I agree with you, as you know I'm always saying that the establishment controls both parties. My point was simply that voters who knowingly accept lies and liars share the blame and end up getting the government they deserve. You're talking about the system overall, which is kinda a different topic. But yeah, I agree especially when it comes to the presidency, that no one gets to the Oval Office without already being in the club. Which is why it's astonishing to me that so many people still trust the system and believe that we have presidents who are true patriots who care about America and the people. Gosh, we sound so cynical, huh. lol But it's the world we live in.