised them that the Arab Armies would crush the ’Zionist gangs’ very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile.”

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

“The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade,” said Habib Issa in the New York Lebanese paper, Al Hoda (June 8, 1951). “He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down.”

The Arabs’ fear was naturally exacerbated by stories of real and imagined Jewish atrocities following the attack on Deir Yassin. The native population lacked leaders who could calm them; their spokesmen, such as the Arab Higher Committee, were operating from the safety of neighboring states and did more to arouse their fears than to pacify them. Local military leaders were of little or no comfort. In one instance the commander of Arab troops in Safed went to Damascus. The following day, his troops withdrew from the town. When the residents realized they were defenseless, they fled in panic. “As Palestinian military power was swiftly and dramatically crushed, and the Haganah demonstrated almost unchallenged superiority in successive battles,” Benny Morris noted, “Arab morale cracked, giving way to general, blind, panic, or a ‘psychosis of flight,’ as one IDF intelligence report put it” (King Abdallah, My Memoirs Completed, (London: Longman Group, Ltd., 1978), p. xvi; Morris, p. 591).

According to Dr. Walid al-Qamhawi, a former member of the Executive Committee of the PLO, “it was collective fear, moral disintegration and chaos in every field that exiled the Arabs of Tiberias, Haifa and dozens of towns and villages” (Joseph Schechtman, The Refugee in the World, NY: A.S. Barnes and Co., 1963, p. 186).

As panic spread throughout Palestine, the early trickle of refugees became a flood, numbering more than 200,000 by the time the provisional government declared the independence of the State of Israel.

Even Jordan’s King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:

The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue (Yehoshofat Harkabi, Arab Attitudes To Israel, Jerusalem: Israel Universities Press, 1972, p. 364).

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)


Arabs Urged to Flee from Palestine in 1948:

"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem."
-- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949

"Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe."
-- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).


"The Arabs of Haifa fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel."
-- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949

Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo, noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza) have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward Egyptians: "They say 'we know who our enemies are (referring to the Egyptians)', declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come in and take the district over."

 

[Hollie]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

why then did the "palestinians" leave and the arabs declare war on Israel?

Arab Israelis have rights as Israelis.

The Palestinians were forced to leave or they were to be killed by the Jews. The Arab League entered the Arab partition and the International partition to try to prevent the Jews from murdering and evicting the non-Jews. The Arab Leahue never entered what became Israel in 1948. The Jews did enter the Arab partition and evicted the non-Jews or killed them.

“There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

"....though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)."

Well, thanks for the link. If confirms various other sources identifying that the Arab-Moslem invaders did in fact uproot the Arab-Moslem squatters.

 

[Roudy]

Transforming Palestine/Israel into a Single, Secular, Democratic State with Equal Rights for All

why then did the "palestinians" leave and the arabs declare war on Israel?

Arab Israelis have rights as Israelis.

The Palestinians were forced to leave or they were to be killed by the Jews. The Arab League entered the Arab partition and the International partition to try to prevent the Jews from murdering and evicting the non-Jews. The Arab Leahue never entered what became Israel in 1948. The Jews did enter the Arab partition and evicted the non-Jews or killed them.

“There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

"....though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)."

Well, thanks for the link. If confirms various other sources identifying that the Arab-Moslem invaders did in fact uproot the Arab-Moslem squatters.

This is the most telling of all:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

 

[montelatici]

Oh, posting propaganda changes historical fact. Good one Ruddy. You never learn.

 

[P F Tinmore]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

 

[rylah]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

And where did the Hashemite kings establish Jordan?

 

[montelatici]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

And where did the Hashemite kings establish Jordan?

In Trans-Jordania, formerly part of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, ruled by the Hashemites until it fell to the French forces that conquered Damascus. Not geographically or politically part of Palestine.

 

[rylah]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

And where did the Hashemite kings establish Jordan?

In Trans-Jordania, formerly part of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, ruled by the Hashemites until it fell to the French forces that conquered Damascus. Not geographically or politically part of Palestine.

Sure it is, and Palestinian Arabs are officially self-proclaimed Syrians.

 

[montelatici]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

And where did the Hashemite kings establish Jordan?

In Trans-Jordania, formerly part of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, ruled by the Hashemites until it fell to the French forces that conquered Damascus. Not geographically or politically part of Palestine.

Sure it is, and Palestinian Arabs are officially self-proclaimed Syrians.

What does a Hasbara propaganda map drawn in 2005 have to do with reality? The Palestine Mandate was applied to Trans-Jordanis, it was never part of Palestine. As per article 25 below.

 

[rylah]

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny

"Entered Palestine." Indeed.

And where did the Hashemite kings establish Jordan?

In Trans-Jordania, formerly part of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, ruled by the Hashemites until it fell to the French forces that conquered Damascus. Not geographically or politically part of Palestine.

Sure it is, and Palestinian Arabs are officially self-proclaimed Syrians.

What does a Hasbara propaganda map drawn in 2005 have to do with reality? The Palestine Mandate was applied to Trans-Jordanis, it was never part of Palestine. As per article 25 below.

You jumped 2 years. I'm talking about the time before Jordan was created.

"The text of the British Mandate for Palestine included an article (no. 25) which aimed to redraw de facto the map of the Jewish National Home to be established in Palestine."

Palestinian Conflict in Ten Maps

 

[Indeependent]

The rule is that when Monty pulls a map out of HIS ass, it's a GOOD map.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

Watched this revisionist historian.
I was looking for information to open a conversation...all he got were the usual sound-bites with no back up. So many strawman arguments,outright lies and baseless slogans - that it's ridiculous.

Take for example the bogus strawman about "Israeli leftists who want to settle in Judea Samaria" - it's beyond ridiculous! Then I realized he was aiming at either:
1. People who're easily manipulated by big words and emotions.
2. Those who have solidified their opinions towards the Arab side of the conflict - those who
merely want reassurance.
3. Those who think Haaretz is a leading Israeli newspaper - basically those who have no actual experience, or knowledge of the Israeli society beyond what they see on TV.

University of Haifa has always been more about ideology than academic study.
I've heard great historians talk, he doesn't sound like one. He sounds like the $$$ is talking.

 

[Indeependent]

If Pappe Smear was an Arab he'd be dead.